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My new M1 11-inch Pro had a slight bend out of the box - and I mean slight. Ever so subtle, as in I had to actively look for it (did on purpose as I was curious). I mean, it's essentially a super-thin battery sandwich with the bread consisting of relatively soft aluminum, so of course realistically there's a chance of variations like this. People who go on about how it's the user's fault no matter what are in a fantasy land, and the same goes for folks who say it bends at the slightest touch. Again, realism's important! For example, with my iPhone XR after two years in a Mous case - the latter wasn't made completely straight and caused a slight bend on the phone. Aluminum bends under pressure, and the same can sometimes happen during the manufacturing/cooling process as Apple has stated. But for the iPad Pro, legit putting it into a cheap magnetic folio case and closing it seems to have straightened and fixed it for me. And I'm confident that the thickness/rigidity of the Magic Keyboard isn't there only for weight distribution purposes - Apple's not stupid, and I haven't yet seen any reports of bends from folks who use it.

In the case of my iPad Pro, it's just one of those instances where the manufacturing process resulted in a teeny-tiny bend, nothing drastic or worrying whatsoever. Definitely within the tolerances Apple was going on about a while back. Should they strengthen the inner frame of the device to minimize the risk of this/switch to a stronger series of aluminum? Absolutely - it would be awesome to see the stainless steel frame like on the iPhone 12 Pro for this reason (just matte and not polished ffs). But that doesn't necessarily mean they're okaying a bunch of folded-over iPad Pros like some folks would lead you to believe. It's just the nature of the material, especially with devices of this size and weight combination. This has happened on the odd iPad for years, primarily the Air and Pro series as these devices are thinner yet still have a large flat surface area for the aluminum to frame/support, so any variations are more noticeable on those models. The increase of complaints/comments regarding bends on the new devices is honestly a given as they now have flat sides, so an ever-so-slightly-unstraightened edge is immediately more noticeable.

As far as I'm concerned, if a bend is so subtle that you have to break out the calipers to confirm you're not crazy, you're not really focusing on using the device and are instead letting worry take over, and it shouldn't pose an issue in everyday use or worsen easily. If the bend is more severe, especially over time, it could either be due to a unit's aluminum wonkily weakened somehow in the manufacturing process or simply user negligence. Hard to determine which sometimes, and that's why people tend to pile onto the latter and why Apple is reluctant to replace units due to bends outside of the return period. Even they can't tell. If a bunch of units were coming back with complaints, say, of bending with a crack at the side microphone hole, then that would be a different story as it would indicate a structural failure point. Personally, I feel like relocating the pencil charger to the power button edge, then relocating the power button and camera to a landscape orientation would help to strengthen the Pro and Air devices, as fewer openings near the middle of the longest edges will mean fewer points where the bend can naturally originate. It's much less likely that a bend will occur along a shorter edge (just look at the iPad Mini 5 - no complaints on bends on any side).

Actually, when we look at the infamous jerryrigeverything bend test, we can see that he exhibits so much force and effort into the bend that the device is compromised at the microphone hole. This right here is an indication to me that he was trying too hard. When people attempt to straighten a bend carefully, which can be done without hurting the device if the bend is super subtle, this crack doesn't occur, meaning a normal-to-moderate amount of pressure under regular use/travel isn't likely going to cause an extreme variation like that. Before the crack, there is considerable bend but only because of the heavy pressure he's applying - it would "bounce back" a little if he had let go and could potentially even be reversed. Only precisely when the crack occurs does the device bend dramatically and is beyond saving, as the structure has then developed a failure point through user negligence. Unless you're Donkey Kong having a major banana withdrawal and pissed off, I wouldn't worry.

Speaking of which, I'd imagine the lack of the side microphone hole and ever-so-slightly "thicker" design of the Air 4 would make it a little less structurally prone to this than the Pro and I've seen next to no complaints on bends for those, but if the risk of it happening at all bothers you I'd recommend iPad 8. It's perfectly understandable if you'd prefer to avoid this altogether, and hey, you'll save quite a bit of money at the same time. 8 is still an extremely versatile and capable machine, marketed towards the education market and therefore using a thicker/stronger design (they're pretty damn durable tbh). Plus Applecare's cheaper/it's easier to repair, you get a headphone jack, and it apparently gets exceptional battery life. If I change my mind on the Pro and return it for whatever reason, I'll gladly try either it or the Air.
 
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VaruLV

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Don’t get me wrong I wish Apple added wayyyy more thickness and tried to make it as durable as possible, but it’s still aluminum on a 12’9 screen. Plus it could have a even bigger battery. You have to baby it these things and be mindful where you store them.
Surface Book 13.5 is rather thin, not too thick and it has very good rigidity, much better compared to 12.9 iPP as I recall after trying to twist my households 13.5 and 12.9 at the store. Surface is slightly thicker and made of magnesium alloy AFAIK vs iPads aluminum.

Id love 12.9 to be stiffer, that's all. Oh and come with kick stand like Surface Pro does and with card reader built in, but that's not gonna ever happen :D
 
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My new M1 11-inch Pro had a slight bend out of the box - and I mean slight. Ever so subtle, as in I had to actively look for it (did on purpose as I was curious). I mean, it's essentially a super-thin battery sandwich with the bread consisting of relatively soft aluminum, so of course realistically there's a chance of variations like this. People who go on about how it's the user's fault no matter what are in a fantasy land, and the same goes for folks who say it bends at the slightest touch. Again, realism's important! For example, with my iPhone XR after two years in a Mous case - the latter wasn't made completely straight and caused a slight bend on the phone. Aluminum bends under pressure, and the same can sometimes happen during the manufacturing/cooling process as Apple has stated. But for the iPad Pro, legit putting it into a cheap magnetic folio case and closing it seems to have straightened and fixed it for me. And I'm confident that the thickness/rigidity of the Magic Keyboard isn't there only for weight distribution purposes - Apple's not stupid, and I haven't yet seen any reports of bends from folks who use it.

In the case of my iPad Pro, it's just one of those instances where the manufacturing process resulted in a teeny-tiny bend, nothing drastic or worrying whatsoever. Definitely within the tolerances Apple was going on about a while back. Should they strengthen the inner frame of the device to minimize the risk of this/switch to a stronger series of aluminum? Absolutely - it would be awesome to see the stainless steel frame like on the iPhone 12 Pro for this reason (just matte and not polished ffs). But that doesn't necessarily mean they're okaying a bunch of folded-over iPad Pros like some folks would lead you to believe. It's just the nature of the material, especially with devices of this size and weight combination. This has happened on the odd iPad for years, primarily the Air and Pro series as these devices are thinner yet still have a large flat surface area for the aluminum to frame/support, so any variations are more noticeable on those models. The increase of complaints/comments regarding bends on the new devices is honestly a given as they now have flat sides, so an ever-so-slightly-unstraightened edge is immediately more noticeable. As far as I'm concerned, if a bend is so subtle that you have to break out the calipers to confirm you're not crazy, you're not really focusing on using the device and are instead letting worry take over, and it shouldn't pose an issue in everyday use or worsen easily. If the bend is more severe, especially over time, it could either be due to a unit's aluminum wonkily weakened somehow in the manufacturing process or simply user negligence. Hard to determine which sometimes, and that's why people tend to pile onto the latter and why Apple is reluctant to replace units due to bends outside of the return period. Even they can't tell. If a bunch of units were coming back with complaints, say, of bending with a crack at the side microphone hole, then that would be a different story as it would indicate a structural failure point. Personally, I feel like relocating the pencil charger to the power button edge, then relocating the power button and camera to a landscape orientation would help to strengthen the Pro and Air devices, as fewer openings near the middle of the longest edges will mean fewer points where the bend can naturally originate. It's much less likely that a bend will occur along a shorter edge (just look at the iPad Mini 5 - no complaints on bends on any side).

Speaking of which, I'd imagine the lack of the side microphone hole and ever-so-slightly "thicker" design of the Air 4 would make it a little less structurally prone to this than the Pro and I've seen next to no complaints on bends for those, but if the risk of it happening at all bothers you I'd recommend iPad 8. Still an extremely versatile and capable machine, marketed towards the education market and therefore using a thicker/stronger design (they're pretty damn durable tbh). Plus Applecare's cheaper/it's easier to repair, you get a headphone jack, and it apparently gets exceptional battery life. If I change my mind on the Pro and return it for whatever reason, I'll gladly try either it or the Air.
Thanks for taking the time to write that out, really insightful!
 
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CRX

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Thanks for taking the time to write that out, really insightful!
Haha, no prob. I'm waiting for it to get bashed to all hell, but sometimes we've just gotta sit back and look at the whole "situation" calmly and without rose-tinted sunglasses - which may or may not have bent arms lol
 
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In total I have (or have had) 5 of the newer gen iPad Pros, including my 2021 12.9" I got yesterday. By accident I've smushed up against them on sofas, partially sat on one once, and none of them have ever had the slightest bend.

There are a few people who have had it happen, but it's a infinitesimally small percentage.
 
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In total I have (or have had) 5 of the newer gen iPad Pros, including my 2021 12.9" I got yesterday. By accident I've smushed up against them on sofas, partially sat on one once, and none of them have ever had the slightest bend.

There are a few people who have had it happen, but it's a infinitesimally small percentage.
That’s a big confidence booster, also 5!??
 

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That’s a big confidence booster, also 5!??
Yeah, I bought 2 2018 11" ones (one of them used), a 2018 12.9" (used), a 2020 12.9" and a 2021 12.9". I gave one to my mom (which she loves and uses all day every day), sold two, and at the moment have a 2018 11" and a 2021 12.9".

I don't know if you guys have encountered this, but the previous generation - e.g. my mom isn't gentle with tech, just like my in laws. Somehow they manage to break cables, chargers, cases etc. all the time. My mom's 12.9 is still perfectly flat though, which to me, says the bending isn't an issue to be concerned about. Sucks for the few people that have had it happen, but if you're going into a purchase, I wouldn't worry at all.
 

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I got my first scratch on the antenna band of the iPad Pro 2021 near the bezel, my life is over. Why don’t they make them less vulnerable? It’s been a weakness since the beginning.

This is what happens when you engineer something to look good rather than for real life.

#Scuffgate #iBendPro

https://www.reddit.com/r/iPadPro/comments/aocg7d https://www.reddit.com/r/iPadPro/comments/gi7zyn
Dozens of generations of Apple devices touched by that evil Ive insists on defying physics and engineering practicality, and this is what we get. He can design a Mac floating on top of a stand if physics is not an issue. On the other hand, new 24” iMac looks amazing. So it can go both ways.
 
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I got my first scratch on the antenna band of the iPad Pro 2021 near the bezel, my life is over. Why don’t they make them less vulnerable? It’s been a weakness since the beginning.

This is what happens when you engineer something to look good rather than for real life.

#Scuffgate #iBendPro

https://www.reddit.com/r/iPadPro/comments/aocg7d https://www.reddit.com/r/iPadPro/comments/gi7zyn
You're joking, right?
 

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You're joking, right?
I’m not the only one who’s noticed this.

this on top of iPadOS’ joke of features, bloomcity display, and you have a very expensive toy That as engineered by a bunch of aluminium-bezel Jony Ive wannabe maniacs.
 

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iBend Pro durability test shows some more resilience to bending versus the older ‘Pros’. Watch at the 6:40 mark of the video for the Bend.
 

sparksd

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With the new iPad Pro being 0.5mm thicker, do you think apple put any thought into reinforcing the chassis?


I’m not going to lie, watching this video makes me very anxious.

do any 2020/2021 iPad pro users have any durability/bendability stories?

Had the 2018 12.9 and now the 2021 - no bends and never worry about it.
 
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MrEcted

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My new M1 11-inch Pro had a slight bend out of the box - and I mean slight. Ever so subtle, as in I had to actively look for it (did on purpose as I was curious). I mean, it's essentially a super-thin battery sandwich with the bread consisting of relatively soft aluminum, so of course realistically there's a chance of variations like this. People who go on about how it's the user's fault no matter what are in a fantasy land, and the same goes for folks who say it bends at the slightest touch. Again, realism's important! For example, with my iPhone XR after two years in a Mous case - the latter wasn't made completely straight and caused a slight bend on the phone. Aluminum bends under pressure, and the same can sometimes happen during the manufacturing/cooling process as Apple has stated. But for the iPad Pro, legit putting it into a cheap magnetic folio case and closing it seems to have straightened and fixed it for me. And I'm confident that the thickness/rigidity of the Magic Keyboard isn't there only for weight distribution purposes - Apple's not stupid, and I haven't yet seen any reports of bends from folks who use it.

In the case of my iPad Pro, it's just one of those instances where the manufacturing process resulted in a teeny-tiny bend, nothing drastic or worrying whatsoever. Definitely within the tolerances Apple was going on about a while back. Should they strengthen the inner frame of the device to minimize the risk of this/switch to a stronger series of aluminum? Absolutely - it would be awesome to see the stainless steel frame like on the iPhone 12 Pro for this reason (just matte and not polished ffs). But that doesn't necessarily mean they're okaying a bunch of folded-over iPad Pros like some folks would lead you to believe. It's just the nature of the material, especially with devices of this size and weight combination. This has happened on the odd iPad for years, primarily the Air and Pro series as these devices are thinner yet still have a large flat surface area for the aluminum to frame/support, so any variations are more noticeable on those models. The increase of complaints/comments regarding bends on the new devices is honestly a given as they now have flat sides, so an ever-so-slightly-unstraightened edge is immediately more noticeable.

As far as I'm concerned, if a bend is so subtle that you have to break out the calipers to confirm you're not crazy, you're not really focusing on using the device and are instead letting worry take over, and it shouldn't pose an issue in everyday use or worsen easily. If the bend is more severe, especially over time, it could either be due to a unit's aluminum wonkily weakened somehow in the manufacturing process or simply user negligence. Hard to determine which sometimes, and that's why people tend to pile onto the latter and why Apple is reluctant to replace units due to bends outside of the return period. Even they can't tell. If a bunch of units were coming back with complaints, say, of bending with a crack at the side microphone hole, then that would be a different story as it would indicate a structural failure point. Personally, I feel like relocating the pencil charger to the power button edge, then relocating the power button and camera to a landscape orientation would help to strengthen the Pro and Air devices, as fewer openings near the middle of the longest edges will mean fewer points where the bend can naturally originate. It's much less likely that a bend will occur along a shorter edge (just look at the iPad Mini 5 - no complaints on bends on any side).

Actually, when we look at the infamous jerryrigeverything bend test, we can see that he exhibits so much force and effort into the bend that the device is compromised at the microphone hole. This right here is an indication to me that he was trying too hard. When people attempt to straighten a bend carefully, which can be done without hurting the device if the bend is super subtle, this crack doesn't occur, meaning a normal-to-moderate amount of pressure under regular use/travel isn't likely going to cause an extreme variation like that. Before the crack, there is considerable bend but only because of the heavy pressure he's applying - it would "bounce back" a little if he had let go and could potentially even be reversed. Only precisely when the crack occurs does the device bend dramatically and is beyond saving, as the structure has then developed a failure point through user negligence. Unless you're Donkey Kong having a major banana withdrawal and pissed off, I wouldn't worry.

Speaking of which, I'd imagine the lack of the side microphone hole and ever-so-slightly "thicker" design of the Air 4 would make it a little less structurally prone to this than the Pro and I've seen next to no complaints on bends for those, but if the risk of it happening at all bothers you I'd recommend iPad 8. It's perfectly understandable if you'd prefer to avoid this altogether, and hey, you'll save quite a bit of money at the same time. 8 is still an extremely versatile and capable machine, marketed towards the education market and therefore using a thicker/stronger design (they're pretty damn durable tbh). Plus Applecare's cheaper/it's easier to repair, you get a headphone jack, and it apparently gets exceptional battery life. If I change my mind on the Pro and return it for whatever reason, I'll gladly try either it or the Air.

TL;DR "My iPad has a tiny bend due to tolerances"
 

ian87w

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I really don't understand why Apple cannot address this once and for all. I mean there are a lot of ways, such as using better alloy, creating a structure to strengthen the weak spots like the SIM card slot or antenna bands, anything. I mean even non-engineers can see the issue on the weak points. Apple spend a lot of time in designing the iPhone boxes so they have the "right" friction to open, so why not the same scrutiny on the actual products. :(

Things like this are the reason I'm wary in buying Apple products, as they are increasingly more expensive in my country than US MSRP, and we don't even have the niceties like return policy or Apple stores as there are only authorized distributors and resellers.
 
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aevan

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I really don't understand why Apple cannot address this once and for all.

It’s not a real issue, that’s why. Treat your iPad with minimum care and it will be fine. I had my 2018 since launch and it was as straight as ever when I got my M1 iPad Pro recently.
 
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