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sparksd

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That actually looks quite useful for some occasions.

Dual use. Cigars, cigarette, tiparillos?

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cupcakes2000

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True…. But I at least get MacOS ?
Not sure it’s overly comparable, an xp pen display verses a complete mobile device… especially in the context of the op- but for what it’s worth you can use an iPad as a graphics tablet too, and therefore ‘get macOS’.
 

akdj

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So the iPad is just an entertainment and media consumption device for you. Same here. I’ll probably buy a gently used 2020 iPad Pro 11” 1TB to replace my iPad Pro 10.5” 512GB (also bought gently used in 2018)

I had tried out the 1TB iPad Pro 11” last November. Even at $1199 on Black Friday, I felt it was substantially over priced for what it can and can not do. $700-$900 is fine, but once you start spending over $1000 on an iPad, I start to have second thoughts about how it’s a terrible value. I don’t consider myself a professional or a power user, but the REAL multitasking, the ability to have multiple windows open, the ability to have a real file system that doesn’t crash like the Files.app does is huge for me.

Files app doesn’t crash!?
How much did you pay for your iPhone?

Build an M1 ‘Mac’ up with 1TB & 16GB of RAM (without 5G or GPS, touch pencil or the insane transportability of iPad) and the prices are very close to even.


It just makes absolutely no sense RIGHT NOW for the next year to spend that kind of money on a device that cant do what a cheeper dedicated laptop can do!

I get you lose pencil and touch screen support, but honestly how is this a PRO device if you cant run PRO apps on it!

Apple really nurffed their own product here and its frankly really stupid of them to do so. They did it, simply because they dont want the pros canibalizing there macbook sales, (Which is really stupid because with the keyboard and then penic it cost MORE then a macbook).

If i were you and just needed an ipad, i wouldn't spend anymore then the cost of the new airs (even though i really hate that fingerprint sensor. it just makes no sense to me to put it there, hopefully the mini's fingerprint sensor will have a better placement)

Also...i keep hearing about distracting backlight bleed from the panel too which is a shame too.

Look, apples hardware and software are on two totally different pages lately. Every single one agrees on this. They play catchup with other software devices and act like they are the ones who invented the damn things!

They lack vision to be honest as of late. Tim cook is a great manager, sure but he is not the visionary steve jobs was and the fact that your own software limits the power of your own hardware is proof of this. Had steve been alive, i can promise you the ipad pro would be a genuine pro device instead of a higher tier price bracket!

for you
…it makes no sense

For the ones who profit from the use of theirs or knock time of a task they’re charging for - time = money.
It’s definitely a genuine Pro device with genuine Professional software.

In fact, the iOS/ipadOS App Store is the largest selection of apps in the history of computing.
Not just Angry Birds but Microsoft and Adobe’s dedication to the platform and their apps ability to play with the iPad is extensive.
In some cases these companies are spending more time and hours working on their mobile product than they are their desktop/static softwares.
And it doesn’t end there. Plenty of massive instrument and synthesizers available as expensive plugins are now $5-$20 bucks. With real DAWs. Real Photoshop and the M1 update nearly instantly.
Even Google is playing ball.
Whether your a photographer or videographer, a pilot or a doctor - a professional artist or architect or just a hobbyist… gamers, you’ve NEVER had this large of a selection of software on ANY platform in the history of computing.
I’m 50 this year and owned the IIe in ‘83 so don’t gimme the ‘I can run heritage software on my ….. whatever ‘real computer’ means to them).
There was no HDD or lol SSDs then. We had 5 ¼” floppy disks we had to keep safe between classes.
iPad Pro is an honest to goodness computer with functionality a desk or laptop doesn’t and cannot have - including options for incessant connectivity with 5G, GPS, and the best display 99.9% of owners have ever owned.
How do you use an iPad then? When it’s in my lap while I’m sitting down my arm keeps my hand hovering over it. That’s how I interact with it. When I’m laying on a couch, same thing, I have to lift my arm up to touch the vertical positioned screen. It’s the same effort to interact with it if it was a Mac with a touch screen. It does get tiring over time and that’s why when laying down I’ll use my MacBook Pro if I’m going to be interacting with it. Movies are fine since I can rest my arm while watching.
I’ve also found when trying out the Touch Bar MacBook Pro that I have to move my hands slightly to reach and interact with the Touch Bar.

Using Apple’s (and your) logic, the Touch Bar is very unnatural as well.

I don’t want full blown macOS on the iPad, I just wish iPadOS was more capable. They’ve already brought features from the Mac to the iPad (and vice-versa) with out combining them.

People claim that Apple doesn’t want to hurt Mac sales. That excuse is ullshit. Steve Jobs always said that Apple wasn’t afraid of a device cannibalizing another device. Look at what happened to the iPod once the iPhone took off.
Maybe work out a bit? They’re no heavier than a standard book!
And the third party industry has built a bazillion ways to hold your iPad for you available on Amazon!!
As an editor, I’d love to try LumaFusion, but the iPad still doesn’t support ProRes media, which is absurd because it’s Apple’s own codec. But that perfectly encapsulates how ambivalent Apple is about the “pro” in iPad Pro.
Sure it does!
Has for almost a year now. Round trip as frame.io compatibility allows for proxies to be edited on the iPad and easily returned to the original ProRes file with the edits in place and all through Luma Fusion. It’s sent back as FCPXMP with its edits. Adobe has upgraded Premier AE and Rush as well.
And another one or two apps or more.

Really lots of people trying to justify their 2018 model. Hardly an issue I always sell my old gear to fund the next model - if you do that then you will feel a lot better about your purchase. Back on topic, the 2018 it’s a major upgrade and I have no regrets
The 2018 is still a killer iPad. Especially if one picked up a 1TB as it included the 6GB RAM that was standard in 2020.
m1 iPads are bleeding edge tablets worth every penny a user spends on their tablet.

To be fair, I appreciate that we will be able to make iOS and iPad apps in iPadOS 15. But it’s just too little, too late. PROs need a complete file system and a non-sandboxed Unix terminal. I should be able to create command-line applications and run them *on the iPad*. I should be able to run Swift scripts and background services *on the iPad*.

Universal mode is a nice gimmick but it won’t make me go out and buy a new iPad just to swap files between operating systems.

The traditional sandboxed walls of iOS don’t translate well for the iPad when it’s just begging to be used in Mac-like ways. I can definitely understand the frustration but I will always offer the same advice: Just get a Mac.
That’s BS!
There’s plenty of third party file system manipulation apps available and that’s, again, the largest Damn sandbox ever built. Why would one need to leave when one has access to everything there is that’s used by everyone else?

the biggest thing missing currently is XCode but I don’t think we’re far away from a built from ground up app simulation software like XCode but for all OSs that make sense and have continuity in the ‘walled eco system!’ Yikes!! (Even the Windows and Google and Adobe and … are available. Today! With near parity with their siblings. In some cases better, I’d argue for the less than editor of the front page of Cosmo exch month.)
Devs can’t really make anything specifically for the M1 iPad Pros. For example, pretty much every app submitted must also be able to run acceptably on an iPad Air 2 (thanks to the fact that they support iOS 15), or it may be rejected from the store.

There are a few exceptions for functions like AR and LiDAR.

Until this limitation is removed, I don’t see how anything specifically optimized for the new iPad Pros could be released.
I believe you were called on that already but if not it’s untrue.
I add my self to the people that don't "need" any iPad but just loves to do almost anything on a 12,9 iPad pro. I am a developer and I reaaaaaly regret not having the possibility to develop on iPad due to its limited OS. But as a tool to use in the house to consume and produce content with that form factor is unreplaceable, in my opinion
I concur with both points. And I think sooner than later your wish will be granted;)
I think it mostly folks here are upset they can’t run a full desktop version of Microsoft Office and Photoshop but it is running a mobile version the same with mobile web browsers and complain of lack of fetures.

But keep in mind these full desktop apps are not designed for touch user interface. They are designed for mouse and keyboard.
They’re a helluva lot closer than ever and in many cases even more stable and faster. As well, they’re spending more money and manpower in the mobile realm today than the desk and laptop world. As everyone has a phone;)

Since when does a larger display = a better interface and multitasking capability? iOS (or iPadOS or whatever they call it) IS your UI (User Interface). Whatever multitasking iOS/iPadOS/i-whateverOS does, it can/will do on any device that supports that version. Display size/quality will NOT affect that one iota. Things will look nicer, on a larger/higher quality display, but they won't perform better. If anything, the OS/CPU has to work harder (thus more slowly), to push more pixels on a larger display.

My wife had me buy the M1 iPad Pro (8/512 config) for whatever reason (I personally think she believes eventually Adobe apps will be "just like on the Mac", which is a foolish notion to bet on, but since I'm the one buying the thing, what does she care), so we're either going to sell the one she has now (about $500+ on eBay) and apply it towards the price of the new one she's getting or I'll keep it for myself and have a much larger/faster iPad to play the iOS game I'm having made (which I've done all the music/sound effects for; over 250 pieces of music, alone). It's in beta testing right now. However my aged iPad 2 Mini has been configured for and the game plays almost the same as on faster iOS devices, just with slightly lower graphics effects.

Since the days displays and resolutions became larger!!
It only makes sense higher density and larger display areas will benefit multitasking. More display area. More area for more info.
I hope you are able to code your games / congrats BTW! On your newer iPad soon. iPad Mini 2 was a 512MB RAM, first edition of retina with a weak SoC to play with.
so excellent job coding.
And good luck.
To everyone who considers the iPad Pro a rip off, it’s not your tool. For those who benefit from it, they’re enjoying the enhancements made that help their skill set, boost productivity or speed up tasks.
No one person needs everything but as a die hard MacBook Pro and Mac Pro user for many years, I honestly use my iPad more often and profit from it’s use significantly more and with the extended storage and memory - more layers, more tracks or instruments or video mixing etc can be held locally, and played back instantly. Or drawn without latency. Played with as fast a response as your home desktop and has the battery to last all day

oh yeah
And the largest, most extensive and diverse selection of software… now called ‘apps’ then anytime in history - in fact probably double the amount of programs live in the App Store than were ever coded and sold in stores in their entirety before the App Store and Googles response were a thing.
same with media; from music to magazines. Music to home videos and blockbusters in theaters with the classics ready to steam. As well as podcasts, millions of song catalogs and true supercomputers residing in your pockets. Capable of doing literally anything one can imagine.
And it’s a 24/7 communication device with GPS and compass/barometer and altimeter and Bluetooth and WiFi and LTE/5G radios as well as cameras that rival the big manufacturers with AI and computing power to help take killer shots and motion.
Whether you’re a carpenter or dance instructor, bartender or DJ, the CEO or janitor, that phone in your pocket is soooo much more.
and the extension of the idea to the tablet with differentiation using Apple Pencil and smart folios - along with the development community realizing that a billion of these devices are already in hands.
Legacy software on 64bit architecture is a PITA anyway and other than extraordinary circumstances, totally unnecessary and been far surpassed in ability by new apps - and software.
 

Ludatyk

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To everyone who considers the iPad Pro a rip off, it’s not your tool. For those who benefit from it, they’re enjoying the enhancements made that help their skill set, boost productivity or speed up tasks.
No one person needs everything but as a die hard MacBook Pro and Mac Pro user for many years, I honestly use my iPad more often and profit from it’s use significantly more and with the extended storage and memory - more layers, more tracks or instruments or video mixing etc can be held locally, and played back instantly. Or drawn without latency. Played with as fast a response as your home desktop and has the battery to last all day
Preach! Truer words were never spoken!
 

ksgant

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I am making this post to express and share my concerns in hopes that others can make the best possible decision and so that apple can perhaps make changes that benefits consumers.

I have an 11" but my kids used it and loaded it with games. I also assumed the 12.9" would perhaps enable better productivity.
Yeah, I'm calling BS on this. The 12.9 would operate just like the 11", so why on earth did you think that just adding 1.9" to the size will automagically make it "more productive" when that doesn't make the OS operate any differently.

Did you think the OS would be different on the 12.9"? Honestly? Or are you trolling us?
 

kp98077

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Yeah, I'm calling BS on this. The 12.9 would operate just like the 11", so why on earth did you think that just adding 1.9" to the size will automagically make it "more productive" when that doesn't make the OS operate any differently.

Did you think the OS would be different on the 12.9"? Honestly? Or are you trolling us?
Ohhh the 12.9 is better for productivity for sure. I had the 11 and was sooo small to do anything serious on work wise and hard to see it outside in the sun. So glad I stayed with[ the 12.9. I’m hardly using my MBP! Lol never thought that would happen.
 

rui no onna

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Yeah, I'm calling BS on this. The 12.9 would operate just like the 11", so why on earth did you think that just adding 1.9" to the size will automagically make it "more productive" when that doesn't make the OS operate any differently.

Did you think the OS would be different on the 12.9"? Honestly? Or are you trolling us?

That 1.9" diagonal may not sound like much but that translates to 40% bigger display area. 1/2 split view gives tablet UI on the 12.9" while it's still phone UI on 11".

Annotating PDFs side by side, the 12.9" is workable while the 10-11" is just too small for comfort even with the margins cut off.
 

ouimetnick

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Files app doesn’t crash!?
How much did you pay for your iPhone?

Build an M1 ‘Mac’ up with 1TB & 16GB of RAM (without 5G or GPS, touch pencil or the insane transportability of iPad) and the prices are very close to even.




for you
…it makes no sense

For the ones who profit from the use of theirs or knock time of a task they’re charging for - time = money.
It’s definitely a genuine Pro device with genuine Professional software.

In fact, the iOS/ipadOS App Store is the largest selection of apps in the history of computing.
Not just Angry Birds but Microsoft and Adobe’s dedication to the platform and their apps ability to play with the iPad is extensive.
In some cases these companies are spending more time and hours working on their mobile product than they are their desktop/static softwares.
And it doesn’t end there. Plenty of massive instrument and synthesizers available as expensive plugins are now $5-$20 bucks. With real DAWs. Real Photoshop and the M1 update nearly instantly.
Even Google is playing ball.
Whether your a photographer or videographer, a pilot or a doctor - a professional artist or architect or just a hobbyist… gamers, you’ve NEVER had this large of a selection of software on ANY platform in the history of computing.
I’m 50 this year and owned the IIe in ‘83 so don’t gimme the ‘I can run heritage software on my ….. whatever ‘real computer’ means to them).
There was no HDD or lol SSDs then. We had 5 ¼” floppy disks we had to keep safe between classes.
iPad Pro is an honest to goodness computer with functionality a desk or laptop doesn’t and cannot have - including options for incessant connectivity with 5G, GPS, and the best display 99.9% of owners have ever owned.

Maybe work out a bit? They’re no heavier than a standard book!
And the third party industry has built a bazillion ways to hold your iPad for you available on Amazon!!

Sure it does!
Has for almost a year now. Round trip as frame.io compatibility allows for proxies to be edited on the iPad and easily returned to the original ProRes file with the edits in place and all through Luma Fusion. It’s sent back as FCPXMP with its edits. Adobe has upgraded Premier AE and Rush as well.
And another one or two apps or more.


The 2018 is still a killer iPad. Especially if one picked up a 1TB as it included the 6GB RAM that was standard in 2020.
m1 iPads are bleeding edge tablets worth every penny a user spends on their tablet.


That’s BS!
There’s plenty of third party file system manipulation apps available and that’s, again, the largest Damn sandbox ever built. Why would one need to leave when one has access to everything there is that’s used by everyone else?

the biggest thing missing currently is XCode but I don’t think we’re far away from a built from ground up app simulation software like XCode but for all OSs that make sense and have continuity in the ‘walled eco system!’ Yikes!! (Even the Windows and Google and Adobe and … are available. Today! With near parity with their siblings. In some cases better, I’d argue for the less than editor of the front page of Cosmo exch month.)

I believe you were called on that already but if not it’s untrue.

I concur with both points. And I think sooner than later your wish will be granted;)

They’re a helluva lot closer than ever and in many cases even more stable and faster. As well, they’re spending more money and manpower in the mobile realm today than the desk and laptop world. As everyone has a phone;)



Since the days displays and resolutions became larger!!
It only makes sense higher density and larger display areas will benefit multitasking. More display area. More area for more info.
I hope you are able to code your games / congrats BTW! On your newer iPad soon. iPad Mini 2 was a 512MB RAM, first edition of retina with a weak SoC to play with.
so excellent job coding.
And good luck.
To everyone who considers the iPad Pro a rip off, it’s not your tool. For those who benefit from it, they’re enjoying the enhancements made that help their skill set, boost productivity or speed up tasks.
No one person needs everything but as a die hard MacBook Pro and Mac Pro user for many years, I honestly use my iPad more often and profit from it’s use significantly more and with the extended storage and memory - more layers, more tracks or instruments or video mixing etc can be held locally, and played back instantly. Or drawn without latency. Played with as fast a response as your home desktop and has the battery to last all day

oh yeah
And the largest, most extensive and diverse selection of software… now called ‘apps’ then anytime in history - in fact probably double the amount of programs live in the App Store than were ever coded and sold in stores in their entirety before the App Store and Googles response were a thing.
same with media; from music to magazines. Music to home videos and blockbusters in theaters with the classics ready to steam. As well as podcasts, millions of song catalogs and true supercomputers residing in your pockets. Capable of doing literally anything one can imagine.
And it’s a 24/7 communication device with GPS and compass/barometer and altimeter and Bluetooth and WiFi and LTE/5G radios as well as cameras that rival the big manufacturers with AI and computing power to help take killer shots and motion.
Whether you’re a carpenter or dance instructor, bartender or DJ, the CEO or janitor, that phone in your pocket is soooo much more.
and the extension of the idea to the tablet with differentiation using Apple Pencil and smart folios - along with the development community realizing that a billion of these devices are already in hands.
Legacy software on 64bit architecture is a PITA anyway and other than extraordinary circumstances, totally unnecessary and been far surpassed in ability by new apps - and software.

I paid close to $900 for a gently used iPhone 11 Pro Max (512GB Gold) in late November 2021. Warranty was set to expire in March, but I bought AC+ in December 2020, so I'm covered until December 2022. The files app crashed for me when I would select 25-30 large 4K files from an external drive. No issues copying those from an external drive on an old 2014 MBP or even a 2012 MBP.
 

Mikehuddd12

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I just want a updated iPad mini with current design, my current iPad mini 2 is almost 8 years old. I love the size of my
ipad mini i take it everywhere. the other iPads are just too big for my liking.
 

Jessemtz25

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Initially I was head over heels for the specs on the new iPad pro m1; however, after using it, I decided to return it:

1. It's too large to use casually or comfortably on a couch or chair. Your wrist tires. You essentially have to turn it into a laptop with some sort of accessory. The only reason I went for 12.9" was because of the new screen---I "had" to go with 12.9" it was the only way to get the best display. My 2018 11" pro is the perfect size, it seems.

2. The operating system is highly limited and practically the same as iOS. So for most tasks I ended reaching for my phone before the iPad. What a disappointment that the operating system, even in 2021, is still juvenile.

3. I already have an M1 Air which is worlds ahead of this iPad due to MacOS. It was also cheaper than the iPad Pro, a more primitive and limited device. Also, the M1 air gets better battery life.

4. The return on investment was terrible. I paid a ton for this device and it was essentially a big phone.
I agree it’s unwieldy to hold. I've had my 3rd gen 12.9 for two years now and am shopping the new ones and I think I'm going 11" this time around.
 

Flabasha

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Sure it does!
Has for almost a year now. Round trip as frame.io compatibility allows for proxies to be edited on the iPad and easily returned to the original ProRes file with the edits in place and all through Luma Fusion. It’s sent back as FCPXMP with its edits. Adobe has upgraded Premier AE and Rush as well.
And another one or two apps or more.
I’m not going to pay for a subscription to an online service, grind through converting all of my footage to h.265, then reconform back to ProRes on ANOTHER NLE (that I also had to purchase) just to edit on an iPad. It’s hilarious that Apple’s iPad “Pro” doesn’t support Apple’s own ProRes format. But it’s intentional, they want you buying a 4,000 buck MacBook Pro, not a 1,100 dollar iPad Pro. I can’t blame them, but it shows that the “Pro” in the iPad line is like the “Pro” in the iPhone line… kind of an inside joke.
 
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watchmainspring

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I agree it’s unwieldy to hold. I've had my 3rd gen 12.9 for two years now and am shopping the new ones and I think I'm going 11" this time around.

My wife has the m1 11" and it's great. She loves to read it it's perfect. My toddlers use the 11" with their little hands and have no issues.
 

Soccerrick10

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I hold and edit with the pencil all the time. I’ve had 3 12.9” iPads prior. After seeing the new screen and realizing my primary use is for digital photo editing of black and white files, I was sold.

The contrast and dynamic range beautifully matches the Leica lenses and monochrome file putput.
 

Kiimora

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It‘s so much lighter holding it with one hand case-less, and using the pencil. I went from the 2018 iPad Pro 11 to my first 12.9’ 2020 , now M1 12.9’.
 

pdoherty

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Since when does a larger display = a better interface and multitasking capability? iOS (or iPadOS or whatever they call it) IS your UI (User Interface). Whatever multitasking iOS/iPadOS/i-whateverOS does, it can/will do on any device that supports that version. Display size/quality will NOT affect that one iota. Things will look nicer, on a larger/higher quality display, but they won't perform better. If anything, the OS/CPU has to work harder (thus more slowly), to push more pixels on a larger display.

My wife had me buy the M1 iPad Pro (8/512 config) for whatever reason (I personally think she believes eventually Adobe apps will be "just like on the Mac", which is a foolish notion to bet on, but since I'm the one buying the thing, what does she care), so we're either going to sell the one she has now (about $500+ on eBay) and apply it towards the price of the new one she's getting or I'll keep it for myself and have a much larger/faster iPad to play the iOS game I'm having made (which I've done all the music/sound effects for; over 250 pieces of music, alone). It's in beta testing right now. However my aged iPad 2 Mini has been configured for and the game plays almost the same as on faster iOS devices, just with slightly lower graphics effects.
Of course the size effects it. For one, the keyboard format changes on smaller iPads, especially in portrait or when multitasking.
 

Cosmo M3

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I hold and edit with the pencil all the time. I’ve had 3 12.9” iPads prior. After seeing the new screen and realizing my primary use is for digital photo editing of black and white files, I was sold.

The contrast and dynamic range beautifully matches the Leica lenses and monochrome file putput.

as a Leica photographer, I agree
 

roberthodgson

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I went with the 12.9” 5G 128gb I could not justify the extra cost for more storage that I really do not need maybe in a few years when I upgrade again but for now 128GB is fine
 

SchroederDoodle

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Not sure it’s overly comparable, an xp pen display verses a complete mobile device… especially in the context of the op- but for what it’s worth you can use an iPad as a graphics tablet too, and therefore ‘get macOS’.
Ah, you're right! I forgot that feature existed :)
 
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