I refuse to buy an Apple Silicon Mac with only 8 GB RAM!

[pastrychef]

Still 6 years of support. They can't support every Mac for ever. Maybe we don't like but it's how it works. My 2012 15" retina MacBook Pro is still supported until the release of Ventura. That's 10 years. Some get 6 others a little more and others a lot more. It depends on the "lines" Apple traces on the sand. I don't know the reason but that's how it is.

I'm not complaining. I'm arguing against the belief that any Intel Mac will be supported until 2029 or 2030.

Officially, 2012 MacBook Pros only got up to Catalina which was released in 2019. It didn't get Big Sur or Monterey.

 

[russell_314]

But a company that cares more about users than shareholders is probably a company without shareholders.

Like, why would you buy shares if ever-increasing profits aren't the main objective?

This idea that ___ company only cares about profit drives me crazy... Profit is the objective of any company. The driving force behind that is sales. People buy stuff they like so that makes the company profit. Everyone wins!

When it comes to Apple products I think Apple is mostly to blame for this idea. As part of their marketing they say they care about lots of things and that's understandable because they want to sell stuff. They look at their target audience and think "What do they want" and if for example that's environmentally friendly products then Tim starts talking and doing things that are in that direction. It's the free market. Sure it might be motivated by money but the outcome is good. If another company were to do something that is better in that direction consumers will go for that. This is what keeps companies making products to meet consumer needs.

 

[slippery-pete]

I'm aware that 8 GB RAM as of now fits most people's needs. And that the Si/ARM SoC technology isn't as RAM dependent as x86.

But macs are so expensive that I want them to last for regular use for a very long time. We know nothing of that now.

I have had my 2012 mini since 2013 and it works just fine. But, then, I installed 16 GB RAM immediately, and feel secure with that. 8 GB RAM for the future, not upgradeble, no way.

If the entry level gets 16 GB of RAM, and today's prices continue, I'll buy one. But not otherwise.

What do you think?

Cool story and appreciate your announcement

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

i don't think that this is any proof at all, unless each screen capture is taken from one native intel and ARM machine respectively with otherwise same environments (same OS, same amount of RAM)
Otherwise you are more likely to see an increased memory footprint just because those are wrapped, non native apps.

ARM macs actually have less RAM available, since they use shared memory and don't have the additional GBs of the dedicated graphics chips that were used in the intel era.
this has some performance benefits for people who are heavily into 3D graphics (gamers, 3D rendering artists...), but for most other use cases you will simply end up having slightly less RAM available, since the graphics RAM required for buffering and screen display will have to come from the only pool of RAM available, the system memory.

and a (hopefully) efficient memory allocation is usually done by software (the OS).

True, but the use is more efficient and Macs such a the MBP 13”, MBA, and Mac Mini had intergraded graphics before,

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

True, but the use is more efficient and Macs such a the MBP 13”, MBA, and Mac Mini had intergraded graphics before,

Also true I shouldve compare it against an Intel Mac

 

[Tagbert]

Well, in the example given, the lifespan of his SSD dropped to 48% after 18 months. If we extrapolate it, the SSD will be dead in 3 years. Whether or not you find that acceptable is up to you.

Get back to us in 18 months to let us know if that SSD actually did die. I’ve seen that long long thread about SSD use and there is so much misinformation, bad measurements, questionable assumptions, and speculation there that it is impossible to use it as any kind of guide.

 

[RealNik]

What's the point of your thread? Apple offers 16GB of RAM option but you don't want to pay for it, so you're not buying anything until it's 16GB of RAM base...but what you're really saying is you don't want to pay up for the base MacBook Pro with 16GB of RAM. If you really need 16GB of RAM but don't want the MacBook Pro then pay the $200 extra in the Air or iMac or whatever.

I think the OP is suffering from Heat stroke atm

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

Well, in the example given, the lifespan of his SSD dropped to 48% after 18 months. If we extrapolate it, the SSD will be dead in 3 years. Whether or not you find that acceptable is up to you.

Yes this is theoretical

 

[russell_314]

I think the OP is suffering from Heat stroke atm

Maybe overheating from using an Intel MacBook? Those things would get pretty warm!

 

[pastrychef]

Get back to us in 18 months to let us know if that SSD actually did die. I’ve seen that long long thread about SSD use and there is so much misinformation, bad measurements, questionable assumptions, and speculation there that it is impossible to use it as any kind of guide.

It's not my SSD. You'll have to ask the owner.

I left a link to the original post. You can contact him there.

 

[pastrychef]

Yes this is theoretical

48% is reported by SMART. Nothing theoretical about that. It's fact.

 

[brilliantthings]

I refused to buy a new M1 MacBook Air with 8gb RAM. So I bought a second-hand one with 16gb RAM.

 

[jahall05]

If your needs require more than 8GB of RAM then buy a model with more. I’m guessing Apple did their research and found most users can use 8GB, especially on M1/2 with memory swap.

One day 16 will be the starting point and someone will post how 32 should be

 

[AlixSPQR]

Nice to see my OP being liked or loved by more than three-quarters! Great! 👍🏻❤️

 

[cocoua]

I'm aware that 8 GB RAM as of now fits most people's needs. And that the Si/ARM SoC technology isn't as RAM dependent as x86.

But macs are so expensive that I want them to last for regular use for a very long time. We know nothing of that now.

I have had my 2012 mini since 2013 and it works just fine. But, then, I installed 16 GB RAM immediately, and feel secure with that. 8 GB RAM for the future, not upgradeble, no way.

If the entry level gets 16 GB of RAM, and today's prices continue, I'll buy one. But not otherwise.

What do you think?

I have a Mc Studio with 32GV of Ram, my previous mac had 16gb and was “fine” but kind if short for editing video.
Well I see Final Cut eating easily 40GB ram so my brand new system is already short of ram. the SSD is half full (1TB) so it still fast enough but FC lags time to time I guess swapping ram.

So yes, 8Gb is unveilable shirt for a computer even with just Mail and Texedit opened

 

[jwolf6589]

I'm aware that 8 GB RAM as of now fits most people's needs. And that the Si/ARM SoC technology isn't as RAM dependent as x86.

But macs are so expensive that I want them to last for regular use for a very long time. We know nothing of that now.

I have had my 2012 mini since 2013 and it works just fine. But, then, I installed 16 GB RAM immediately, and feel secure with that. 8 GB RAM for the future, not upgradeble, no way.

If the entry level gets 16 GB of RAM, and today's prices continue, I'll buy one. But not otherwise.

What do you think?

In 2020 I bought my MacBook Pro with 16GB of Ram. I probably could have gotten by with 8GB but since I wanted my Mac to last a long time I did 16GB. You don’t want 8GBs? Then don’t buy one. Nuff said.

 

[jwolf6589]

I have a Mc Studio with 32GV of Ram, my previous mac had 16gb and was “fine” but kind if short for editing video.
Well I see Final Cut eating easily 40GB ram so my brand new system is already short of ram. the SSD is half full (1TB) so it still fast enough but FC lags time to time I guess swapping ram.

So yes, 8Gb is unveilable shirt for a computer even with just Mail and Texedit opened

Most people don’t edit video. So 8GB is fine for many.

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

48% is reported by SMART. Nothing theoretical about that. It's fact.

SMART just says verified or failing

 

[jwolf6589]

Maybe overheating from using an Intel MacBook? Those things would get pretty warm!

Not nearly as warm as Intel laptops did many years ago.

 

[pastrychef]

SMART just says verified or failing

Try with DriveDX or SMART Utility.

If you don't believe SSDs wear out over time, that's fine. Believe whatever you like.

 

[Tagbert]

Nice to see my OP being liked or loved by more than three-quarters! Great! 👍🏻❤️

It looks like 1/3 of those responses are just laughing. As are most of the posts on this thread.

 

[rgwebb]

Nice to see my OP being liked or loved by more than three-quarters! Great! 👍🏻❤️

Oh, so you just made this to troll all along. Good to know!

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

48% is reported by SMART. Nothing theoretical about that. It's fact.

Try with DriveDX or SMART Utility.

If you don't believe SSDs wear out over time, that's fine. Believe whatever you like.

I don’t deny SSDs wear out. I just deny that 500 GB a day is normal use

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

I don’t deny SSDs wear out. I just deny that 500 GB a day is normal use

You’re just making up things I’m saying, so I sound like an idiot

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

You’re just making up things I’m saying, so I sound like an idiot

I’ve killed an SSD myself