Other i'm leaving the iPhone

[BellSystem]

explain the SE3 being a lot better than the SE2 despite being in the exact same case, using the same display, and the SE3 even using a faster chip and 5G, which the SE2 doesn't have.

lol.....ok here it goes....buckle up.....the SE2 came out before the SE3 lol.

That is like asking why the iPhone 14 doesn't have what the iPhone 15 does. Clearly the pricing of the components went down enough to put them in the next generation. Apple bases it's choices off margins and that is why. They aren't going to make a product that isn't within the profit margin expectations. This is also a low tier device meant for people on a budget. To make iPhones for that price point Apple is very carful not to push the cost too high. If you think they are going to make a phone that doesn't meet the profit expectations of all the others you'd be wrong.

You are not Apple's target market and they have no interest in making low margin budget phones. High volume low profit isn't how they are build for business. They are a quality brand but a brand that demands a premium and requires the customers to have some money (or be willing to go into debt). It's how they are able to sell new phones at never discounted prices and get a premium for the "low end" SE.

Does it suck for people in crap situations...yes. Do I expect Apple to care about that...no. I remember having to a use Virgin Mobile iPhone 4 when it was well past it's prime. It wasn't ideal, but I understood why it wasn't ideal and accepted it. Apple is just not a brand who cares about people not doing well and providing affordable solutions to them.

Tim welcomes you with open arms.......if you have his margin. lol

 

[firelighter487]

Thank you for the screenshot, but I meant the tab before that, which shows the screen-on time. Maybe the last 10 days if it has data? (If you haven’t used it so as to populate the last 24 hours).

you can tell when i switched away from it lmao.

also this is slightly inaccurate if it counts screen time when connected to the charger, since i often watch youtube in bed before sleeping, but it's already charging in that case.

lol.....ok here it goes....buckle up.....the SE2 came out before the SE3 lol.

That is like asking why the iPhone 14 doesn't have what the iPhone 15 does. Clearly the pricing of the components went down enough to put them in the next generation. Apple bases it's choices off margins and that is why. They aren't going to make a product that isn't within the profit margin expectations. This is also a low tier device meant for people on a budget. To make iPhones for that price point Apple is very carful not to push the cost too high. If you think they are going to make a phone that doesn't meet the profit expectations of all the others you'd be wrong.

You are not Apple's target market and they have no interest in making low margin budget phones. High volume low profit isn't how they are build for business. They are a quality brand but a brand that demands a premium and requires the customers to have some money (or be willing to go into debt). It's how they are able to sell new phones at never discounted prices and get a premium for the "low end" SE.

Does it suck for people in crap situations...yes. Do I expect Apple to care about that...no. I remember having to a use Virgin Mobile iPhone 4 when it was well past it's prime. It wasn't ideal, but I understood why it wasn't ideal and accepted it. Apple is just not a brand who cares about people not doing well and providing affordable solutions to them.

Tim welcomes you with open arms.......if you have his margin. lol

bruh the SE is the most low cost thing you could possibly make in apple's shoes. it uses a 7 year old casing, a 5 year old display, an old camera module even. pretty much all of it is re-used from models ranging up to 7 years ago. imagine how many casings they must have made to make the 6, 7, 8, SE 2 and SE 3 over the span of almost a decade.

 

[FeliApple]

you can tell when i switched away from it lmao.

also this is slightly inaccurate if it counts screen time when connected to the charger, since i often watch youtube in bed before sleeping, but it's already charging in that case.

Yeah, this is the disadvantage of Apple’s screen-on time reporting since iOS 12. It includes usage while charging, so it can be inaccurate. 24-hour screenshots have more data, but yours would be practically empty.

 

[firelighter487]

Yeah, this is the disadvantage of Apple’s screen-on time reporting since iOS 12. It includes usage while charging, so it can be inaccurate. 24-hour screenshots have more data, but yours would be practically empty.

yeah then it's inaccurate, since i often have youtube playing for an hour or more before i fall asleep since i have mild insomnia, i can't fall asleep easily so..

 

[boyarka]

Random consumer: Apple, can I have a phone that works?

Apple: no.

 

[v0lume4]

iOS 16 is that bad? A 2nd-gen iPhone SE can’t get 2 hours of SOT and one hour of music with battery left?

I don’t even think iOS 16 is the culprit, there has to be something else going on. Yes, 4.7-inch iPhones don’t have amazing battery life, but it should be enough for that without breaking a sweat.

Apple chose the 4.7-inch design as its canvas for the 2nd and 3rd-gen iPhone SE, and battery life is one drawback, yes, but it shouldn’t be that poor.

My mother’s iPhone 7 Plus just got a brand new battery from the Apple Store. iOS 15.7.x (whatever the last digit is now). About 2 hours of SOT. Mayyybe three. Apple’s shenanigans with sabotaging older devices batteries via OS updates are real.

 

[Eso]

i mean, it sat unused on my bed a whole day, no sim card since i've already moved my stuff over to my android, and it was at 83% at the end of the day... again, no use. just sitting there without a sim. it was connected to wifi but whatsapp wasn't connected anymore, that's on my new phone. so idk what it could possibly have been doing.

So now do the factory reset, don’t restore from backup and don’t sign into iClout during setup. Then monitor battery again. The battery will have drained by half as much.

 

[v0lume4]

Conversely, the battery life on the iPhone SE (2022) is insanely good. Easily a 6 hour SOT device. For a light user like myself, it is sometimes a two day phone.

I’m also still on iOS 15.7. Not updating to iOS 16 and making that mistake.

 

[CraigJDuffy]

I don’t think battery health is all too relevant, honestly. My 63% health iPhone 6s on iOS 10 is amazing with the 7-year-old original battery and almost 1500 cycles.

That’s why I ask whether iOS 16 could be that poor. Either iOS 16 obliterated the 2nd-gen SE, or the user’s usage is too heavy (perhaps too many settings on, and brightness may be too high).

It’s likely that OP’s usage pattern is simply incompatible with the device. You want the SE? Light to moderate use. If you need more, I’d get something else.

Define “amazing”? What sorta screen on time can you get because that battery is only lasting 3/5ths as long as it did new which seems worth a $30 repair to me.

 

[orionquest]

Because Apple want you to spend just as much as there pricier models cost, by gimping this phone and having to replace it in a shorter amount of time with a newer model.

Also a iphoneSE user. My phone has lots of battery issues, even though the battery state is at 89%. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Col4bin]

You’re all naive. It’s called planned obsolescence. Your battery’s fine. Apple’s purposely weakening it with each subsequent iOS update.

 

[BellSystem]

bruh the SE is the most low cost thing you could possibly make in apple's shoes. it uses a 7 year old casing, a 5 year old display, an old camera module even. pretty much all of it is re-used from models ranging up to 7 years ago. imagine how many casings they must have made to make the 6, 7, 8, SE 2 and SE 3 over the span of almost a decade.

Bruh, you are oversimplifying everything.

Just because it uses the same parts it doesn't mean they are identical parts. Just because the chassis looks the same, doesn't mean it is identical. The logic board is unique and probably the sub boards used for other components.

Macrumors arm chair engineers seem to think making products is super simple and free. Just because it uses existing parts doesn't mean it's significantly cheaper or free. The SE is a low volume product, which means its more expensive to produce than flagship products. It's only around 5% of iPhone sales supposedly. If you have never been exposed to product development/manufacturing it's easy to make broad assumptions based on what you "think" is happening. But your assumptions are going to be wrong.

But hey this is another "leaving Apple for Android" threads, so objectivity is out the window.

 

[TechnoMonk]

so i daily'd an iPhone SE second gen for the last 2 and half or so years, and i'm leaving the iPhone now.

the reason is battery life. it was ok when my SE was new, but now it's at the point where it's basically empty around dinner time, which is not fun. i'm not a heavy phone user either. i don't play games or watch movies on them, i use my computer for all of that. my phone is used for music while i'm cycling (an hour or so a day), texting and a bit of scrolling twitter when i'm outside smoking. totalling 2 hours ish of screen on time a day and an hour of screen off playing music a day.

the phone i'm switching to is an old one i bought from a friend of mine. it's a midrange phone from 3 years ago, an Oppo A72. the reason for the switch is this:

now, i haven't charged it since i got it from him. i did an OS update as it had been collecting dust for a year since he bought an iPhone 11, i installed all my apps, synced all my stuff and then used it like i normally do. all without charging it at all. and i got more than 2 days.

mind you, this phone is old. it's not brand new by any means.

this brings me onto my rant about the iPhone. why can't Apple put a decent battery in the lower end models? this Oppo was a midrange phone around the same time my SE 2 was new, and look at the difference. it doesn't take much browsing around either to find that most low end android phones that cost less than the cheapest iphone have WAY bigger batteries. why can't Apple do that?

i know if you buy a high end iPhone, you won't have problems. but why must apple be so mean to the lower end phone market? why not put a decent battery in those? i simply don't understand it.

How big is the oppo? What battery did oppo fit in to the phone. Midrange or high end isn’t much of a factor, size of battery is more important. A15 and above may improve battery with more efficiency but size of the battery is most significant factor.

 

[TechnoMonk]

Okay, if size is everything, why is my 13 mini so much better in battery life than my old 6.1” iPhone 12? And for that matter how did that third-gen SE I mentioned testing outperform my 13 mini with its even smaller battery?

Apple put a bigger/ higher capacity Battery in iPhone 13 mini. 12 mini had terrible battery, wouldn’t last a day for many. Add efficiency of a15 with higher capacity body, 13 mini became decent compared to 12 mini.
Similar to 12 Mini SE2 wasn’t great with battery life.

 

[DougiePhresh]

What?! The more expensive, higher-end, flagship models contain better components than the bottom-tier, budget, options 🤯 Someone should file a lawsuit, this is preposterous - clearly consumer fraud. Everyone should throw their Apple devices directly into the garbage

 

[Tripps9000]

i Had a iPhone SE 2 for two years as well and the battery did start to degrade over time as well so I just said to hell with it and traded it in for an iPhone 14!

 

[FeliApple]

My mother’s iPhone 7 Plus just got a brand new battery from the Apple Store. iOS 15.7.x (whatever the last digit is now). About 2 hours of SOT. Mayyybe three. Apple’s shenanigans with sabotaging older devices batteries via OS updates are real.

I’m not surprised. Apple obliterated the iPhone 6s on iOS 15 too. It’s just the normal standard.

As Apple sabotages iOS devices through their malware called iOS updates, I don’t update anything. My iPhone Xʀ runs iOS 12.

 

[FeliApple]

Define “amazing”? What sorta screen on time can you get because that battery is only lasting 3/5ths as long as it did new which seems worth a $30 repair to me.

Sure, I’ll give specifics: 7.5-8 hours of light Wi-Fi use, 6.5 hours of heavier LTE use, with full LTE and higher brightness, with 63% health. That is like-new. With the original, 7-year-old battery, of course.

You won’t find a single 6s on iOS 15 that can get anywhere close to that.

 

[one more]

OP, why not just swap the battery of your SE with a new one? They are consumables, after all. It will cost you 69$ and you would be able to use your iPhone for another few years. During that time Apple’s battery tech should continue improving and trickling down to their cheapest models too.

 

[johannnn]

* Pay Apple for a battery replacement on your iPhone SE.
* Put the iPhone SE in battery saving mode (where the battery icon on the top right becomes yellow)

These two steps are enough for you to get awesome battery on your 2.5 year old iPhone.

 

[The Game 161]

Do what makes you happy but unless you are getting a cheap pixel i wouldn't recommend any older android device thats not flagship level.

 

[okkibs]

the battery health is at 78% so...

Your battery is shot just like mine. You'll probably have around 1k charge cycles just like I do. The battery is rated for 500 cycles on all iPhones. That is not the fault of iOS 16 or Apple.

also iOS 16 is f**king horrible. i have to press the power button multiple times sometimes before the phone responds at all, apps close a lot like say i have youtube open, i go out of it to the camera app to take a quick picture and then back to youtube, youtube reloads so i lose where i was.. it sucks!

I do not have that issue on mine. I suggest you reset the phone and try it without restoring a backup, just to see if that changes anything. My SE is decently fast and really does not have these issues. But if you multitask between more than 2-3 apps, yes apps will start reloading as the phone runs out of memory. You might be using a memory hogging app that messes up memory management a bit.

Anyways, iOS 16 on the 2nd gen SE is smooth for me, despite my battery needing replacement as well.

you're living in your bubble. i got my SE 2 on contract so monthly payments, because i cannot afford it outright. $70 is also a lot of money for me as i'm on minimum income. i can't just replace it whenever i feel like it.

I am merely telling you about Apple's mindset. Fair enough, you can't spend too much money on smartphones, with today's pricing of smartphones in general you'll always get a device that lacks in one way or another. The Androids have other issues, it's your choice if you want the crappier SE hardware with iOS or better hardware on an Android. Batteries die and need replacing on Android phones as well, I'll have to replace the one on my 3 year old Pixel as well. It's no faster than the SE either on the latest Android 13.

i'm on minimum income, i can't afford that lmfao. i mean i could but i wouldn't be able to buy food. bad idea...

I get that, yet batteries die on any phone, they need replacing eventually, on the SE much sooner than on others. That's like saying your car is terrible because it keeps breaking down, yet you don't get maintenance done on it. And that is exactly what happens when you have little money available. John Oliver recently had a segment on his show about how poor people get ripped off twice because they have to buy worse quality products in the first place, that then end up failing sooner, thus requiring loans and so on to cover the unexpected expenses, which makes it of course way harder to not be poor.

Put the iPhone SE in battery saving mode

That does not do anything on mine, I have the same device with the same shot battery. Battery life really is atrocious. And even if I turn that mode on, the iPhone keeps disabling it again and again, because I now need to put it on the charger constantly, 4-5 times a day, whenever I get a moment, and afterwards iOS has disabled the mode again.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

so i daily'd an iPhone SE second gen for the last 2 and half or so years, and i'm leaving the iPhone now.

the reason is battery life. it was ok when my SE was new, but now it's at the point where it's basically empty around dinner time, which is not fun. i'm not a heavy phone user either. i don't play games or watch movies on them, i use my computer for all of that. my phone is used for music while i'm cycling (an hour or so a day), texting and a bit of scrolling twitter when i'm outside smoking. totalling 2 hours ish of screen on time a day and an hour of screen off playing music a day.

the phone i'm switching to is an old one i bought from a friend of mine. it's a midrange phone from 3 years ago, an Oppo A72. the reason for the switch is this:

now, i haven't charged it since i got it from him. i did an OS update as it had been collecting dust for a year since he bought an iPhone 11, i installed all my apps, synced all my stuff and then used it like i normally do. all without charging it at all. and i got more than 2 days.

mind you, this phone is old. it's not brand new by any means.

this brings me onto my rant about the iPhone. why can't Apple put a decent battery in the lower end models? this Oppo was a midrange phone around the same time my SE 2 was new, and look at the difference. it doesn't take much browsing around either to find that most low end android phones that cost less than the cheapest iphone have WAY bigger batteries. why can't Apple do that?

i know if you buy a high end iPhone, you won't have problems. but why must apple be so mean to the lower end phone market? why not put a decent battery in those? i simply don't understand it.

It's not about being "mean" or sweet, or what Apple can or cannot do.

It's about creating a foolproof "value ladder" by positioning each iPhone model to incentivize a larger purchase by not giving you everything you want unless you buy an iPhone Pro.

If Apple gives the SE battery life comparable to the $799 mid-range iPhone then you have one less reason to spend that extra $370 instead.

If Apple gives the $799 mid-range iPhone the same 120Hz ProMotion display as you get on iPhones Pro then you've have one less reason to spend $999 over $799.

Apple wants every potential customer to quickly and clearly grasp that the less you spend, the lower value/$ you get, and vice versa.

It's just about increasing profit margins.

 

[mac_head]

If you buy high end everything is better, it’s the laws of life. Also Apple protect their brand and known to be a more expensive phone than others hardly do sales etc

This simply isn’t true. I have an iPhone 14 Pro and battery life is beyond terrible, too. At the moment, the iPhones good hardware is held back by poor software engineering, it’s the same story as with the iPad. My battery health is at 100% and my iPhone is using 75% battery with approx. 1 1/2 hours of screen on time. Ridiculous numbers. There’s a huge thread in the forum with countless people complaining about this…

 

[sorgo †]

Conversely, the battery life on the iPhone SE (2022) is insanely good. Easily a 6 hour SOT device. For a light user like myself, it is sometimes a two day phone.

I’m also still on iOS 15.7. Not updating to iOS 16 and making that mistake.

So true. In my time with it (nearly two weeks) the SE3 even noticeably outperformed my 13 mini in terms of battery life. I do miss it for that reason, as well as for its comfy and rich LCD display. Still went back to the 13 mini though because overall it’s just impossible to beat as far as compact, modern Apple phones go. For the SE family, though, third (and first) time’s the charm, I guess