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iMac 27 - nasty and highly reflective glass; PLEASE offer the matte screen option!

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If you don't like glossy screens, buy something else. It's that simple.

No need to whine about it here.
 
knewsom said:
UGH, get over it! If you're such a pro that you need your display to be unaffected by ambient light, do what us pros ACTUALLY DO and WORK IN A DARK ROOM.

If you just don't like glossy displays, quit sniveling, and either get a different computer or buy an anti-glare film from 3M or some other company to cover your display with. Don't try and make it sound like it's such a burden to do your high end work. Give me a freakin' break.

And to all the people who keep stomping their feet and screaming that an iMac is not a pro machine, sure, it was not intended to be, but the only thing that denotes a "pro" machine is THE FREAKIN PERSON USING IT.

/rant. I'm out.
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Ditto. REAL pros make their environment work for them, or buy equipment that is suitable to their PROFESSIONAL WORK!!!
 
Kebabselector said:
It's nice to have a choice, sadly the prefered hardware vendor for quite a few people doesn't provide a choice at this price point. So to go elsewhere would take sales away from Apple. Are you happy with that?
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Why should he care one way or the other? He doesn't work for Apple. That's Apple's problem if they lose customers.
 
My intel 24" iMac (late 2006) most definitely has a matte screen. If I remember correctly, I had the option to pick glossy or matte. I picked matte after a bit of googling, but now that I am in the market again I believe I would pick glossy either way (due to where my iMac is located). Should be picking up one of the 27 inchers in January :)
 
Kalevala said:
iMac 27 - nasty and highly reflective glass; when shall we have the matt glass ?

Problems here:

*As a photographer and graphic artist, I cannot work with you. highly reflective glass monitors. Please Apple, give us a choice. If you cannot offer an iMac with a matte screen, please give us a desktop computer with the specs of the high end iMac that we can hook up the monitor of our choice into. We need a desktop Mac in between a Mac Pro and a mini. It is good Apple builds the hardware on many levels, but we need you to give us more choices… At the very least, an iMac with a matte display. Thank

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**Yesterday I tried a 27″ iMac at the Apple store in Montreal. It is such a beautiful machine, with such a horrible screen. I would have liked to buy one – I really want an all-on-one desktop, but I don’t think I will.
I’ll wait a while to see if Apple finally offers a matte screen option. If not, I’ll have to assume Apple enjoys pissing off their customers, because there’s no way they don’t know that anti-glare is better than ultra-glare.


Have Apple lost The sens of feel of phptgraphers and design peoples ? How can You do this for all Macusers and MacLovers ? Isn’t Mac anymore The macine for this kind of work ? Should I bye a PC ? (which I don not like, but there could I find the anti-glare panel. Are You still thinking Macs as designmacines and are You still going strong, as alive, Mr Jobs ? or is there some mr. Gates working in Your office to run Macs, altogether, downside ?

How in million years is possible to make the colors right if on screen has the grale, glare or whatever bad ?

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***I’m running an old G5 PowerPC Mac that desperately needs an upgrade (I need to start using an Intel chip to do iPhone app development). The new i7 iMac would be perfect for me, as it would give me a dual monitor set-up, a faster computer and Intel compatibility for a £1500 outlay. However, this glossy screen issue is completely preventing me from upgrading. I can’t afford a new Mac Pro and another decent monitor, so for now I’ll have to sit tight and hope Apple come to their senses.
We all know the glass is held on with magnets, meaning it can be swapped out almost as easily as adding more RAM. It should be a simple upgrade option for additional cost.
Come on Apple, PLEASE offer the matte screen option!
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****When you write to Apple, there is no public record, so Apple can keep pretending – as in Phil Schiller’s spin – that all Apple’s customers love glossy screens. Whereas, with this website, there is a permanent public record that Apple simply refused to listen to a substantial number of Apple customers.
Also, many of the online posts on other websites have been appended to transitory articles or forum posts – which tend to disappear from sight after the article becomes dated. Therefore, those pro-matte comments disappear from view.
Moreover, the online polls indicate that around 40% prefer matte – which means that comments left on other articles tend to be watered down by 60% pro-glossy comments. Thus, reduced impact.
Finally, you have to realise that Apple, as a corporation, is Steve Jobs personified. Notoriously, Steve Jobs does not listen to customers. Steve charts his own course, and he has a track record of picking winners, with few losers. So you need to realise that even if multitudes of Apple customers complain privately to Apple, it will do zip if Steve Jobs wants Macs to have glossy screens.
Therefore, this is not a typical case where a corporation is unaware of its customers sentiments. Here, Apple knows you want gloss screens but is doing a Steve-Jobs by saying they know better, or – worse – they just don’t care.
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Should someone care of macusers eyes in Apple Inc., possible to make the colors and seeing even normal or prehaps best possible as it was standart in the past times ? ??
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The glass screens are only shipped to Canada. The rest of the world has matte.
 
Hi, I'm new here.
I've never owned anything Apple other than an iPod.
I'm coming from a home build PC with Windows OS. Always have used M$ OS.
It's time for an upgrade, I don't have time to do another build, so am searching retail.

Must way I wasn't thrilled with what's out there. I want a quality machine (only put quality hardware in mine). And longevity.

I started looking at Macs one day. The more I researched, the more interested I became. Really had not paid much attention before.

I have to say, were it not for the glossy screen, I would be typing from a shiny new iMac. (Don't want a notebook, don't need/want a mac pro, minimac doesn't do much for me, so that only left iMacs.)

I'm still using my 7 or 8 yr old Mitsubishi 17" matte LCD. On my old PC I was getting wicked headaches (heavy use), a neurologist suggested an LCD. Think they were all matte back then. Headaches instantly gone.

It's just not feasible for me to go back to a machine that's going to make me counterproductive because of headaches.

I can't wait much longer, my motherboard is not trustworthy.
I don't understand why Apple took away this option, and don't understand why they don't offer it again. Research and reading produces petitions, articles and comments about the desire for matte screens in a Mac desktop all over the web. So for a lot of people it is a very real issue and many of us don't want to 'settle', sit in a dark room (how depressing is that?) or put horse blinders or bubbly peeling film on a sleek machine.

Sad to say it's been a deal breaker for me. I was just doing research to see if Apple has anything coming in 2010 that might resolve this, perhaps I could buy some time. That search led me here.

I fully anticipate negative responses, or telling me to go elsewhere. If you feel inclined, knock yourself out. It looks like I probably will end up with another Windows machine for years to come, and it even surprises me that I'm disappointed. Guess I was really looking forward to stepping into the world of Macs. But I'm just one of a throng of people that would like a Mac and one single feature is making it a deal breaker. Just doesn't seem like good business sense, blocking out such a larger corner of the market.
 
You probably got headaches from the refresh rate of CRTs, not the fact that they're glossy. Ergo, buy an iMac and see how you get on - you have 14 days to return it for a refund.
 
peskaa said:
You probably got headaches from the refresh rate of CRTs, not the fact that they're glossy. Ergo, buy an iMac and see how you get on - you have 14 days to return it for a refund.
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Truth. The glossy display had nothing to do with why your neurologist told you to go with LCD.
 
Would be a no-brainer to offer the matte option just like they do for laptops.


That said, glossy is king :D
 
It's not that easy unless you are talking about the Mac Pro, which is not the kind of computer someone like me would want to use!

Given the choice though I'll probably opt for the Matte option. But I can live with the gloss.
 
I'm a photographer, designer, and also programmer.
I've used both screens extensively so I guess I'll provide my thought on this...

As a photographer, I still shoot in film for quality work. Thus I have no problem with either matte or glossy because all digital-scanned photo looks weird. Even though, I still use digital on time constrain work, but I'm not so worried about the differences in colour accuracy in both form after calibrated. In fact I believe the panel matters more rather than matte v.s. glossy in colour accuracy. HOWEVER, the reflection is an issue. A lot of people suggest that I should work in a dark environment. YES, I work in dark environment and editing my digital night-scene work and GUESS WHAT??? I see myself! It has even more troubles when I wear something colourful. I see myself and anything behind me in reflection EVEN IN THE DARKROOM that I use to process my film!

As a designer and programmer, the problem is really not the reflection.
But I can sit in front of a matte screen for 3 hours while glossy only 1, then I can feel the pain in my eyes. I know I should rest more and probably go for a smoke break in between (I know it damages my body but so does millions of things that we do, including glossy screen after an hour of usage and matte in three), but when the idea comes, I can't help but keep going until my brain gets tired.

Then glossy-pro guys will probably hunt me down on why I would get an iMac but not a Mac Pro with a LeCie or Eizo...

Problem being, I don't need the pro that ECC offers. I don't need dual CPUs. I don't need the overpower Mac Pro! I could save those money to get more lights, films, or chemical. Plus, photographer and designer doesn't really make an awful lots of money.

So Please, Apple, if you would have matte screen as option in iMac or have a mid-range tower.
 
Just personal opinion here, but I would not have bought a mac if it had a matte screen. Matte screens look like *****. They just don't have the depth, pop or crispness of glossy screens.
 
peskaa said:
I wish people would stop trotting out rubbish like this.

The glossy screens are not inaccurate once calibrated, and actually perform better under direct light as matte screens diffuse the light (and hence affect the colour accuracy), whereas gloss simply has a reflection with no diffusion.

As somebody depending upon colour for your work you should also be prepared to set up your work area for best results. Essentially, this means that you position the screen/lights so there are no reflections - and in this the glossy screens win hands-down for colour.

If you're mobile and working on a laptop, you can move the laptop to your heart's delight. If you really struggle with that, Apple do offer a matte option.


I have a 27" iMac on my desk at home - zero reflections. Better colour than the ACDs I used to use. I have a 15" MBP which is also glossy, and on location I just move it to avoid glare. In the office we have a mix of matte Eizo screens and glossy iMacs, and none have glare, despite high lighting levels from overhead.

If you're a professional dependent upon colour, sort your workspace out and quit whining.
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+1000++++

Can't deal with it? Choose something else, or at least rearrange your workspace to reduce/eliminate the reflections. My i7 sits right next to a large double window, but it isn't behind me... so it isn't a bother. If the screen is dark, reflections are visible... but powered on they pretty much disappear. Also, I have shades that I draw down if I am working on something critical and there is too much light bouncing about.

In the "old" days, when all screens were shiny, reflective CRTs, we coped just fine. We had light blocking shades, we would unscrew the overhead fluorescent tubes, we wore dark non-reflective clothing (really), we also either had light shields on our monitors, or we hacked them ourselves out of foam-core and duct tape. If you had ever seen a high-end Scitex scanning/retouching room before they were always VERY dimly lit.

My i7 replaced my matte 24" iMac, and I am having no problems whatsoever. The 16gb of ram is a blessing, and it just screams through Aperture. Overall, I am very, very pleased.

Also, you can attach another monitor to your iMac (a matte one), or maybe you should have gone with a Pro...
michael
 
"If you cannot offer an iMac with a matte screen, please give us a desktop computer with the specs of the high end iMac that we can hook up the monitor of our choice into. We need a desktop Mac in between a Mac Pro and a mini. It is good Apple builds the hardware on many levels, but we need you to give us more choices… At the very least, an iMac with a matte display."

You're not the only one with this complaint.

I bought one of the last "white" Intel iMacs because I didn't like the reflections of the glossy screen.

Does not the "glossiness" come from the glass plate that sits "over" the actual LCD display panel? If so, would a non-glossy glass plate cure the "reflections problem" withOUT detracting from the quality of the display itself?

I wonder if it wouldn't be possible for Apple (or perhaps someone in the 3rd-party aftermarket) to offer a "matte glass plate" for the front of the iMac.

Apple (probably Steve Jobs himself) seems to presume that buyers should get a limited number of choices.

But since Apple seems unwilling to offer "a desktop computer with the specs of the high end iMac" at this time, perhaps the best course to actually obtain one is to put together a "mid-range Hackintosh" using off-the-shelf PC parts, with the specific intent of assembling something amenable to OS X.

There are numerous sites out there on the web that can assist in this.
 
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