iPad Pro I will buy the iPad Pro 2022 and you?

[rui no onna]

I absolutely agree that you can compare the price of an iPhone Pro with an iPad Pro and scratch your head over why they are the same price.

I think the difference is expectations... iPhone Pro does everything that people expect a smartphone would do (and then some). Apple keeps pushing iPad Pro as computer replacement so people's expectation is that it can do what a computer (read: laptop) can do. They have backed off of that marketing lately which really seemed to peak with the "what is a computer" iPad ads. People would actually view iPad Pro as a massive deal if they expected it to have the same functionality as an iPhone with a giant screen.

I don’t have this issue since I never expected tablets to replace my laptop. I’ve also tried some Windows 2-in-1s before and they sucked as tablets.

The iPad just naturally took over laptop duties (mostly web browsing, reading and Netflix/Hulu in bed/couch) as hardware and software improved. Granted, I’m not a fan of the laptop’s clamshell form factor to begin with. When I need to work, I prefer to do it on the desktop with multi-monitor setup plus a more comfortable keyboard and trackball.

Mind, I also remember building $$$ HTPCs since streaming devices were quite limited back then. Now, we have new powerful streaming devices from Roku, Amazon, Google/Android and AppleTV which pretty much all the streaming services support.

 

[Dealmans]

If you are fine paying laptop prices for a consumption oriented tablet more power to you.

Yes - MacBook Air 13" runs the same OS as MacBook Pro 16" and the price differential can be large depending on config. The difference is there are MANY people who have workflows that require the beefy hardware of the Pro.

I imagine there is a minuscule number of people if any whos iPad Workflow REQUIRES them to have an M1 iPad with 8+ GB RAM as opposed to the base iPad.

Does the base iPad come in 12.9"? with mini led. I don't want to look at a average 13" air screen with low brightness v the 12.9", tried that and sold it.

 

[JahBoolean]

I absolutely agree that you can compare the price of an iPhone Pro with an iPad Pro and scratch your head over why they are the same price.

I think the difference is expectations... iPhone Pro does everything that people expect a smartphone would do (and then some). Apple keeps pushing iPad Pro as computer replacement so people's expectation is that it can do what a computer (read: laptop) can do. They have backed off of that marketing lately which really seemed to peak with the "what is a computer" iPad ads. People would actually view iPad Pro as a massive deal if they expected it to have the same functionality as an iPhone with a giant screen.

Someone didn't do their research before purchasing.

 

[Rafterman]

Does the base iPad come in 12.9"? with mini led. I don't want to look at a average 13" air screen with low brightness v the 12.9", tried that and sold it.

Plus, its apples and oranges. A tablet is a different experience than a full laptop. Not comparable at all.

 

[rui no onna]

Plus, its apples and oranges. A tablet is a different experience than a full laptop. Not comparable at all.

Yep. There's quite a bit of overlap but they each have their own strengths.

Granted, if I needed to use a desktop OS, I prefer to use a desktop over a laptop.

 

[subjonas]

I absolutely agree that you can compare the price of an iPhone Pro with an iPad Pro and scratch your head over why they are the same price.

I think the difference is expectations... iPhone Pro does everything that people expect a smartphone would do (and then some). Apple keeps pushing iPad Pro as computer replacement so people's expectation is that it can do what a computer (read: laptop) can do. They have backed off of that marketing lately which really seemed to peak with the "what is a computer" iPad ads. People would actually view iPad Pro as a massive deal if they expected it to have the same functionality as an iPhone with a giant screen.

I agree there is a different expectation on the iPad. It reminds me how people mocked (and sometimes still mock) the iPad as “just a big iPhone”, but that’s only because the iPhone came out first. If the iPad came out first, they would have said, “wow the iPhone is a pocket-sized iPad!” It’s really about frame of reference.

But regarding Apple’s marketing, to be fair, I don’t believe the ads ever said that the iPad could or was supposed to replace computers for any particular percentage of people. I think through the ads and even Tim Cook’s comments, Apple was was merely trying to coax whoever could replace their computer with an iPad (particularly casual Windows users), to do so on their next purchase. For everyone else, it obviously remained a supplementary device. But a lot of tech bloggers and iPad enthusiasts seemed to run with a different interpretation—that the iPad should be able to replace a traditional computer for them specifically, and if it can’t then it has failed. And that narrative still persists today for some reason. But from what I can tell, just taking in Apple’s words and actions as objectively as possible, it never seemed like there was any intention of replacing the computer for anyone whom it can’t.

 

[rui no onna]

But regarding Apple’s marketing, to be fair, I don’t believe the ads ever said that the iPad could or was supposed to replace computers for any particular percentage of people. I think through the ads and even Tim Cook’s comments, Apple was was merely trying to coax whoever could replace their computer with an iPad (particularly casual Windows users), to do so on their next purchase.

Agreed. My parents only use the desktop for Facebook, YouTube, web browsing and online banking. All things that can be more than adequately performed on the iPad.

Traditional computers used to be the only device you can use for those tasks but nowadays, smartphones and tablets can do the job just as well.

 

[bscheffel]

I agree there is a different expectation on the iPad. It reminds me how people mocked (and sometimes still mock) the iPad as “just a big iPhone”, but that’s only because the iPhone came out first. If the iPad came out first, they would have said, “wow the iPhone is a pocket-sized iPad!” It’s really about frame of reference.

But regarding Apple’s marketing, to be fair, I don’t believe the ads ever said that the iPad could or was supposed to replace computers for any particular percentage of people. I think through the ads and even Tim Cook’s comments, Apple was was merely trying to coax whoever could replace their computer with an iPad (particularly casual Windows users), to do so on their next purchase. For everyone else, it obviously remained a supplementary device. But a lot of tech bloggers and iPad enthusiasts seemed to run with a different interpretation—that the iPad should be able to replace a traditional computer for them specifically, and if it can’t then it has failed. And that narrative still persists today for some reason. But from what I can tell, just taking in Apple’s words and actions as objectively as possible, it never seemed like there was any intention of replacing the computer for anyone whom it can’t.

The reason that narrative still persists today (and not only won't go away but will grow) is simple: Now that both run the same chip and Apple publishes iPad RAM the hardware between the two is directly comparable and very similar

12.9" iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard = M1, 8GB RAM, 256GB storage @ 3+lbs = $1,548 = blown up smartphone OS
13.3" MacBook Air = M1, 8GB RAM, 256GB storage @ 2.8lbs = $999 = desktop OS

When people pay more they expect equivalent capability to a less priced device. Yes, Apple never said tablets do everything a laptop does but with Magic Keyboard they do their best to make an iPad mimic a laptop.

iPads are excellent devices and do things that a laptop can't do and the form factor has many many advantages. I will always continue to have and use an iPad (albeit now as a complimentary device) My only beef is that the cost of the iPadPro vs. the utility just isn't there. Mini LED and the 12.9" size are the only differentiators, for some that is enough to justify the cost but for most I couldn't recommend.

Base iPad is phenomenal value, iPad Air is those that want thin and light (with or without keyboard), but who is the iPad Pro for, especially with Magic Keyboard at over $1500? Anyone who determines that iPad can replace their laptop doesn't need a Pro to do it.

 

[rui no onna]

The reason that narrative still persists today (and not only won't go away but will grow) is simple: Now that both run the same chip and Apple publishes iPad RAM the hardware between the two is directly comparable and very similar

12.9" iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard = M1, 8GB RAM, 256GB storage @ 3+lbs = $1,548 = blown up smartphone OS
13.3" MacBook Air = M1, 8GB RAM, 256GB storage @ 2.8lbs = $999 = desktop OS

When people pay more they expect equivalent capability to a less priced device. Yes, Apple never said tablets do everything a laptop does but with Magic Keyboard they do their best to make an iPad mimic a laptop.

iPads are excellent devices and do things that a laptop can't do and the form factor has many many advantages. I will always continue to have and use an iPad (albeit now as a complimentary device) My only beef is that the cost of the iPadPro vs. the utility just isn't there. Mini LED and the 12.9" size are the only differentiators, for some that is enough to justify the cost but for most I couldn't recommend.

Base iPad is phenomenal value, iPad Air is those that want thin and light (with or without keyboard), but who is the iPad Pro for, especially with Magic Keyboard at over $1500? Anyone who determines that iPad can replace their laptop doesn't need a Pro to do it.

I paid $600 for my Sandy Bridge (or Ivy Bridge?) laptop with 8GB RAM and 1TB HDD, and $800 for my iPad 2 64GB. At that time, the laptop was far, far, far more capable than the iPad both in terms of software and hardware. Nowadays, iPads can do so much more compared to back in 2011.

As for the regular iPad and iPad Pro running the same software, yes they do. It’s like comparing a low end and high end laptop though. They may run the same operating system but you usually get a smoother experience from the high end one (better visuals/gaming performance, less reloads/freezes, faster network connectivity, etc). Paired with a keyboard and mouse, FaceID is also a whole lot more convenient than TouchID. Granted, I only need that at the office. Otherwise, I’m on tablet mode all the time when at home.

Sure, the iPad Pros don’t run MacOS but I don’t need it to. If that’s what I wanted, I would’ve bought a Mac. In fact, I actually do own an M1 MacBook Air that’s mainly just collecting dust. Utility is based on the user. I splurge on iPads because for personal use, I use them over desktop/laptop 90+% of the time. I get far greater utility out of each of my iPads compared to the utility derived from all my laptops combined.

 

[Username-already-in-use]

I agree there is a different expectation on the iPad. It reminds me how people mocked (and sometimes still mock) the iPad as “just a big iPhone”, but that’s only because the iPhone came out first. If the iPad came out first, they would have said, “wow the iPhone is a pocket-sized iPad!” It’s really about frame of reference.

But regarding Apple’s marketing, to be fair, I don’t believe the ads ever said that the iPad could or was supposed to replace computers for any particular percentage of people. I think through the ads and even Tim Cook’s comments, Apple was was merely trying to coax whoever could replace their computer with an iPad (particularly casual Windows users), to do so on their next purchase. For everyone else, it obviously remained a supplementary device. But a lot of tech bloggers and iPad enthusiasts seemed to run with a different interpretation—that the iPad should be able to replace a traditional computer for them specifically, and if it can’t then it has failed. And that narrative still persists today for some reason. But from what I can tell, just taking in Apple’s words and actions as objectively as possible, it never seemed like there was any intention of replacing the computer for anyone whom it can’t.

Agreed. A lot of the mania about “porting pro apps to iPad” in 2021 seemed to emanate from the YouTube content creator space. The thinking behind the idea is questionable, are they unhappy with MacOS on their Mac in someway? The loudest voices also own Macs (Mac Pro, Mac Studio, Macbooks Pro) with much more powerful chips than the iPad Pro/Air’s M1. I don’t understand what porting pro apps to iPadOS is going to give them specifically.

If in the unlikely event that Apple ported their pro apps to iPadOS, the same creator space would whinge that the iPad doesn’t export at M1 Max and Ultra speeds.

To me, the iPadOS interface has room for improvement, especially with file management and multitasking. This to me is a far more pressing matter than porting Final Cut to the iPad.

I would seriously doubt that Apple would make its money back on the cost of porting these apps to iPadOS. So it isn’t going to do it.

 

[subjonas]

The reason that narrative still persists today (and not only won't go away but will grow) is simple: Now that both run the same chip and Apple publishes iPad RAM the hardware between the two is directly comparable and very similar

12.9" iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard = M1, 8GB RAM, 256GB storage @ 3+lbs = $1,548 = blown up smartphone OS
13.3" MacBook Air = M1, 8GB RAM, 256GB storage @ 2.8lbs = $999 = desktop OS

When people pay more they expect equivalent capability to a less priced device. Yes, Apple never said tablets do everything a laptop does but with Magic Keyboard they do their best to make an iPad mimic a laptop.

iPads are excellent devices and do things that a laptop can't do and the form factor has many many advantages. I will always continue to have and use an iPad (albeit now as a complimentary device) My only beef is that the cost of the iPadPro vs. the utility just isn't there. Mini LED and the 12.9" size are the only differentiators, for some that is enough to justify the cost but for most I couldn't recommend.

Base iPad is phenomenal value, iPad Air is those that want thin and light (with or without keyboard), but who is the iPad Pro for, especially with Magic Keyboard at over $1500? Anyone who determines that iPad can replace their laptop doesn't need a Pro to do it.

I still don’t understand the narrative. Just because Apple gives us a very capable device means they should give us an even more capable device? Should Apple have kept iPad hardware meager then?

Also the demand that an iPad should replace the laptop was growing long before last year when M1 appeared in the iPad Pro. It seems the demand simply grows the more capable the iPad gets. I understand the want, but again, I don’t understand the expectation.

As far as price, a car is not capable of everything that a truck is capable of, but it can definitely cost more. One would just be paying for different things. Not everything is of value for everyone.

 

[subjonas]

Agreed. A lot of the mania about “porting pro apps to iPad” in 2021 seemed to emanate from the YouTube content creator space. The thinking behind the idea is questionable, are they unhappy with MacOS on their Mac in someway? The loudest voices also own Macs (Mac Pro, Mac Studio, Macbooks Pro) with much more powerful chips than the iPad Pro/Air’s M1. I don’t understand what porting pro apps to iPadOS is going to give them specifically.

If in the unlikely event that Apple ported their pro apps to iPadOS, the same creator space would whinge that the iPad doesn’t export at M1 Max and Ultra speeds.

To me, the iPadOS interface has room for improvement, especially with file management and multitasking. This to me is a far more pressing matter than porting Final Cut to the iPad.

I would seriously doubt that Apple would make its money back on the cost of porting these apps to iPadOS. So it isn’t going to do it.

Sure, porting pro apps to iPad wouldn’t allow heavier pro users, like many of those YouTubers, to replace their traditional computers, but I think it might do so for lighter users. As for whether it’s worth it to Apple for those lighter users, it seems not since Apple hasn’t done it yet.

 

[bscheffel]

I still don’t understand the narrative. Just because Apple gives us a very capable device means they should give us an even more capable device? Should Apple have kept iPad hardware meager then?

Also the demand that an iPad should replace the laptop was growing long before last year when M1 appeared in the iPad Pro. It seems the demand simply grows the more capable the iPad gets. I understand the want, but again, I don’t understand the expectation.

As far as price, a car is not capable of everything that a truck is capable of, but it can definitely cost more. One would just be paying for different things. Not everything is of value for everyone.

Consider this then.... iPad Pro could absolutely bootcamp into MacOS with Magic Keyboard connected from a technical perspective. Prior to the M1 version RAM was at 6GB, less than any base Mac but now iPad Pro has at least 8GB. There is no technical barrier to this, and yes, the touchscreen wouldn't work when booted in MacOS since that OS is not optimized for touch.

In doing so, Apple could let a large group ditch their MacBooks and use the iPad with MacOS when they needed the desktop OS functionality. Instead of carrying a MacBook and an iPad, I could just carry one device that was "best of class" for both consumption and work productivity.

So as not to disturb or complicate the iPad experience for those who have no desire to use MacOS on iPad the bootcamp would require someone to press option key while booting, otherwise the user would never even know it was possible and the iPad experience not impacted.

The only reason Apple doesn't do this is because they want to sell us two devices. Great for Apple, bad for those who carry two devices. iPro Pro is intentionally being held back from filling the needs of as many people as possible.

 

[prospervic]

Well, unless Apple moves the front-facing camera to the landscape-oriented position, adds a second USB-C/Thunderbolt port and let’s me choose Scarlett Johansson as my default Siri voice, I’ll be happily staying with my M1 12.9 iPad Pro.

 

[rui no onna]

let’s me choose Scarlett Johansson as my default Siri voice, I’ll be happily staying with my M1 12.9 iPad Pro.

That’s a definite upgrade for me.

 

[subjonas]

Consider this then.... iPad Pro could absolutely bootcamp into MacOS with Magic Keyboard connected from a technical perspective. Prior to the M1 version RAM was at 6GB, less than any base Mac but now iPad Pro has at least 8GB. There is no technical barrier to this, and yes, the touchscreen wouldn't work when booted in MacOS since that OS is not optimized for touch.

In doing so, Apple could let a large group ditch their MacBooks and use the iPad with MacOS when they needed the desktop OS functionality. Instead of carrying a MacBook and an iPad, I could just carry one device that was "best of class" for both consumption and work productivity.

So as not to disturb or complicate the iPad experience for those who have no desire to use MacOS on iPad the bootcamp would require someone to press option key while booting, otherwise the user would never even know it was possible and the iPad experience not impacted.

The only reason Apple doesn't do this is because they want to sell us two devices. Great for Apple, bad for those who carry two devices. iPro Pro is intentionally being held back from filling the needs of as many people as possible.

Yes, Apple could do a dual boot. People have been asking for that for a long long time and it is more feasible now. Again, I understand the want. I wouldn’t mind that myself. I even understand the general frustration as there are things I really wish Apple would do. But again, it’s simply the expectation that I don’t get. This doesn’t really have to do with Apple or the iPad specifically. I simply have no expectations from a company, except to do what they want within the law, and to not trick. I don’t understand this expectation that they make our lives easier if it’s within their power. Apple didn’t have to make the iPad at all. Or the Mac for that matter. How can we say to a company or anyone, “what you gave us is not enough, you owe us more”? (Assuming no agreement was broken.)

I guess this just comes down to different philosophies on life.

 

[bondr006]

I don't want MacOS on the iPad. I like iPadOS and would like it to do some more of the things that its other OS cousins can do. I believe it will get there before long and that the iPad will keep taking more of the laptop market share away just like the laptop did to the desktop.

 

[rui no onna]

Yes, Apple could do a dual boot. People have been asking for that for a long long time and it is more feasible now. Again, I understand the want. I wouldn’t mind that myself. I even understand the general frustration as there are things I really wish Apple would do. But again, it’s simply the expectation that I don’t get. This doesn’t really have to do with Apple or the iPad specifically. I simply have no expectations from a company, except to do what they want within the law, and to not trick. I don’t understand this expectation that they make our lives easier if it’s within their power. Apple didn’t have to make the iPad at all. Or the Mac for that matter. How can we say to a company or anyone, “what you gave us is not enough, you owe us more”? (Assuming no agreement was broken.)

I guess this just comes down to different philosophies on life.

Lol, I guess I might be pessimistic but I don’t expect anything from any company except what they’ve already delivered.

I believe all the big companies are governed by greed. I reckon the only way Apple will offer a new feature like dual booting is if they think it will make them more money (e.g. higher sales of iPad Pro + MKB that will more than offset the loss of MBA/MBP sales).