iPad Pro I'm a big iPad fan but isn't the Surface Pro more of a "pro" than the new iPads?

[secretk]

I do not doubt they have issues. It is true of every OS that implementation could lead to stability issues, which I suspect is what is being referred to here. I don't think it is fair to blame Microsoft, Google, or Apple for an IT department's poor implementation.

Agree. Now if they have issues with Microsoft own software (like say Office) then it's worth investigating .

Granted I do understand that not everyone cares about this because in the end of the day they are frustrated with their computer. They don't care whose fault it is. It just does not work for them. On the other hand blaming it on the OS itself is not always the answer either.
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Agree. Now if they have issues with Microsoft own software (like say Office) then it's worth investigating .

Granted I do understand that not everyone cares about this because in the end of the day they are frustrated with their computer. They don't care whose fault it is. It just does not work for them. On the other hand blaming it on the OS itself is not always the answer either.

iPad Pro is more powerful than the regular iPad. Honestly if someone uses the iPad mostly for apps like Procreate, Lumafusion and the likes I would recommend them the Pro because it has better CPU and RAM. That being said I am not sure that those people have performance issues with the 2017 ones so I guess for them it's not that needed to have the new ones.

I personally would not buy Pro just to use it for media consumption device but that's me. Everyone of us decides on our own how to spend our money. I am sure that the people that buy iPad Pro would not buy some of the stuff I buy .

 

[Momof9]

The ONLY drawback with Procreate (and this is an iOS problem more than a Procreate problem) is the lack of fonts / font support. If I could load up my iPad with my own fonts, then I would be nearly ready to ditch my iMac.

I just installed several the other day using any font....

Now onto the Surface - yes it is very tempting. But I had such a bad experience with the SP3 that I don’t want to go back. Their quality control is NOT good. I think they still have a lot of issues with them overheating really bad. I did like the pen (about 4 years ago) then when I picked up the Apple Pencil, there is no way I would go back.

I have not had a lot of issues with iOS. Now, my 2015 12.9” does struggle sometimes when I have more than 15 tabs open in Chrome. LOL. And I have seen problems with email (but I have a TON of email in it). I just need to do more of the heavy lifting on my 2018 iPP.

 

[sparksd]

I do not doubt they have issues. It is true of every OS that implementation could lead to stability issues, which I suspect is what is being referred to here. I don't think it is fair to blame Microsoft, Google, or Apple for an IT department's poor implementation.

Agree. I had over 175 S/W & H/W developers on my team working a multi-billion $ contract - at our burn rate and with our challenging schedule a slow or unstable environment would not have been tolerated. We also used Windows in a critical command and control system with high availability and stability requirements.

 

[flur]

As someone who used a Surface Pro at work, sure it’s a laptop replacement (as far as laptop replacements can go) but I absolutely hated the damn thing. So much so that I want to just throw it across the room many times. Just too damn buggy and was irriating. Now I use a Surface Book at work, and I hate that even more. I’ve used PC’s in the past with no problems, but there’s something about the Surface that just gets my blood boiling.

When home, I just work on my Mac or iPad Pro, and it’s a much more enjoyable experience. I use the Surface Book at work mainly because I don’t want to lug my MacBook and iPad to work and back every day, and of course because I have a docking station with two monitors.

This^^^ I don’t hate my Surface Pro, but my choices for a company machine were SP4 or one of two heavy Dells. I definitely prefer it to the series of Dells I’ve had, but I love using my Macs and I only tolerate the Surface Pro.

Also, I have to use Windows for my work, so while I can go into VM and work on my Mac in a pinch, it’s not a great long term setup.

 

[marmiteturkey]

I will continue to say there is nothing pro about ipads.....and I own one.

And I will continue to say to people who claim there is nothing pro about iPads that I am a pro - and I own an iPad - and I do plenty of work on it.

This is the daftest argument and it refuses to go away. There are so many different kinds of pro - each with their own type of work and workflow - and plenty of evidence that they are using iPads very effectively. My iPad Pro has been my go-to device for the last three years; sometimes I need to use my iMac or my MBP, but 80% of the time the iPad is the RIGHT pro device for the work I’m doing. I have converted several clients and colleagues to iPad Pros when they see how effective the iPad plus pencil is in a document markup/review workflow, esp when coupled with Office365. It’s a fabulous pro tool for that kind of work, and my go-to-device for everything except heavy PPT/excel work, which (thankfully) makes up less and less of my day.

If you can’t use an iPad in your own pro workflow, I understand that completely. And a file system and mouse support would open things up for a lot more people. But to state that the iPad is not the ‘right’ device for plenty of pros is demonstrably incorrect (by the number of pros choosing them to do great work).

 

[AutomaticApple]

smell like all the other iPads

Uhhhh…

 

[sracer]

if I had a penny for every time someone read more into Apple's use of the word "Pro" than simply as a way to differentiate a model in lineup, I'd be able to buy Tim Cook out.

This is Apple's MO. Redefine words for their own purposes. Using words like "Air" and "Pro" without indicating what THEY meant by it but allow the market to wrestle over their own conflicting definitions. It generates buzz. It generates drama. The same with their use of "Edition" and "Complication".

Q. What makes a device a "Pro" device?
A. The user.

 

[bnmcj1]

If you need to buy both a tablet and a laptop in 2018 the product line fails imo. If it is not a 2-1 at this point it is not acceptable at the current price points. Naturally two devices are not and should not be necessary for especially consumers to buy.

 

[DNichter]

Pro just means more power and features.

 

[The Game 161]

Depends what you are looking for and how much you love or hate windows.

 

[modernmoments]

I bought a Surface a few years ago before the iPad Pro. Here’s why I returned it:

It’s a so so tablet. It’s a so so laptop. It does nothing great.

I see the argument why many feel the iPad Pro isn’t a laptop replacement and I get it. But it’s easily the best tablet out there and does some laptop things well. The Surface doesn’t do either of those things really well. Just my opinion.

 

[omelet1978]

I was tempted by the Surface Pro with LTE they released last year, but as of now I've updated to the iPad Pro 11 instead.

After owning one it's neither great as a laptop or a tablet. I travel a lot, so in order to make it work for me the SP would need some sort of protective case which would add a lot of bulk and weight. I've also found more and more that it is pretty rare to actually need applications that only work on Windows, so the iPad works for me especially after being able to use split view and or picture in picture. Finally the lack of USB C means that the charger is not as portable/usable for traveling.

That being said, if next year they come up with a re-designed Surface Pro that slims down the bezels, ads USB C, and has LTE I'd be very tempted.

 

[jinnyman]

I really like conveniences of instant on and off(sleep) from iOS. Also tablet oriented UI is best on iPad, and surface pro is no match for it. Yet, I think that the current iPad Pro’s wonderful A12x chip is bottlenecked by iOS.
Apple gimped out on iOS developement for iPad, and it’s starting to eat them up.

For me, I don’t see why Apple bothers to improve chip’s performance anyway because most of stuff people do on iPad is not taxing even A10x. Only if you try to video editing which is cumbersome already for serious players.

 

[flur]

I was tempted by the Surface Pro with LTE they released last year, but as of now I've updated to the iPad Pro 11 instead.

After owning one it's neither great as a laptop or a tablet. I travel a lot, so in order to make it work for me the SP would need some sort of protective case which would add a lot of bulk and weight. I've also found more and more that it is pretty rare to actually need applications that only work on Windows, so the iPad works for me especially after being able to use split view and or picture in picture. Finally the lack of USB C means that the charger is not as portable/usable for traveling.

That being said, if next year they come up with a re-designed Surface Pro that slims down the bezels, ads USB C, and has LTE I'd be very tempted.

I purchased a felt sleeve for mine. It doesn’t really add weight a bulk and keeps the SP4 protected in my bag.

I don’t know why you think the charger isn’t usable for traveling. You just plug it into the same standard plug socket you’d use at home.

I prefer the iPad as well, but I just don’t see these things as obstacles to using the Surface. My Surface Pro is my corporate machine and I’ve traveled with it many times without issue.

 

[tongefactor40]

I was tempted by the Surface Pro with LTE they released last year, but as of now I've updated to the iPad Pro 11 instead.

After owning one it's neither great as a laptop or a tablet. I travel a lot, so in order to make it work for me the SP would need some sort of protective case which would add a lot of bulk and weight. I've also found more and more that it is pretty rare to actually need applications that only work on Windows, so the iPad works for me especially after being able to use split view and or picture in picture. Finally the lack of USB C means that the charger is not as portable/usable for traveling.

That being said, if next year they come up with a re-designed Surface Pro that slims down the bezels, ads USB C, and has LTE I'd be very tempted.

USB c... yes but I think it would be more beneficial to include thunderbolt 3. Really the only reason I haven’t gotten the sp 6 at this point. LTE only being available currently on the sp 5 is ridiculous though.

 

[redman042]

I find that these discussions about iPad vs a Windows machine like the Surface are often way too generalized. It’s not as simple as “device A is better for laptop use and device B is better for handheld use”.

It all depends on how you want to use it, what apps you need to use, what your workflow is, and many other factors. You need to think of it in very specific terms, and spend some time looking deeply at your use case.

The lucky ones will find their entire workflow can be adapted to an iPad. I say “lucky ones” because these people will enjoy all the benefits of the iPad’s design, class-leading touch and pen interface, silky-smooth UI, and problem-free OS and leave behind all the headaches of a desktop OS (viruses, conflicts, mystery slowdowns, etc.).

But many of us still need more. Maybe not all the time, but certainly enough of the time that a PC or Mac must be in the toolbox.

I am a civil engineer have a Surface Pro 4 for work, and an iPad Pro 11” for home and also some work use. I use the iPad often for work. But it needs to be a focused task like writing or reviewing someone else’s work product in PDF format. The majority of my work must be done in Windows. I need the flexibility and power of Outlook for Windows for my email. I need a good handful of windows on screen at once, including multiple instances of Word or Excel. I need to run apps that only run in Windows.

If you need to work in Windows, the Surface is a great machine for compactness, portability, and build quality. But it’s still a Windows machine, which does a decidedly mediocre imitation of a touch UI, and bogs down inexplicably on a semi-regular basis. I don’t use it in tablet mode all that often for those reasons, and also because the size and dimension ratio are somewhat awkward to hold. But I’m glad to have the option. That said, the iPad BLOWS AWAY the Surface, or any 2-in-1 Windows machine, when used as a tablet.

So if you can get away with moving enough workload to the iPad to justify buying one, do it.

 

[charlituna]

Savage has promised text support in the next update.

That’s a first for them. They never announce upcoming features so far out.

 

[EEzycade]

short answer is yes

 

[1rottenapple]

We have a surface in the home. It’s a compromised tablet imho. It’s not smooth compared to the iPad. And while yes it’s a full blown computer and is a good computer dont get me wrong, the iPad is great for what it’s built for which is for simple computer task like browsing, streaming, media, note writing. The surface is, ironically too much like a computer. There’s updates as to install constantly. It’s like an inbetween device. And I don’t know who uses the surface pro mainly as a tablet. It’s a laptop with tablet capabilities.

 

[sosumi99]

if I had a penny for every time someone read more into Apple's use of the word "Pro" than simply as a way to differentiate a model in lineup, I'd be able to buy Tim Cook out.

This is Apple's MO. Redefine words for their own purposes. Using words like "Air" and "Pro" without indicating what THEY meant by it but allow the market to wrestle over their own conflicting definitions. It generates buzz. It generates drama. The same with their use of "Edition" and "Complication".

Q. What makes a device a "Pro" device?
A. The user.

I'm not sure how this is different from any other manufacturer in terms of "redefining" words for their own purposes.

 

[sracer]

I'm not sure how this is different from any other manufacturer in terms of "redefining" words for their own purposes.

for some reason Apple fans are more hung up on Apple’s use of the word “Pro” than fans of other manufacturers. Samsung makes the Chromebook Plus and the Chromebook Pro which are nearly identical and there is nary a peep from them about the lack of differentiation between those two devices.

 

[1rottenapple]

for some reason Apple fans are more hung up on Apple’s use of the word “Pro” than fans of other manufacturers. Samsung makes the Chromebook Plus and the Chromebook Pro which are nearly identical and there is nary a peep from them about the lack of differentiation between those two devices.

Hmmm that is true. But I think apple fans are a bit more rabid then Samsung or Chrome users. When you pay $300 more for a similar device this self selects rabid fans.

 

[sracer]

Hmmm that is true. But I think apple fans are a bit more rabid then Samsung or Chrome users. When you pay $300 more for a similar device this self selects rabid fans.

exactly. That was my point... you provided the explanation.

 

[kazmac]

For me, iOS is becoming a real chore to use, and the build quality of my iPads have been okay to awful. I spent sometime sketching on the the 2018 iPP and I love the second gen pencil. Unfortunately, the iPad itself felt so fragile to me that I cannot see myself using it. I am not as gentile as I look.

I love Procreate, but outside of that and pdf mark up, but I am no longer the target audience for iPads. iOS is one of the main reasons why I am working to move away from Apple.

I enjoyed the 6 gen Surface Pro. Wonderfully responsive, great build quality and Windows 10 is much better than I remember. I love the display, but tablet mode is something of puzzle. I had no idea how to use it. So I can agree on W10 being a bit incomplete as far as a tablet. As a laptop replacement, yeah for some folks sure. The type cover is a joy to type on and feels sturdier than the ASK. Multitasking is a snap.

I really dig the Surface Book even more, so I will definitely have MS store folks show me the ins and outs of tablet mode, so I can use it for drawing and pdf markup. I am thinking about something like the Wacom replacement @guangtou mentioned too.

I so appreciate that the iPP got me drawing again I enjoyed the Apple Pencil 2 and love Procreate; but the hardware and general software experience is something I am just not feeling (I’ll probably not go beyond basic iOS phone stuff now). It sucks, but it happens.

Everyone’s needs are different and I won’t go in on the Pro debate. Whatever works for you. I am willing to try something new.

 

[1rottenapple]

For me, iOS is becoming a real chore to use, and the build quality of my iPads have been okay to awful. I spent sometime sketching on the the 2018 iPP and I love the second gen pencil. Unfortunately, the iPad itself felt so fragile to me that I cannot see myself using it. I am not as gentile as I look.

I love Procreate, but outside of that and pdf mark up, but I am no longer the target audience for iPads. iOS is one of the main reasons why I am working to move away from Apple.

I enjoyed the 6 gen Surface Pro. Wonderfully responsive, great build quality and Windows 10 is much better than I remember. I love the display, but tablet mode is something of puzzle. I had no idea how to use it. So I can agree on W10 being a bit incomplete as far as a tablet. As a laptop replacement, yeah for some folks sure. The type cover is a joy to type on and feels sturdier than the ASK. Multitasking is a snap.

I really dig the Surface Book even more, so I will definitely have MS store folks show me the ins and outs of tablet mode, so I can use it for drawing and pdf markup. I am thinking about something like the Wacom replacement @guangtou mentioned too.

I so appreciate that the iPP got me drawing again I enjoyed the Apple Pencil 2 and love Procreate; but the hardware and general software experience is something I am just not feeling (I’ll probably not going beyond basic iOS phone stuff now). It sucks, but it happens.

Everyone’s needs are different and I won’t go in on the Pro debate. Whatever works for you. I willing to try something new.

Strictly as a laptop I like the surface pro. The keyboard is great, screen is great, it feel premium and comparible to the MacBook. Only thing I noticed is the batter discharged quicker on standby mode.