If M$ is building a new OS from scratch for 2005 how will Apple compete?

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by macmax
hahahhahhahahhaha

F*** microsuck

how could one leave a thread with that as the latest post?

longhorn is going to be neato. ugly, but neato. it will be fast, feature rich, and you won't be able to play mp3s or make home movies without mortgaging your house to M$ and selling your daughters as sex slaves (also to M$). DRM is going to kill MS. activation (and the frear of what else would come) is a huge reason i left M$, and while it's quite clear to them that nobody likes that, they are going to keep doing it anyway.

 

[sawaguchishinji]

What if RIAA or MPAA (or something) forces Apple to include DRM in the OS X?

 

[FattyMembrane]

Originally posted by sawaguchishinji
What if RIAA or MPAA (or something) forces Apple to include DRM in the OS X?

i seriously doubt the RIAA could do something like this. it has been jamming its hand up the asses of American consumers a bit too brazenly and now we see companies like kazaa suing the riaa for being a monopoly. it would open up a huge legal can of worms if the courts were to say "you have to make your computers infringe upon the fair use rights of your clients". don't get me wrong, our government and the riaa are communist enough to do such a thing and the American people will just sit there and obey what they are told, but it will take finesse. also, it would probably require a hardware component like palladium, not just an alteration to the os.

 

[sawaguchishinji]

Microsoft read this post and bought Connectix!

 

[beatle888]

Originally posted by HasanDaddy
In addtion

the update will probably cost around $200

and if you buy one and install it in your friend's computer, your friend's computer will SHUT DOWN and be unusable

fock WinDoZe

oh my, windoze kills your hardware if you install the ox on two different systems with one license ? hahahahahaha.....that is hard ball

how can that be legal? even though the person
was installing it on two computers, what right do they have in damaging the hardware?
hehehe, thats so old testament eye for an eye grrrrrrrahahaha

 

[beatle888]

Originally posted by springscansing
The reason Apple always wins in the UI department is simple.

Microsoft's engineers are ugly, straight men.
Apple's engineers are hot, gay men.

I mean seriously, have you SEEN that XP interface lately? I wouldn't be surprised if it said V-Tech or Fisher Price on it.

hey are you gay?

 

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by beatle888
oh my, windoze kills your hardware if you install the ox on two different systems with one license ? hahahahahaha.....that is hard ball

how can that be legal? even though the person
was installing it on two computers, what right do they have in damaging the hardware?
hehehe, thats so old testament eye for an eye grrrrrrrahahaha

<--- observes first time he's seen beatle forego pressing the enter key every half-line.

XP doesn't render your computer unusable if you put it on two computers. you can put it on both easily. you will activate it on one, and that one will be fine. then, you will try to do the same on the other, and XP will tell you that the key you are using is already in use or something, and that you've basically got about 30 days to get a legal copy of XP to run on it. after that, if you are dumb enough to let the 30 days run out before resolving the issue, your hard drive will stop booting, as the OS has been proven (effectively) invalid. then you have to reformat and redo all your stuff, booting from a CD or a different hard drive. XP does not destroy hardware, though the user might, in frustration with it .

 

[beatle888]

im trying to be a better poster. its funny, i was just thinking as i typed that post, "i wonder it anyone will comment", many people seem to prefer that i let the forum software create my line breaks.

anyway, thanks for clearing the ms issue up for me. LOL im still laughing

 

[guitargeek]

apple should have implimented virtual desktops from day one. i don't need them, but there are a lot of people who find them helpful, and we wouldn't want ms puting a unix feature in their os first.

I'm actually surprised that they HAVEN'T. I *love* my virtual desktops, and I couldn't give them up. I would be surprised if apple didn't include them soon, esspecially if M$ is going to with Longhorn.

the sad part is that as ugly as gnome and kde are (actually, the stuff arlo rose did with crux and nautilus are pretty nice, and i rather like a lot of gnome mods i've seen), it still looks much better than xp. microsoft pays graphic designers to make the interfaces for their products and they are 10x more hideous than what coders slap together in a few weeks.

It's sad, isn't it? The gnome and KDE teams just really work on better functionality, and the GUI is more of an afterthought, while M$'s team OBVIOUSLY doesn't work on better functionality, so they must be working on getting their UI prettier, right? WRONG!

 

[pyrotoaster]

A Simple Solution

I'm just diving into this thread, but I figure there are two things to consider here:

1. Anything M$ makes will be sub-par compared to Apple. That said, M$ could make a real marketing blitz out of a new OS (because we all know how effective their XP marketing was! ), and Apple could look bad to potential switchers.

2. The solution: Apple releases Mac OS XI, or just 11 if SJ finally gets sick of the whole roman numerals thing. It wouldn't be a totally new OS, but it would obviously tote some major new features. This could be released in mid-to-late 2004 at the earliest, or just sometime during 2005.

A simple, yet elegant, solution. Very Apple.

 

[sickboy_osX]

We all saw in 1995 how many issues there were with Windows 95, a OS that was built from scratch.

I dont think Microsoft should do it, even if it is the 10 year anniversry of Windows 95. There are too many lines of code, they would have to start work on it now. And I think they are more worried with getting Windows 2003 Server out the door. =)

But then again before Mac OS X how long had Apple used the same interface??

 

[Chef Ramen]

i bet theyll finally start charging for sending email by the time this comes out

 

[atomwork]

true artist never die

Fact is that Bill Gates copied once Apple's OS system and came out big. Since then he never managed it to build a great system. How can he know. MS has no talent. Those guys just how to do big business. He only can copy whats available now. Apple and Steve will surpass every attempt with passion and innovation. just look at the products from Apple and compare them to the PC crap!

 

[MasterX (OSiX)]

Originally posted by FattyMembrane
the start menu (which is supposed to be the gateway to windows) is the ugliest, most pixelated monstrosity i've ever seen. do these people do graphic design in the dark?

Doing graphic designing in the dark isn't a problem for apple. With their 23" 16:9 HD Cinema displays Apple enginers work around the clock to produce quality GUI elements.

Since a screen is lit doing work in the dark shouldn't be a problem. OH **** i forgot. MS emplyees will be using Dell LCDs. With a contrast ratio like that you can't blame them.

 

[Dazzler]

Obvious Observations

Anyone else notice the naming structures between M$ & Apple?

With Apple software, we get lean, fast, predators at the top of the foodchain - Puma, Cheetah, Jaguar...

whilst MS are naming their software after chickens?

Does anybody else find this as funny as me?

 

[shadowfax]

Re: Obvious Observations

Originally posted by Dazzler
Anyone else notice the naming structures between M$ & Apple?

With Apple software, we get lean, fast, predators at the top of the foodchain - Puma, Cheetah, Jaguar...

whilst MS are naming their software after chickens?

Does anybody else find this as funny as me?

what about Longhorn?
careful how you respond, there are probably some UT fans here

beatle, that's groovy that you are letting the software format. I'd be the last person to say that there's no value in being unique, but the short lines compared to the common flow of the threads kinda throws me off. thanks

 

[ktlx]

Originally posted by sickboy_osX
We all saw in 1995 how many issues there were with Windows 95, a OS that was built from scratch.

Windows 95 was not built from scratch. It still had a lot of DOS crap in it to get to the new GUI. It was just integrated unlike DOS and Windows 3.1.

The closest thing to a new OS from scratch that Microsoft has done to date was Windows NT and even that was built off a base from some guy in DEC.

I am skeptical that Microsoft will really ever release something truly from scratch. They seem to be constitutionally unable to throw away legacy crap. My guess is they will get 80% finished with the new OS and then be forced by marketing and management to port a bunch of Windows XP code into it.

 

[beatle888]

Re: Re: Obvious Observations

Originally posted by Shadowfax
the short lines compared to the common flow of the threads kinda throws me off. thanks

LOL, wooooo sorta lose your balance no its cool, i dont mind. i'll conform to THIS, i suppose

 

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by sickboy_osX
We all saw in 1995 how many issues there were with Windows 95, a OS that was built from scratch.

I dont think Microsoft should do it, even if it is the 10 year anniversry of Windows 95. There are too many lines of code, they would have to start work on it now. And I think they are more worried with getting Windows 2003 Server out the door. =)

But then again before Mac OS X how long had Apple used the same interface??

Win95 is the OPPOSITE of built from scratch. It's basically just a 32 bit API and GUI for DOS. Windows NT was built from scratch (aside from the networking stack, that's BSD, same as most other systems).

 

[Chrisnorth]

New OS?

To be fair, Windows has many great GUI features. The Start menu isn't perfect and becomes downright ungainly when you have a lot of items in the program section for instance, but for average users it is quite convenient.

The real problem with MS operating systems is all the built in bloat and "security". All their operating systems smack of a "Big Brother" approach, and this is where they will continue to fail. I suspect they are complex for reasons of marketing and control, and since these appear to be fundamental tenants of the MS game plan, there is really nothing that will save MS's latest OS from its creators.

As for Apple, they have always made really attractive GUI's. As long as they can continue to produce a robust operating system with the features that Mac users want and rap it in an attractive package, they will probably continue to survive. Most Mac users and many PC users are platform chauvinists anyway, so as long as there isn't a huge and obvious performance differential, the status quo should remain pretty much as is.

 

[agreenster]

One thing Windows has that OSX DESPRATELY needs is the ADDRESS BAR. It is so nice to be able to type in the path to certain files, or go back several directories very simply and quickly. Its sometimes easy to get lost in OSX because you dont know where you are at times.

PLUS, when opening a file from an application (photoshop, for example), you cant organize your documents by date. I always sort by date to get the latest revision of something, but cant in this scenario. Its SOOOO stupid!

OSX could make some improvements in this area.