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notjustjay

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Sep 19, 2003
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Canada, eh?
The same crew that brought you the iPhone, iPad, iOS . . . doesn't know *how* to screw up. They know what they're doing when it comes to tech, rest assured.

Apple doesn't know how to screw up??

They may be making FEWER mistakes than the competition, but they DO make mistakes. (Or was the iPhone 4 "antennagate" issue just a big publicity stunt?)

"They know what they're doing" doesn't necessarily mean "they're doing the right thing".
 

Bernard SG

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notjustjay said:
The same crew that brought you the iPhone, iPad, iOS . . . doesn't know *how* to screw up. They know what they're doing when it comes to tech, rest assured.

Apple doesn't know how to screw up??

They may be making FEWER mistakes than the competition, but they DO make mistakes. (Or was the iPhone 4 "antennagate" issue just a big publicity stunt?)

"They know what they're doing" doesn't necessarily mean "they're doing the right thing".

Apple certainly screws up now & then, but antennagate is definitely not a good example of that.
 

notjustjay

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Sep 19, 2003
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Canada, eh?
Apple certainly screws up now & then, but antennagate is definitely not a good example of that.

You don't think so?

First they released a phone with a flawed antenna design. I'm no RF engineer but even I was skeptical about the new antenna design when it was first announced, because I remember even from my Nokia 5190 (remember those?) and from FRS/GMRS walkie talkies that if you touch the antenna you significantly curtail the signal. But, I figured, it's Apple, they must know what they're doing, right?

So it turns out they didn't. And what was their response to the public outcry? "Oops, sorry guys, we messed this up, but we'll make it right"? No, instead we got:

"It's not just us... everyone else does it too! And hey, if you don't like it, tough!"

I can think of a lot of other mistakes Apple has made in its time but the antenna issue sticks out in recent memory.
 

v5point0

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Doesn't block some gmail adds. Believe me. I'm trying to boycott google as we speak as its a horrendous invasion of privacy.

For some reason i don't trust them.

I don't see a single ad on Gmail or any other Google service that I use, and I even use Chrome. The adblock does block everything as the list is updated frequently.

You may have personal reasons for hating Google but its really hard to maintain that attitude and use the internet.
 

macquariumguy

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Jan 7, 2002
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I don't see how Apple fans can still consider Microsoft an evil empire anymore, and how Microsoft would be the last company they turn to. :rolleyes:

That gimmick was fun, back in 2001.

I'm still holding a grudge against MS from the 80s. I'll never give them a penny directly from my pocket to theirs. Screw those crooks.
 

v5point0

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I'm still holding a grudge against MS from the 80s. I'll never give them a penny directly from my pocket to theirs. Screw those crooks.

MS glory is long gone, they will be in the future but not really that much of an influence.
 

thejadedmonkey

macrumors G3
May 28, 2005
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Unless there are factual issues specified, that's FUD.
Here's an example of Apple screwing up a software update.

I'm still holding a grudge against MS from the 80s. I'll never give them a penny directly from my pocket to theirs. Screw those crooks.
Because Mac OS 7 was so great. :rolleyes:

OP: I wouldn't worry too much. I just got a WP7 phone, and it's pretty alright. Not quite an iPhone, not really many apps, but it does what I need it to do, and it does it well. Just be careful and explore all options, instead of feeling as though, because you are a "Mac", you need an iPhone instead of a Google phone.
 

maflynn

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May 3, 2009
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I just got a WP7 phone, and it's pretty alright. Not quite an iPhone, not really many apps, but it does what I need it to do, and it does it well. Just be careful and explore all options, instead of feeling as though, because you are a "Mac", you need an iPhone instead of a Google phone.

I'm on a single year contract with verizon which will end next summer. I'm hoping that VZW will have the wp7 phones by then. I want to compare what android has to offer, vs, the iPhone, vs, wp7 phones.
 

v5point0

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Just be careful and explore all options, instead of feeling as though, because you are a "Mac", you need an iPhone instead of a Google phone.

I want to compare what android has to offer, vs, the iPhone, vs, wp7 phones.

If we just had more people like you guys and less fanboy fanatics, I don't think everyone else would be stereotyping us as douches.

There has to be a reason why you use this then that even if it is an Apple product.
 

Melrose

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I'd sooner go back to Microsoft than Google.

This, as much as I hate to say it. The lesser of two evils, and all that.

They're all companies out to make money, but I'd sooner suffer with low quality hardware and buggy software than sell my informational soul to Google.
 

liquidsuns

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Jun 23, 2009
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I'd go back to Microsoft, I guess. I have this thing where I like all my gadgets to kinda work together, or at least have some kind of integration with each other. That is the main reason I'm "with" Apple, well, that and I adore their hardware design. So I guess Microsoft is more apt at filling that roll then google. I'd use windows, windows phone 7, and the xbox as replacements for my Apple gear. Google doesn't really offer that integration. Microsoft really seems like it's getting it's stuff together in that regard. If they'd make a tablet based on windows phone 7, that'd be cool too.
 

v5point0

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I'd go back to Microsoft, I guess. I have this thing where I like all my gadgets to kinda work together, or at least have some kind of integration with each other. That is the main reason I'm "with" Apple, well, that and I adore their hardware design. So I guess Microsoft is more apt at filling that roll then google. I'd use windows, windows phone 7, and the xbox as replacements for my Apple gear. Google doesn't really offer that integration. Microsoft really seems like it's getting it's stuff together in that regard. If they'd make a tablet based on windows phone 7, that'd be cool too.

Those or one of the main reasons why we all use Apple products, not integration between each other but integration within themselves as well.

Between these products, it is the software that integrates and though Google doesn't have any hardwares, they already have an ever growing software and web app ecosystem.
 

Bernard SG

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Jul 3, 2010
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Notice how far you had to go back to find that one :cool:.
Anyway that was not my point, we were discussing specifically about 10.6.5; I somewhat misread the issue Maflynn was raising with the phrase "it's making the laptops inoperable". It appears it's about some (in-house?) software that malfunctions after the update. Considering Apple seeds betas to developers, you can hardly lay the responsibility of the malfunction at Apple's side in such case.
 

Bernard SG

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Jul 3, 2010
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You don't think so?

First they released a phone with a flawed antenna design. I'm no RF engineer but even I was skeptical about the new antenna design when it was first announced, because I remember even from my Nokia 5190 (remember those?) and from FRS/GMRS walkie talkies that if you touch the antenna you significantly curtail the signal. But, I figured, it's Apple, they must know what they're doing, right?

So it turns out they didn't. And what was their response to the public outcry? "Oops, sorry guys, we messed this up, but we'll make it right"? No, instead we got:

"It's not just us... everyone else does it too! And hey, if you don't like it, tough!"

I can think of a lot of other mistakes Apple has made in its time but the antenna issue sticks out in recent memory.
Apple sold over 13 m units of iPhone 4 in Q3 2010. I seriously doubt it would have happened if the "antennagate" massive FUD actually reflected a noticeable issue that hinders the device's usability.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
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Canada
Apple sold over 13 m units of iPhone 4 in Q3 2010. I seriously doubt it would have happened if the "antennagate" massive FUD actually reflected a noticeable issue that hinders the device's usability.

They also passed RIM in share, and it looks like it'll stick this time. Apple is now the fourth largest manufacturer worldwide, just below LG, Samsung, and Nokia . . . and they only really make one or two phones, which in the US are locked to a single carrier.

Where were all the returned iPhones? The outcry? the massive decline in sales? There wasn't any. And the reason there wasn't any was because "antennagate" wasn't actually a problem of any appreciable scope. It was all a massive FUD campaign that failed miserably.
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
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it was all a massive FUD campaign that failed miserably.

You keep thinking that. My iPhone 4 has the antenna problem. I didn't return it, I simply picked up one of the free cases that apple provided because of the issue. Just like everyone else who had the issue.

Even apple acknowledges the problem, why are you in denial about it?
 
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maflynn

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May 3, 2009
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It was all a massive FUD campaign that failed miserably.
I'm sorry but it was a valid problem, and it did affect many people. Some of whom did return the phone. Just because it did not result in affecting apple's bottom line does it mean it was not a problem. Just scanning the various forums for the iPhone proves that.

Instead of burying your head in the sand, and chanting that apple can do no wrong. Pull your head out and see that they're a company that can and does make mistakes.

the proximity sensor is another example of where apple had some issues where it affected their customers. Now this is not fud, because my wife's iphone had this malady as did a co-worker and it was very frustrating.

Just go to the apple discussions forum and you'll see many, many complaining and needing apple because of problems with apple products. That doesn't mean apple going down the drain, but rather they're not perfect.
 

benhollberg

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Mar 8, 2010
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If Apple screws up? You mean if something happens to Steve Jobs then Apple may screw up.

I hate to say it but i could be true.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
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If Apple screws up? You mean if something happens to Steve Jobs then Apple may screw up.

I hate to say it but i could be true.

Apple continued chugging along with Tim Cook at the helm. They have a capable leader there, so Id' not lose any sleep.
 

benhollberg

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Mar 8, 2010
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Apple continued chugging along with Tim Cook at the helm. They have a capable leader there, so Id' not lose any sleep.

Sure Tim Cook was good for half a year, but don't forget what happen when Jobs was fired for over 10 years. I am sure Tim Cook will be great, I was merely just stating something.
 
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