Yes for me too, i love how lumafusion works on the larger mini-led display
For OP even the cheapest ipad would have been enough
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iPad Pro I returned my M1 iPad Pro 12.9" 2TB
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For OP even the cheapest ipad would have been enough
So the iPad is just an entertainment and media consumption device for you. Same here. I’ll probably buy a gently used 2020 iPad Pro 11” 1TB to replace my iPad Pro 10.5” 512GB (also bought gently used in 2018)
I had tried out the 1TB iPad Pro 11” last November. Even at $1199 on Black Friday, I felt it was substantially over priced for what it can and can not do. $700-$900 is fine, but once you start spending over $1000 on an iPad, I start to have second thoughts about how it’s a terrible value. I don’t consider myself a professional or a power user, but the REAL multitasking, the ability to have multiple windows open, the ability to have a real file system that doesn’t crash like the Files.app does is huge for me.
Unless you absoutely need 2TB, i would suggest downgrading to 512 to 256 and use the saved money for Magic Keyboard. This will solve your issue #1. Honestly it's now hard for me to imagine using iPad without MK, it's that good.
Replaced my 2018 11" pro with new 12.9. Loving it and never looking back.
I think the problem here is the pricing on the iPad Pro. Like the OP said, the Macbook Air M1 is cheaper. If it cost less I bet he wouldn't have returned it. People's expectations go up in proportion to price of an item/service. It's a double edged sword (people can think the most expensive plumber is best when they're not, or like the OP, see an item as not worth the price). It's the same with a person's salary - they're willing to put up with more stress/junk at their job depending on pay. Businesses have to walk a fine line with this in their pricing strategy (and employers with compensation strategies) but here Apple clearly failed.
That's your lesson for today! (LOL Sorry, I'm a prof. in real life..)
That's your lesson for today! (LOL Sorry, I'm a prof. in real life..)
I have an Air M1 also. The screen on the M1 iPad is much better, so I switch using them on and off.
They have their plusses and minuses. I was doing this with the 2018 iPad, for the same reason. Nice to have both
Btw, I have a Windows machine and an Android tablet. I'm into this stuff
They have their plusses and minuses. I was doing this with the 2018 iPad, for the same reason. Nice to have both
Btw, I have a Windows machine and an Android tablet. I'm into this stuff
I'm certainly not a power user but I can see a lot of folks going for the 12.9" simply because of the screen. If someone streams a lot of video and doesn't mind the size, the 12.9" simply provides a much better viewing experience. And compared to the Air 4, which has more than enough processing power for the vast majority of users, an 11" Pro offers a better screen and better speakers. Hard for me to envision a need for 2TB unless someone is doing extensive video editing. I've had lots of video (multiple seasons of shows plus numerous movies) downloaded on my iPad when traveling but I've never gone past 128gb. 256gb seems more than sufficient for mere mortals.
I love my 12.9” 256gb 2021 iPad. I have no issues with weight, or anything like it. I have been using 12.9” screen since I bought my 256gb 1st gen one in spring of 2016. And that one weighed more, and actual tablet size was bigger than the new one. Also camera is a huge upgrade from old to new, screen quality, faster chip, more ram.
Yes the iPad is expensive, but just about everything gets more expensive these days. The iPhones are reaching up to similar pricing as these iPad pros for the bigger screen sizes. The justification of the cost of iPad to me is this: I use the iPad every single day whether I am home, or at family visiting, or going to a restaurant. I dont upgrade every year on technology, as there really is no point throwing money away just to have the latest snd greatest. My next technology update is going to be my iMac later in the next year or two. I am currently using the 2013 refurbished iMac mostly for gaming. My iphone is the iPhone XS Max which should be good for another 3-5 years.
Yes the iPad is expensive, but just about everything gets more expensive these days. The iPhones are reaching up to similar pricing as these iPad pros for the bigger screen sizes. The justification of the cost of iPad to me is this: I use the iPad every single day whether I am home, or at family visiting, or going to a restaurant. I dont upgrade every year on technology, as there really is no point throwing money away just to have the latest snd greatest. My next technology update is going to be my iMac later in the next year or two. I am currently using the 2013 refurbished iMac mostly for gaming. My iphone is the iPhone XS Max which should be good for another 3-5 years.
iPadOS is absolutely fine for these things. What’s the problem?
I find Split Screen far more useable on the 12.9” screen. I’ve owned both sizes.
I have a 12.9 2020 and I gotta say I hardly use it. I had an iPad Air before and I hardly used that either.
one thing that helped me use it for a time is a gooseneck floor stand next to the couch. I used it for duolingo, but truth be told, even that’s better on my iPhone mini.
maybe I just don’t need a big screen? I see obvious advantages when it comes to multiple windows, but the beauty of iOS IMO is the single focus of the ux into your current app, so… I do almost everything on my iPhone mini, except I use my iMac for office or iWork apps, and my tv for watching videos.
maybe one day apple will figure out how to get me to love my iPad, but right now it’s just a cool toy I sometimes remember exists.
one thing that helped me use it for a time is a gooseneck floor stand next to the couch. I used it for duolingo, but truth be told, even that’s better on my iPhone mini.
maybe I just don’t need a big screen? I see obvious advantages when it comes to multiple windows, but the beauty of iOS IMO is the single focus of the ux into your current app, so… I do almost everything on my iPhone mini, except I use my iMac for office or iWork apps, and my tv for watching videos.
maybe one day apple will figure out how to get me to love my iPad, but right now it’s just a cool toy I sometimes remember exists.
People have been saying that stuff about the iPad being a big phone for years. It's not. It's the only tablet OS that actually *doesn't* feel like a blown up phone experience (Android) OR a desktop OS with terrible touch support (Windows). People have also been complaining about iPadOS not being enough like macOS forever too and it's silly.
There are plenty of things you can do on iPad you cannot do on iPhone, plenty of iPad-specific features you can't find on iPhone, etc. And running macOS would not be smart. 1, it hurts Apple's Mac sales and I wouldn't want that for Apple nor does Apple want that for themselves. I want them to thrive. And 2, it isn't near as optimized for the iPad. Sure you could just use a mouse or trackpad and keyboard, but if you want to incorporate touch it isn't as fluid as you'd expect.
There is a reason Apple put a rounded pointer on the iPad when they introduced mouse/trackpad support. They did NOT want anyone getting any funny ideas about this being another laptop experience. They wanted to keep that distance. That's not what iPad is for. It can replace your laptop for some people, if you realize you will go about the same tasks in a different way and have to make changes to your workflow to adapt to a different OS. Otherwise you end up with a 2in1 convertible and those are atrocious! At that point you might as well give up touch and just get a light laptop. But if you don't like this that does not mean the iPad Pro is in any way handicapped or overpowered. It just means you can't wrap your head around a different way of doing things and are expecting a touchscreen foldable MacBook Air.
Touch does not belong on Macs either, BTW! Who wants to hold their hands mid air to touch the screen or have to keep their arms elevated?! Apple is right, it's not natural. Especially on an all-in-one! It reminds me of those people at concerts holding their hands above their head in unison for a 5 minute song. It's just exhausting for me to think about! I spend enough time doing that just trying to shampoo my hair in the shower and that's enough of that crap for me.
It sounds like OP just found out they prefer a traditional Mac non-touch experience. Congrats to them on finding the device that works for them, but it doesn't reflect poorly on the iPad Pro at all and it's important for OP to realize that!
There are plenty of things you can do on iPad you cannot do on iPhone, plenty of iPad-specific features you can't find on iPhone, etc. And running macOS would not be smart. 1, it hurts Apple's Mac sales and I wouldn't want that for Apple nor does Apple want that for themselves. I want them to thrive. And 2, it isn't near as optimized for the iPad. Sure you could just use a mouse or trackpad and keyboard, but if you want to incorporate touch it isn't as fluid as you'd expect.
There is a reason Apple put a rounded pointer on the iPad when they introduced mouse/trackpad support. They did NOT want anyone getting any funny ideas about this being another laptop experience. They wanted to keep that distance. That's not what iPad is for. It can replace your laptop for some people, if you realize you will go about the same tasks in a different way and have to make changes to your workflow to adapt to a different OS. Otherwise you end up with a 2in1 convertible and those are atrocious! At that point you might as well give up touch and just get a light laptop. But if you don't like this that does not mean the iPad Pro is in any way handicapped or overpowered. It just means you can't wrap your head around a different way of doing things and are expecting a touchscreen foldable MacBook Air.
Touch does not belong on Macs either, BTW! Who wants to hold their hands mid air to touch the screen or have to keep their arms elevated?! Apple is right, it's not natural. Especially on an all-in-one! It reminds me of those people at concerts holding their hands above their head in unison for a 5 minute song. It's just exhausting for me to think about! I spend enough time doing that just trying to shampoo my hair in the shower and that's enough of that crap for me.
It sounds like OP just found out they prefer a traditional Mac non-touch experience. Congrats to them on finding the device that works for them, but it doesn't reflect poorly on the iPad Pro at all and it's important for OP to realize that!
I think the 12.9 for me will always be perfect because I draw on my iPad...once you put a few toolbars on the display, I want ever bit of space I can get for my canvas.
This. I use my iPhone less than hour a day. I use my iPad Pro 12.9 up to 8 hours a day. I have not needed to use my old PC once in the year I’ve had my IPP.
Guessing here.. maybe those professionals that use it to make a living? We have a discussion on those users on the same board somewhere for a good read.
Wait for this?
Next iPad Pro to Feature Both Wireless Charging and Reverse Wireless Charging Capabilities
Apple is developing a new iPad Pro that will feature wireless charging capabilities, reports Bloomberg. The upcoming iPad Pro will debut in 2022,...www.macrumors.com
Wait for this?Why would anyone want this rather slow charging option?
Heres my two sense. I really wanted to get me an 2021 Ipad Pro 12.9. But after WWDC i cant think of a single reason outside of really just showing off.
It will never replace an M1 Laptop...and with the rumored new Ipad Mini coming out...id get that hands down way before i ever spent the $1577 with keyboard and pencil to get the most out of it (128 gigs and wifi is good enough for me) when id be spending way less to get a full fledge m1 laptop that does more.
It just makes absolutely no sense RIGHT NOW for the next year to spend that kind of money on a device that cant do what a cheeper dedicated laptop can do!
I get you lose pencil and touch screen support, but honestly how is this a PRO device if you cant run PRO apps on it!
Apple really nurffed their own product here and its frankly really stupid of them to do so. They did it, simply because they dont want the pros canibalizing there macbook sales, (Which is really stupid because with the keyboard and then penic it cost MORE then a macbook).
If i were you and just needed an ipad, i wouldn't spend anymore then the cost of the new airs (even though i really hate that fingerprint sensor. it just makes no sense to me to put it there, hopefully the mini's fingerprint sensor will have a better placement)
Also...i keep hearing about distracting backlight bleed from the panel too which is a shame too.
Look, apples hardware and software are on two totally different pages lately. Every single one agrees on this. They play catchup with other software devices and act like they are the ones who invented the damn things!
They lack vision to be honest as of late. Tim cook is a great manager, sure but he is not the visionary steve jobs was and the fact that your own software limits the power of your own hardware is proof of this. Had steve been alive, i can promise you the ipad pro would be a genuine pro device instead of a higher tier price bracket!
It will never replace an M1 Laptop...and with the rumored new Ipad Mini coming out...id get that hands down way before i ever spent the $1577 with keyboard and pencil to get the most out of it (128 gigs and wifi is good enough for me) when id be spending way less to get a full fledge m1 laptop that does more.
It just makes absolutely no sense RIGHT NOW for the next year to spend that kind of money on a device that cant do what a cheeper dedicated laptop can do!
I get you lose pencil and touch screen support, but honestly how is this a PRO device if you cant run PRO apps on it!
Apple really nurffed their own product here and its frankly really stupid of them to do so. They did it, simply because they dont want the pros canibalizing there macbook sales, (Which is really stupid because with the keyboard and then penic it cost MORE then a macbook).
If i were you and just needed an ipad, i wouldn't spend anymore then the cost of the new airs (even though i really hate that fingerprint sensor. it just makes no sense to me to put it there, hopefully the mini's fingerprint sensor will have a better placement)
Also...i keep hearing about distracting backlight bleed from the panel too which is a shame too.
Look, apples hardware and software are on two totally different pages lately. Every single one agrees on this. They play catchup with other software devices and act like they are the ones who invented the damn things!
They lack vision to be honest as of late. Tim cook is a great manager, sure but he is not the visionary steve jobs was and the fact that your own software limits the power of your own hardware is proof of this. Had steve been alive, i can promise you the ipad pro would be a genuine pro device instead of a higher tier price bracket!
I got the 12.9 with the folio cover to me that’s a perfect combination. So light! Yes not as fancy as the magic keyboard but very very good!
How do you use an iPad then? When it’s in my lap while I’m sitting down my arm keeps my hand hovering over it. That’s how I interact with it. When I’m laying on a couch, same thing, I have to lift my arm up to touch the vertical positioned screen. It’s the same effort to interact with it if it was a Mac with a touch screen. It does get tiring over time and that’s why when laying down I’ll use my MacBook Pro if I’m going to be interacting with it. Movies are fine since I can rest my arm while watching.
I’ve also found when trying out the Touch Bar MacBook Pro that I have to move my hands slightly to reach and interact with the Touch Bar.
Using Apple’s (and your) logic, the Touch Bar is very unnatural as well.
I don’t want full blown macOS on the iPad, I just wish iPadOS was more capable. They’ve already brought features from the Mac to the iPad (and vice-versa) with out combining them.
People claim that Apple doesn’t want to hurt Mac sales. That excuse is ullshit. Steve Jobs always said that Apple wasn’t afraid of a device cannibalizing another device. Look at what happened to the iPod once the iPhone took off.
As an editor, I’d love to try LumaFusion, but the iPad still doesn’t support ProRes media, which is absurd because it’s Apple’s own codec. But that perfectly encapsulates how ambivalent Apple is about the “pro” in iPad Pro.
I think the problem is they don’t do a non-Pro 12.9 inch. I (and others it seems) want the large screen, but I don’t need the power of the Pro chip, or any of that multiple camera, LiDAR nonsense.
Obviously Apple have calculated that they’ll make more money from people who’ll buy more iPad than they really want, than they would if they sold a cheaper iPad to meet those people’s requirements.
Obviously Apple have calculated that they’ll make more money from people who’ll buy more iPad than they really want, than they would if they sold a cheaper iPad to meet those people’s requirements.
The 12.9" model is for anyone who wants it, even if said person isn't a "creative professional."
Apple doesn't pigeon-hole their products to only a certain set of people and neither should you. That is how the whole "pro" rhetoric got started on here and elsewhere, with people making the same kind of unfounded comment you did and then trying to hold Apple to some mythical product status.
If I had a 2018 12.9, I’d stick with that for a couple more years.