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I Switched To Android And I Have No Regrets
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That's true.. unfortunately Android phones are slowly following the no more headphone jack trend, wonder whats next after the headphone jack. Only having wireless charging perhaps
Try "airmore" app. Other than talking and charging your phone, you can do almost everything without wires.
We put our parents on iPhones and iPads because those were less confusing. But if Apple moves fully to the gesture based controls and removes the home button on iPad we are toast.
I have seen a number of older folks purchasing iPhone 10s.
You maybe pleasantly shocked at how quick your parents pickup on gestures.
If they can swipe to change pages, they will need about 30 minutes to learn a few new swipes.
No. I wish, though. They’re really in very bad shape. Except for my dad. He’s actually more of a full Windows PC afficianado at the moment. We tried to get him to switch to Mac but he loves the ability to customize his PC experience and tinker with the hardware. Unfortunately this means he sometimes blows stuff up and it results in a tech support call to my husband.
My dad is fully ambulatory and abled. Which is insane because he’s had thyroid cancer, bowel cancer, bladder cancer, skin cancer, and I think he still has a pituitary tumor kind of just sitting there. It’s amazing what the advances in cancer treatment have accomplished in his case. You would not know to look at him that he’s ever been sick and that he’s over 60. He’s 81.
What I’ve personally seen that really knocks people out of action is autoimmune disease. Especially those that attack and degrade the joints, such as osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis. My poor mom. She’s 82, and still a beauty who only recently got her first wrinkles and some gray in her hair, a fact which knocks everyone for a loop. But she’s not been very mobile for years and is in constant debilitating pain. And she refuses to get hearing aids which leads to more complications than need be.
Age related loss of sight and hearing can bring on behaviors and reactions that mimic dementia. Get those hearing aids and treatments for macular degeneration (they have experimental ones) going or mental function falls off a cliff fast. We learned this caring for my father-in-law. Fortunately he was cooperative and reversed the damage to his cognitive skills.
Gesture based controls is hard for my father-in-law because of loss of visual acuity and fine motor control. He has tremors not from Parkinson’s but just general age. He really counts on being able to feel the home button when he gets “lost” at whatever he’s doing on the gigantic iPad Pro we bought him. He loves his iPad. It adds so much to his life. As does Amazon Echo. He loves Alexa.
My mother-in-law has had strokes and now can’t really use her iPhone much anymore. She was really very adept on it just a couple of years ago and was the iPhone fan in the family. And before that she was fairly computer literate. That ended with her first stroke.
She uses Alexa/Echo to make calls since her second stroke. Her speech isn’t the smoothest but Alexa does a good job understanding her. Siri became a disaster. Actually MIL is in the hospital right now. I don’t think she’s going to be using any tech for awhile. Understandably it’s the last thing on her mind.
We’re mostly trying to keep my father-in-law on technology to keep him occupied and connected and flexible of mind.
I’ve actually been hit prematurely by some problems that I inherited. I push myself hard to be competent on iOS and Android because I’ve seen how important it is to push and challenge yourself in every way possible to keep functional past 80.
Lol, but I don’t know if any amount of pushing myself is going to make me any more proficient with the latest Apple TV remote. Goodness that thing is a horror for me!
I was quite hesitant, which was the reason I kept my X. However, the 9 is head and shoulders above the X in so many ways. Bear in mind, my entire house (family) are iOS, so the android switch and losing IM seems to have bothered my wife
Now contemplating selling my X
Yes. The basic use of iOS has not changed? Settings has become a mess. A serious mess. I was hoping that Apple would simplify / sort it out as part of iOS 12. I am running the PB version and it has become even more complex.
I gave my mom (nursing home in her 80's) a mini and thankfully they have a nurse on staff who is very good with iOS. Yes, a lot of the residents have an iPad
Yeah, the point is that you don't have to mess with Settings, and Android settings have much more features so it's even more complicated.Yes. The basic use of iOS has not changed? Settings has become a mess. A serious mess. I was hoping that Apple would simplify / sort it out as part of iOS 12. I am running the PB version and it has become even more complex.
I gave my mom (nursing home in her 80's) a mini and thankfully they have a nurse on staff who is very good with iOS. Yes, a lot of the residents have an iPad
I switched from a 7+ to a Razer. More than satisfied with it
Running iOS 12 on an IPP gen2 - I am not seeing the improvement I had hoped for in iOS.
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Not true.
Settings for my IPP is far more complex than Settings on my Razer. A bigger point is the settings on the Razer for the most part make logical sense when I am looking for a specific control. Far too often in iOS the placement of the control makes little sense or the name has little to do with the actual feature.
Running iOS 12 on an IPP gen2 - I am not seeing the improvement I had hoped for in iOS.
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Not true.
Settings for my IPP is far more complex than Settings on my Razer. A bigger point is the settings on the Razer for the most part make logical sense when I am looking for a specific control. Far too often in iOS the placement of the control makes little sense or the name has little to do with the actual feature.
No. I wish, though. They’re really in very bad shape. Except for my dad. He’s actually more of a full Windows PC afficianado at the moment. We tried to get him to switch to Mac but he loves the ability to customize his PC experience and tinker with the hardware. Unfortunately this means he sometimes blows stuff up and it results in a tech support call to my husband.
My dad is fully ambulatory and abled. Which is insane because he’s had thyroid cancer, bowel cancer, bladder cancer, skin cancer, and I think he still has a pituitary tumor kind of just sitting there. It’s amazing what the advances in cancer treatment have accomplished in his case. You would not know to look at him that he’s ever been sick and that he’s over 60. He’s 81.
What I’ve personally seen that really knocks people out of action is autoimmune disease. Especially those that attack and degrade the joints, such as osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis. My poor mom. She’s 82, and still a beauty who only recently got her first wrinkles and some gray in her hair, a fact which knocks everyone for a loop. But she’s not been very mobile for years and is in constant debilitating pain. And she refuses to get hearing aids which leads to more complications than need be.
Age related loss of sight and hearing can bring on behaviors and reactions that mimic dementia. Get those hearing aids and treatments for macular degeneration (they have experimental ones) going or mental function falls off a cliff fast. We learned this caring for my father-in-law. Fortunately he was cooperative and reversed the damage to his cognitive skills.
Gesture based controls is hard for my father-in-law because of loss of visual acuity and fine motor control. He has tremors not from Parkinson’s but just general age. He really counts on being able to feel the home button when he gets “lost” at whatever he’s doing on the gigantic iPad Pro we bought him. He loves his iPad. It adds so much to his life. As does Amazon Echo. He loves Alexa.
My mother-in-law has had strokes and now can’t really use her iPhone much anymore. She was really very adept on it just a couple of years ago and was the iPhone fan in the family. And before that she was fairly computer literate. That ended with her first stroke.
She uses Alexa/Echo to make calls since her second stroke. Her speech isn’t the smoothest but Alexa does a good job understanding her. Siri became a disaster. Actually MIL is in the hospital right now. I don’t think she’s going to be using any tech for awhile. Understandably it’s the last thing on her mind.
We’re mostly trying to keep my father-in-law on technology to keep him occupied and connected and flexible of mind.
I’ve actually been hit prematurely by some problems that I inherited. I push myself hard to be competent on iOS and Android because I’ve seen how important it is to push and challenge yourself in every way possible to keep functional past 80.
Lol, but I don’t know if any amount of pushing myself is going to make me any more proficient with the latest Apple TV remote. Goodness that thing is a horror for me!
Sorry to hear about all of the health issues. My mom has had RA since her 20s and it's hard to watch re: the amount of discomfort she's in. It is very hard for her to use Touch ID on her iPhone. I'm heavily pushing my dad to help convince her to get an iPhone with Face ID.
I don't think it matters re: simplicity of Android or iOS with the baby boomer and earlier generations. They both can be very hard to pick up. It's a generational thing, same thing as inability to handle using a PC or Mac. My parents ask me all the time to help with Mac issues.
Two funny examples: my dad called me two days ago stating that their internet went out so he needed to go to Starbucks to do work. He had NO idea that his iPhone X could serve as a mobile hotspot and was so excited about it. And he's had an iPhone ever since the original one.
Second example: my parents both think they can only access the internet using AOL. Yes, they still log into AOL.com and browse the internet through that. They can't comprehend that just opening Safari and going to google.com or entering in any web address will work. Yet they open Safari and enter in AOL.com anyway!! I've tried showing them and explaining many times, it just doesn't work, LOL.
Re: this thread topic, everyone thinks I'm insane, the number of phones I go through. Android 9 has caught up to iOS, for me. Using the latest 12 beta on my iPhone 8. They both have killer features. Once iOS masters Waze and Google Maps in CarPlay, it may be game over for Android and I. If Android ever has anything half as useful as iMessage (built in natively, not some 3rd party app), it could be game over for iOS and I. That's why I continue to use both a Pixel 2 XL and iPhone, and will be buying the iPhone XS next week.
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Then that's a specific case with a specific phone so it's very personal and subjective, most settings on iPhone are hidden because you have no need to really mess with them.I switched from a 7+ to a Razer. More than satisfied with it
Running iOS 12 on an IPP gen2 - I am not seeing the improvement I had hoped for in iOS.
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Not true.
Settings for my IPP is far more complex than Settings on my Razer. A bigger point is the settings on the Razer for the most part make logical sense when I am looking for a specific control. Far too often in iOS the placement of the control makes little sense or the name has little to do with the actual feature.
That is one of my biggest issues. You used to be able to tryst the default settings in iOS. Not so true any longer.
iOS menu hierarchy is clearly less intuitive than Android.
For example, my neighbor came over for help with updating iOS on their iPhone since it's sort of hidden under an extra layer Settings > General > Update that people have to hunt around for regardless of having used it before. For comparison, it's Settings > Update on Android that's so simple it's like muscle memory.
Other things like iOS reduced motion/transparency are miscategorized under Accessibility instead of Display or Performance.
I'd be willing to try Android. I am going to wait and see what comes out tomorrow.
Reading through this thread the consensus seems to be people have problems with iOS and iPhones but the walled garden (Eco system) keeps them here. Eventually that will come to pass and then we shall see some real innovation and new designs. In the meantime Apple is content with incremental updates, because people still buy the phones.
Reading through this thread the consensus seems to be people have problems with iOS and iPhones but the walled garden (Eco system) keeps them here. Eventually that will come to pass and then we shall see some real innovation and new designs. In the meantime Apple is content with incremental updates, because people still buy the phones.
That's because Apple referes to Reduce Motion and Transparency as an accessibility method, for example last year I was having a period in which iOS 11 animations would give me migraines and would literally make me throw up, so I had to disable them as an migraines feature, also meant for people with vision disabilities. Having the Software Update hidden is definitely not a good option, although remember that once a new update is available there's a little circle that will guide you through the menus you have to click in order to access the software update, so it's not as a big of a deal.
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Split Screen is one of those who puts iPhone to shame.
What innovation iOS brought through releases? New Emojis? No wait, a "smart" performance slowdown for older devices.
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I bought a new battery for my iPhone 7. I expect this will be my last iPhone, I’ve been slowly moving away from Apple for a few years. First my 2011 11” MacBook Air, when I needed Windows, and found it was more expensive to buy an official Windows licence than to buy an HP Stream 11” with a year’s Office 365, a £25 Xbox voucher, and a £10 Argos voucher, which meant it really cost only £65. This £150 machine had a near identical screen to the £800 Air! It was ok, much better than I expected from the spec, and finally I gave the Air to my sister. It turns out I don’t need much power in a portable. I wanted to buy a 12” MacBook, but the price rises last year meant I could buy a Surface Pro 4 with the same m3 4/128 configuration as the base MacBook, for literally half the price, again with a near identical screen - but this time a good screen!
Then my 2011” Mac mini wouldn’t run the software I wanted, and couldn’t run Windows either, so sold it and built a cheap HTPC (i3, 4gb, a spare hard drive I had lying around) instead, and a rocket ship gaming tower (i7 6700k, 16gb, 12tb, gtx980ti) - both of these together cost less than a base MacBook!
I bought a Kindle Fire HD8 for £50 on Black Friday, just to see - it’s ok, not as good as an iPad, but so cheap I use it more, because I’m not worried about breaking it. On Prime Day I bought a Kindle Fire HD10 for £100, which has a much better screen and faster processor, and actually could replace my 12” iPad, though I’ll keep it around a couple more years; it’s good for magazines. I installed play services on both Kindles, so I have the full range of apps.
I could switch to Android; all the apps I use are available, and they’re as good if not better. In fact the locked down nature of iOS is driving me away more and more! I’m running the iOS 12 beta, and it does have some great features - 2FA texts automatically entered, for example. It’s almost enough, but the way it deals with music downloads from websites - which necessitates a PC running iTunes, like it was 2004 all over again - is the deal breaker.
To my surprise, it’s the Apple Watch that’s keeping me here! A new iPhone battery will keep the status quo going for another year or two, giving Android watches time to catch up, and then I’ll leave. Unless what’s announced tomorrow is amazing - and cheap. I’m not convinced it’ll be either.
Then my 2011” Mac mini wouldn’t run the software I wanted, and couldn’t run Windows either, so sold it and built a cheap HTPC (i3, 4gb, a spare hard drive I had lying around) instead, and a rocket ship gaming tower (i7 6700k, 16gb, 12tb, gtx980ti) - both of these together cost less than a base MacBook!
I bought a Kindle Fire HD8 for £50 on Black Friday, just to see - it’s ok, not as good as an iPad, but so cheap I use it more, because I’m not worried about breaking it. On Prime Day I bought a Kindle Fire HD10 for £100, which has a much better screen and faster processor, and actually could replace my 12” iPad, though I’ll keep it around a couple more years; it’s good for magazines. I installed play services on both Kindles, so I have the full range of apps.
I could switch to Android; all the apps I use are available, and they’re as good if not better. In fact the locked down nature of iOS is driving me away more and more! I’m running the iOS 12 beta, and it does have some great features - 2FA texts automatically entered, for example. It’s almost enough, but the way it deals with music downloads from websites - which necessitates a PC running iTunes, like it was 2004 all over again - is the deal breaker.
To my surprise, it’s the Apple Watch that’s keeping me here! A new iPhone battery will keep the status quo going for another year or two, giving Android watches time to catch up, and then I’ll leave. Unless what’s announced tomorrow is amazing - and cheap. I’m not convinced it’ll be either.
The "Real innovation" I was referring to would occur when cross platform connectivity becomes more common place. If/when Apple and Android are able to talk to each other and share messaging and video platforms, I feel that would spur real innovation due to competition. May be wishful thinking on my part.
As it stands now, even for those who are experiencing issues with Apple or iOS, it is hard to leave or try another product because connectivity between devices is limited.
I was not bashing one or the other just offering perspective.
I don’t view split screen as anything that puts iPhone to shame, but your line in the sand is different than mine...and we vote with our wallets. And iOS 12 is the “antidote “ for your smart performance slowdown, although that’s not exclusively limited to iOS....
Split Screen is one of those who puts iPhone to shame.
What innovation iOS brought through releases? New Emojis? No wait, a "smart" performance slowdown for older devices.
I would almost certainly think split-screen multitasking will be a feature of the 6.5" phone. But yeah, no split-screen to this point is a huge omission for folks like myself. If they don't implement it on the 6.5" phone, then it'll be egregious at best.
That "antidote" needed a lot of media shame for Apple Software and lawsuits... that's what I call caring for the costumer!
People have been suing Apple for years. Win some, lose some. They don’t indicate a whole lot. The revenue is more telling than the lawsuits.