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jeremiah256

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I have to be honest here, but I'm finding it really hard to find things that my M1 1TB 12.9" model does significantly faster than my wife's 2020 model. And by siginifcantly I mean really noticeably faster. Its honestly amazing how good the A12z chip already was. It's not as a significant upgrade as I thought it would be.
And that is a valid, logical point that everyone can understand.

But saying an iPad Pro 12.9” is just a more expensive, bigger iPhone, is like saying a Lincoln Navigator is just a larger, more expensive Mini Cooper. Yes, but really, no.
 

DMG35

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And that is a valid, logical point that everyone can understand.

But saying an iPad Pro 12.9” is just a more expensive, bigger iPhone, is like saying a Lincoln Navigator is just a larger, more expensive Mini Cooper. Yes, but really, no.
Agreed.
 
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AxiomaticRubric

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I think what annoys the fans of the device the most is the fact it COULD be an absolutely amazing device but Apple chooses to restrict it time and time again, and people have just given it a last straw now.

To be fair, I appreciate that we will be able to make iOS and iPad apps in iPadOS 15. But it’s just too little, too late. PROs need a complete file system and a non-sandboxed Unix terminal. I should be able to create command-line applications and run them *on the iPad*. I should be able to run Swift scripts and background services *on the iPad*.

Universal mode is a nice gimmick but it won’t make me go out and buy a new iPad just to swap files between operating systems.

The traditional sandboxed walls of iOS don’t translate well for the iPad when it’s just begging to be used in Mac-like ways. I can definitely understand the frustration but I will always offer the same advice: Just get a Mac.
 

PrettyWings

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To each their own...

But I have to say, reason 4 (I already have an M1 Air which is worlds ahead of this iPad due to MacOS) is like saying "I have a lawnmower, so I don't need a snow blower. Two completely different tools for two different jobs.

What is the job for the Pro? Just looking to see where you’re going with this.
 

mdhaus72

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I have to be honest here, but I'm finding it really hard to find things that my M1 1TB 12.9" model does significantly faster than my wife's 2020 model. And by siginifcantly I mean really noticeably faster. Its honestly amazing how good the A12z chip already was. It's not as a significant upgrade as I thought it would be.
How would you or anyone know?

Hardly anything at all has been optimized yet for the M1 chip. This model has only been out a few weeks, the first major OS update to provide some benefit has not been officially released yet and it's entirely reasonable to assume that the feature-set will continue to adjust and grow. There is no reason to believe that the ability of this device won't continue to grow.
 
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PrettyWings

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How would you or anyone know?

Hardly anything at all has been optimized yet for the M1 chip. This model has only been out a few weeks, the first major OS update to provide some benefit has not been officially released yet and it's entirely reasonable to assume that the feature-set will continue to adjust and grow. There is no reason to believe that the ability of this device won't continue to grow.

What do you expect to happen?
 

mdhaus72

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To be fair, I appreciate that we will be able to make iOS and iPad apps in iPadOS 15. But it’s just too little, too late. PROs need a complete file system and a non-sandboxed Unix terminal. I should be able to create command-line applications and run them *on the iPad*. I should be able to run Swift scripts and background services *on the iPad*.

Universal mode is a nice gimmick but it won’t make me go out and buy a new iPad just to swap files between operating systems.

The traditional sandboxed walls of iOS don’t translate well for the iPad when it’s just begging to be used in Mac-like ways. I can definitely understand the frustration but I will always offer the same advice: Just get a Mac.
Please explain why the iPad Pros need to be able to do any of that.

Apple has made it very clear that iPads are NOT DESIGNED TO BE MACS! Further, why would Apple purposely murder their very own laptop line? LOL....Come on.

You also speak as if the Macs have all of the latest tech of the new iPad Pros...which they don't! For example, the screen of the new 12.9 runs circles around the current MacBooks (which is a huge difference for media consumption), the cameras are much better on the iPad, and especially if someone is a graphic artist, the iPad is the superior choice for them as well.
 

BanjoDudeAhoy

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Since I’ve now read several posts to that effect - People think they “need” an iPad Pro for… media consumption and browsing the web?
To each their own, of course, but that strikes me as a lot of money for what you could just as well do on a device half the price.
Even if you factor in that web pages are getting more complex over time, that seems a bit overkill.

Then again, I’m the sort of person that buys according to what I need to get a specific task done (or just a little higher to make sure I don’t have to buy again next year) and not according to what I can afford.
 

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Since I’ve now read several posts to that effect - People think they “need” an iPad Pro for… media consumption and browsing the web?
To each their own, of course, but that strikes me as a lot of money for what you could just as well do on a device half the price.
Even if you factor in that web pages are getting more complex over time, that seems a bit overkill.

Then again, I’m the sort of person that buys according to what I need to get a specific task done (or just a little higher to make sure I don’t have to buy again next year) and not according to what I can afford.
Is there a 12.9” iPad at half the price?
 
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iPadified

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On the matter of size. My wife and youngest kid bought 10.5 inch instead of 12.9 (that me and my two older kids did). Enter school work, with books and split view for note taking. The 10.5 inch is suddenly too small! My wife bought a 12.9 inch which she now uses 95% of the time. My youngest need to buy an 12.9 inch to be able to see the text book and take note on the same device. My daughters are small (Asian origin, 42-45 kg) and have never ever complained about the size of the 12.9 inch.

This thread is the same as usual, we are prefer what we are used to and it takes time to relearn.
 
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AppleTO

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Devs can’t really make anything specifically for the M1 iPad Pros. For example, pretty much every app submitted must also be able to run acceptably on an iPad Air 2 (thanks to the fact that they support iOS 15), or it may be rejected from the store.

There are a few exceptions for functions like AR and LiDAR.

Until this limitation is removed, I don’t see how anything specifically optimized for the new iPad Pros could be released.
 
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Devs can’t really make anything specifically for the M1 iPad Pros. For example, pretty much every app submitted must also be able to run acceptably on an iPad Air 2 (thanks to the fact that they support iOS 15), or it may be rejected from the store.

There are a few exceptions for functions like AR and LiDAR.

Until this limitation is removed, I don’t see how anything specifically optimized for the new iPad Pros could be released.
Are you sure it is rejected if not supporting Air 2? I can see that the developer want to address as large market as possible so including everything from Air 2 and up give more opportunities. This is part of the problem. The A chip performance increase has been exponential and because of that apps needs to span a large performance range of hardware and still be usable. This sets the limit for pro "apps" for iPad but it will be better.
 

PlayUltimate

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At the end of the day, I feel bad for people who either have a 12.9” and love theirs, or are interested in the 12.9” and could’ve really enjoyed it but because of posts like this, are now skewed away.

I, for one, love my 12.9” and always reach for my iPad in which an iPhone can do the same. The added bonus is that I can do real work on my 12.9” that my iPhone struggles.
Agree. Have a 2020 iPad 12.9 and I use it constantly. Only use the phone if I am standing in line or something similar.
 
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GuruZac

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I’ve decided mine is being returned due to the defect it has and going to get a full refund instead and will pick Up the 11 inch instead
What happened to your 12.9? You still have your Air? I’m glad I went the M1 Air route and kept my 2018 12.9. I think next year I’ll upgrade to the next iPad Pro.
 

rui no onna

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Devs can’t really make anything specifically for the M1 iPad Pros. For example, pretty much every app submitted must also be able to run acceptably on an iPad Air 2 (thanks to the fact that they support iOS 15), or it may be rejected from the store.

There are a few exceptions for functions like AR and LiDAR.

Until this limitation is removed, I don’t see how anything specifically optimized for the new iPad Pros could be released.

Official App Store minimum for Divinity requires A12 or newer. You can't even buy it on a 2017 iPad Pro A10X.

Even then, the app won't run on A12-only devices such as the Air 3. GPU required is at least A12X/Z or A14.


Since I’ve now read several posts to that effect - People think they “need” an iPad Pro for… media consumption and browsing the web?
To each their own, of course, but that strikes me as a lot of money for what you could just as well do on a device half the price.
Even if you factor in that web pages are getting more complex over time, that seems a bit overkill.

Then again, I’m the sort of person that buys according to what I need to get a specific task done (or just a little higher to make sure I don’t have to buy again next year) and not according to what I can afford.

iPad Pro is the only option if I want 1TB storage.

I once spent more than 12.9 2TB 5G money over a 2-year span on Android and Windows tablets but they all kinda sucked. After that experiment on trying to save money which ended up costing a lot more in the long run, I decided to just stick with iPads and pay the exorbitant storage upgrade costs.

To me, it boils down to use. I use the iPad the most out of all my devices so it's where I want the least compromise.

Over a 5 year span:

$880 Air 4 256GB LTE / 6 hrs * 180 days * 5 years = $0.12/hr
$1700 Pro 11" 1TB 5G / 6 hrs * 180 days * 5 years = $0.24/hr
$2000 Pro 12.9" 1TB 5G / 8 hrs * 260 days * 5 years = $0.19/hr
$1250 MacBook Air 8/512GB / 4 hrs * 4 days * 5 years = $15.63/hr
$350 iPhone SE2 256GB LTE / 2 hrs * 52 weeks * 5 years = $0.67/hr
 
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The Game 161

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What happened to your 12.9? You still have your Air? I’m glad I went the M1 Air route and kept my 2018 12.9. I think next year I’ll upgrade to the next iPad Pro.
This is what happened. Even after a reset.

still got my mac yeah. The wait here for a new 12.9 is like two months so will go for 11 inch I think

 

Zdigital2015

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Devs can’t really make anything specifically for the M1 iPad Pros. For example, pretty much every app submitted must also be able to run acceptably on an iPad Air 2 (thanks to the fact that they support iOS 15), or it may be rejected from the store.

There are a few exceptions for functions like AR and LiDAR.

Until this limitation is removed, I don’t see how anything specifically optimized for the new iPad Pros could be released.
The only developer that has created or “restricted”, enhanced, what have you, to the M1 iPad Pro is Filmic Pro. I suspect that some of the more “Pro” apps in the iPadOS catalog will gain M1 only features in the coming months, but even those Pro apps need to reach the widest possible audience in order to stay relevant. I don’t see iOS 15 changing the status quo much nor the M1 iPad Pro being exploited to its full potential. It’s becoming less relevant to most people now that the M1 powered Macs are on the scene.
 
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