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Windows is not going to slow down over time any more than OSX, with the caveat that you are a user that knows what he's doing. The reason that PCs get this reputation is because Windows users tend to install a lot of crap off the internet on their machines (because there is more crap available on the internet that's actually compatible with their machines). And up until recently, Mac's Safari didn't even support plugins, while Windows's IE has been more than happy to let you slow it down with too-easy-to-plug-in crap for many, many years. If you know how to keep your system clean, neither OS is going to naturally slow down over time.
As a Windows user for over 20 years, and having administered a Windows network for the last 10, I respectfully have to disagree. Windows is much more prone to 'rot' than OSX or Linux. Even my own personal machines are subject to this to the point that I rarely go two years without a reinstall, unless the machine is used lightly for specific tasks only. Windows 7 does seem to be a major improvement over its predecessors in this department, but it is still nowhere near the level of its competitors. It's ultimately still saddled with the same registry problems it's had for years now.


A decent spec PC is around the £350 mark. A decent spec Mac is three times that in cost.

For basic home use a PC will last 5 years or so. A Mac will not last 15.

When people compare Macs to PCs they never factor in the cost of the machine on a year by year basis

For most people those specs don't matter, however. If you are obsessed with specs, buy a PC (or a Mac Pro). If you want a computer that works, go either route, but don't buy into the Macs are always more expensive garbage. A PC at that price point is going to be built to reflect it - ie. it's poorly manufactured garbage. Nor does it include the price of an equivalent monitor or packaged software. You'll probably get a few years out of it, then give it away or take it to the dump. The Mac will have the same (or in my experience, generally longer) lifetime, but it will likely still be worth half or more of its purchase price when you are ready to upgrade. I've done the life-cycle costs of a cheap PC vs. a decent Mac dozens of times for friends, family, and co-workers who come to me for computer buying advice, and when all costs and returns are considered, the Mac usually comes out on top.
 
Here OP I just made the decision for you:

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Photo from 2007 win!
 
Early '06 Core Duo iMac here. It's reached past its 4th Birthday and I expect it to last longer. It's always on (aside from reboots every month or so) with heavy work.

I'll be replacing it as my main machine with a Mac Pro soon (when it gets delivered!) but this iMac will replace the 12+ year old linux machine in my room for basic browsing/video watching while in bed.

Aside from the Vertical Lines on the screen this machine has no problems - I'll probably call Apple to see if they'll still fix it after I wipe it or something though. Other than that, I'm fairly certain it'll go past 5 years of life.
 
This is my new philosophy ;)

So would a i3 be a better buy than an i7.

I will be using the iMac I'm planning to purchase for general Family stuff.
May be put my Home HD movies on it and dablle with Logic.

Would it make more sense for me to get the i3 then upgrade in 3 years rather than getting an i7 and hoping to upgrade in 6 years?

What makes most economical sense?

Thanks

Rav:)
 
So would a i3 be a better buy than an i7.

I will be using the iMac I'm planning to purchase for general Family stuff.
May be put my Home HD movies on it and dablle with Logic.

Would it make more sense for me to get the i3 then upgrade in 3 years rather than getting an i7 and hoping to upgrade in 6 years?

What makes most economical sense?

Thanks

Rav:)


What's the difference in cost between i3 and i7 systems you are looking at?
 
What's the difference in cost between i3 and i7 systems you are looking at?

I'm in the UK with educational discount the i3 is £1260 the i7 is £1628
A difference of £368 (about $580)

This is going to be my first Mac so I'd like to make the right choice.

Rav:)
 
Hi.

Well, my doubt is easy *I think*

If I'm looking for future proof, should I got an iMac or a PC?

I like the 21,5" i5 iMac, with 1 TB and 5670. On the other hand, I can get a Phenom X6, hexa-core, with 2 TB and a 5850 1 TB.

I've always read that the Mac's don't get slower and slower with the time...it's true?

For future proof, I mean 5 years. Games, photos, music, work...

You can't future proof a computer :D

Both would be a bit out of date in 3 years.

But the Phenom won't be worth a great deal, whereas the Mac will hold its value.

Do what I do - buy a £1200 iMac and sell it in 3 years on ebay for £550.

Then buy a new one for £650.

This means you always have a Mac that's less than 3 years old for the equivalent of £216 a year. Or 60p a day if you want to think of it that way!
 
A decent spec PC is around the £350 mark. A decent spec Mac is three times that in cost.

For basic home use a PC will last 5 years or so. A Mac will not last 15.

When people compare Macs to PCs they never factor in the cost of the machine on a year by year basis

I respectfully disagree, with conditions.
Over the course of my 14 years at my present job, I have purchased no less than 10 million dollars worth of technology, so I have a fair amount of data. Mostly Macintosh, but also some large PC purchases. Our first was a a lab full of "basic" PC's. They lasted a year. The next set of PC's, HP's in the $700.00 range, lasted 3 years. After that it just wasn't wise to keep chasing the ghosts, so we replaced them. So instead of getting more PC's we got iMacs and put boot camp on them. They have lasted in the oldest cases, 5 years without a hitch and are still going strong. The iMacs cost me 1,100 discounted for a bulk purchase. This year we are phasing out equipment. Not becasue it doesn't work, it's just that it will not run some of the SW we need it to run. Pictured is our latest pile... all this stuff WORKS, and some of it is almost 9 years old. What has been my lesson over my career? Spend up to 25% more for the Mac, even if you run dual boot, and it WILL last up to 5 times longer than a PC. Money COUNTS in a computer purchase, and a 500 buck HP or similar from Best Buy is like tossing your money in a gutter. A 500 buck PC COULD last ten years, but on average, if you buy 1,000 of them, my bet is they won't. It's like global warming. COULD be cold in Hawaii and sweltering in Greenland, but take the average over the whole world and a different picture emerges.
Now on the upper end of price for a PC, that's a slightly different story. Spent some serious cash for the "prime" PC's and they are holding up well, but now it boils down to which do you prefer? Same price, same specs, quality product.... but uh-oh, it's Windows and then you have all their inherent issues, which adds a considerable amount to the TCO. Nah. I'll stick with Mac until I die, and the money I save can be used for the greater good.
 

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You can't future proof a computer :D
But the Phenom won't be worth a great deal, whereas the Mac will hold its value.

And I have proof of that statement. A few years ago I let go about 400 iBooks that were 5 years old. We spent about 1,000 each decked out. A company in CA bought them from us for 200 each. They even paid to have them packed and shipped. Try THAT with a 5-year old PC.
 
I'm in the UK with educational discount the i3 is £1260 the i7 is £1628
A difference of £368 (about $580)

This is going to be my first Mac so I'd like to make the right choice.

Rav:)

I'm by no means a mac expert but judging from what i have read here i think the i7 may be overkill for what your using it for.

The i3 should be ok, the i5 might be worth it as the best of both worlds.
 
imac g5 from 2004 that i am actually selling (for sale) is still fine. some new programs running at the same time bog it down but still a pretty good computer. just don't run final cut or CS3+ with anything else and you're good
 
Hi.

Well, my doubt is easy *I think*

If I'm looking for future proof, should I got an iMac or a PC?

I like the 21,5" i5 iMac, with 1 TB and 5670. On the other hand, I can get a Phenom X6, hexa-core, with 2 TB and a 5850 1 TB.

I've always read that the Mac's don't get slower and slower with the time...it's true?

For future proof, I mean 5 years. Games, photos, music, work...

I still use as my main machine a PowerMac 250 MHz 604e proc from 1997! Please fine me a PC that is that old and is still in heavy use? I use Illustrator, email, surfing, MS Office, light gaming.
 
I love how people always compare the price differences, when they are both completely different machines intended for completely different audiences.

Macs are generally used by professionals for editing etc.
Windows based PCs are generally used by clueless netbook buyers and gamers, as well as office use.

No one takes into account the fact that iMacs are the best AIOs available, which house one of the best screens around that would usually cost more than a PC itself if bought seperately. You wont find any other machine with the same quality/finish.

Depending on how long you run it, Macs will be cheaper the longer its used. If you use a Mac for 5 years it stays as is, and will still be able to run most applications and games perfectly fine. If you run a pc for 5 years, your most likely going to be upgrading it a lot, which will pile up in costs eventually.

If you really want to be nit-picking over costs, a PC will generally consume a lot more power than an iMac, and thats without the external monitor.
 
I still use as my main machine a PowerMac 250 MHz 604e proc from 1997! Please fine me a PC that is that old and is still in heavy use? I use Illustrator, email, surfing, MS Office, light gaming.

Well, to be fair, we still have a number of Pentium I 100mhz laptops (and even a few 60mhz 486 laptops) from the very early 90's in use and making millions of dollars a year for us! PC's can last a long time too. For me, it's mostly the re-sale value that the Macs retain.
 
PCs are future proof in the fact you can upgrade the graphics card, processor, ram, and add more hard drive space without voiding the warranty.


PCs are future proof in that way, Macs can only have more hard drive space and ram added.

If you only browse the internet, go with the iMac.

If you do more, then go with the PC.

Also Hackintosh is ALWAYS an option. Remember this.

And ask yourself. Would you rather have a hexa-core or a dual core. Which would run faster.

Think about it, even mac fanboys can't deny a hexa-core is better than a dual core.
 
G4/400 Sawtooth with Radeon 8500 graphics: 9 years - works great.
G5 2.5 Dual: 5 years+ - still in daily use.

Self-built Athlon 2400 box: Lasted about 5 years with judicious parts swaps.
Self-Built Athlon 64x2 box: 4 years or so. Still theoretically functional.

Try using Intel... Never had a good experience with AMD. My neighbor has a Dell Latitude D600. Its from 2003... Still used everyday and works fine.
 
Think about it, even mac fanboys can't deny a hexa-core is better than a dual core.

Well, since to many users it will make no difference, it doesn't matter that it is 'better.' Most users would benefit far more from a SSD than a faster multi-core processor, since most activities are limited by disk speed, not by cpu speed or lack of cores.
 
Well, since to many users it will make no difference, it doesn't matter that it is 'better.' Most users would benefit far more from a SSD than a faster multi-core processor, since most activities are limited by disk speed, not by cpu speed or lack of cores.

But still, you would notice a significant difference with a Hexa-Core.
 
The upgrade path of a PC isn't the best option there is. In 2002, i bought a PC, 2 years later i wanted to upgrade the GPU. The original motherboard only had an AGP slot, no PCIe, so I had to buy a new motherboard. Other socket, new DDR2-ram,... were all necessary. So I essentially, I had to buy a new computer.

Like there's already been said: try getting yourself a pc with exactly the same specs, including the IPS screen, the wireless peripherals, windows,... And see if it makes a huge difference.
 
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