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Imac 27 r580 occasional gaming
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Serious Gamers do not own Mac's.
Can we stop with this childish motto already? Serious gamers? Really? Like it's an elite of people who does serious stuff? Do I also need a keyboard and headset full of coloured led to be serious? I mean pc master race, console peasant, and so on it's very funny when you are teen but eventually it's tiring for adults....
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Bootcamp it's the only sensible option, few new metal games runs well on mac os as well so there could be hope for the future....
No Motto PJ. Simply fact. You can preach your love of Boot Camp all day to me. Unless you're willing to beta test and use drivers from bootcampdrivers.com the stock ones are mediocre at best. Also get off you Mac Soap Box, ok? I'm in my late 50's, retired, and have been a Mac user sine 1990. I don't have colored keyboards, mice, or adolescent fantasies about making an iMac into an i7 Box with an Nvidia 1080Ti with 11g, MSI Z270-A MB, and an 850w PS. If you use simulations like Prepar3D and X-Plane your not going to run those at a their true potential on a R580 iMac. You can get 30fps on X-Plane in Boot Camp at lower settings. Forget about Prepar in Boot Camp. Sorry, I prefer 50fps at Max Settings. Same for Prepar3D.
The new iMac's with the R580 do open more roads for casual gamers, but nothing more. Being a "Serious Gamer" is a broad term. It does not always correlate with a teen playing a FPS for 20hrs straight. Some of us a "Serious Simmers." However, that term is really not out there.
So take a deep breath, enjoy your games, and stay away from Glowing Input Devices.
Most of that may be true, but surely you realize you sounded like a dick right? Had you said "you need a custom pc to get the highest end of gaming" then you woulda been fine. But your broad generalization that you're not a "serious gamer" if you're on a mac is asinine. Words matter.No Motto PJ. Simply fact. You can preach your love of Boot Camp all day to me. Unless you're willing to beta test and use drivers from bootcampdrivers.com the stock ones are mediocre at best. Also get off you Mac Soap Box, ok? I'm in my late 50's, retired, and have been a Mac user sine 1990. I don't have colored keyboards, mice, or adolescent fantasies about making an iMac into an i7 Box with an Nvidia 1080Ti with 11g, MSI Z270-A MB, and an 850w PS. If you use simulations like Prepar3D and X-Plane your not going to run those at a their true potential on a R580 iMac. You can get 30fps on X-Plane in Boot Camp at lower settings. Forget about Prepar in Boot Camp. Sorry, I prefer 50fps at Max Settings. Same for Prepar3D.
The new iMac's with the R580 do open more roads for casual gamers, but nothing more. Being a "Serious Gamer" is a broad term. It does not always correlate with a teen playing a FPS for 20hrs straight. Some of us a "Serious Simmers." However, that term is really not out there.
So take a deep breath, enjoy your games, and stay away from Glowing Input Devices.
I'm curious about the comments on Prepar3D. Have you used that with the new iMac? Isn't that simulation CPU intensive rather than GPU? Is the 30 fps on lower settings something you've experienced with the new iMac, if so, which one?
I haven't purchased my new iMac yet and have never used Prepar3D before, however, it seems like I was able to get close to 30 fps on FSX on my current iMac (late 2012 i7) with medium settings. Prepare3D is one of the games I will be playing, along with Battlefield.
I haven't purchased my new iMac yet and have never used Prepar3D before, however, it seems like I was able to get close to 30 fps on FSX on my current iMac (late 2012 i7) with medium settings. Prepare3D is one of the games I will be playing, along with Battlefield.
No Motto PJ. Simply fact. You can preach your love of Boot Camp all day to me. Unless you're willing to beta test and use drivers from bootcampdrivers.com the stock ones are mediocre at best. Also get off you Mac Soap Box, ok? I'm in my late 50's, retired, and have been a Mac user sine 1990. I don't have colored keyboards, mice, or adolescent fantasies about making an iMac into an i7 Box with an Nvidia 1080Ti with 11g, MSI Z270-A MB, and an 850w PS. If you use simulations like Prepar3D and X-Plane your not going to run those at a their true potential on a R580 iMac. You can get 30fps on X-Plane in Boot Camp at lower settings. Forget about Prepar in Boot Camp. Sorry, I prefer 50fps at Max Settings. Same for Prepar3D.
The new iMac's with the R580 do open more roads for casual gamers, but nothing more. Being a "Serious Gamer" is a broad term. It does not always correlate with a teen playing a FPS for 20hrs straight. Some of us a "Serious Simmers." However, that term is really not out there.
So take a deep breath, enjoy your games, and stay away from Glowing Input Devices.
As long as your happy.
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The issue I have with Boot Camp is the Drivers are far from optimized. All Flight Sims are CPU intensive. You need the GPU for terrain rendering. You need highly optimized drivers. That ain't happening in Boot Camp.
There is nothing wrong with 30fps on lower settings. IMO it's simply not serious. I have run X-11 on a 2017 i7 at med settings with 30fps. I get 50fps on my Win Box very High settings with a RX480 with 8g. I have not run Prepar in Boot Camp. However, IMO it is more demanding
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Are you talking about the graphics drivers? I don't recall ever having an issue updating my graphics drivers to the latest drivers in Bootcamp Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but as far as I can recall, I installed them just as I would with a normal windows box.
I'm still debating as to whether to sell my iMac, get a good monitor with multiple inputs and add in a windows box and a MBP or to just get an iMac, so any input is appreciated.
I'm still debating as to whether to sell my iMac, get a good monitor with multiple inputs and add in a windows box and a MBP or to just get an iMac, so any input is appreciated.
No Motto PJ. Simply fact. You can preach your love of Boot Camp all day to me. Unless you're willing to beta test and use drivers from bootcampdrivers.com the stock ones are mediocre at best. Also get off you Mac Soap Box, ok? I'm in my late 50's, retired, and have been a Mac user sine 1990. I don't have colored keyboards, mice, or adolescent fantasies about making an iMac into an i7 Box with an Nvidia 1080Ti with 11g, MSI Z270-A MB, and an 850w PS. If you use simulations like Prepar3D and X-Plane your not going to run those at a their true potential on a R580 iMac. You can get 30fps on X-Plane in Boot Camp at lower settings. Forget about Prepar in Boot Camp. Sorry, I prefer 50fps at Max Settings. Same for Prepar3D.
The new iMac's with the R580 do open more roads for casual gamers, but nothing more. Being a "Serious Gamer" is a broad term. It does not always correlate with a teen playing a FPS for 20hrs straight. Some of us a "Serious Simmers." However, that term is really not out there.
So take a deep breath, enjoy your games, and stay away from Glowing Input Devices.
First off I don't preach, simply I don't need to tell you or anyone were I have/want to game as much as I don't need people to tell me were to.
Second you are very, very, very misinformed, in bootcamp you download simply the latest amd/nvidia gpu driver, it's not a windows laptop with custom gpu driver were you are at the mercy of the producer.....This clearly tell how much you know of the topic....you are spreading false information for your childish crusade.
P.S. I have 3 mac 1 gaming rig, 2 console a racing rig, 2 VR system (Vive and PSVR) and I game since 17 years now, I don't need pointless statement as "serious gamer play on pc" So what? What are you telling us? We need to stop? otherwise what? It's beyond me how people behave when they become fanboys....
Do you have a Glowing Keyboard?
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You'll be fine. Go with your gut.
Do you have a Glowing Keyboard?
A 6GV2 that doesn't glow but it's still strong after 7 years
I think you gentlemen have forgotten that this post was a simple question about gaming and not somewhere to argue about whatever you guys are arguing about. I'm not sure anymore. New iMac has worked perfectly for the AAA games I've played. Totally worth it for occasional gaming imo since you get Mac OS and a sleek computer
Wait, you can? Since when? I knew for a year and a half we couldn't update the crimson software or drivers at least with my 2015 imac. It wouldn't recognize the gpu as even existing. Did something change that we can now get current drivers?
I have the latest crimson software in my 2017 iMac, just updated yesterday.... it see my gpu as a normal AMD 580. Same thing for my old iMac with Nvidia 780M, I was using standard Nvidia drivers.
mhe...RAM won't do much, some games like Battlefield 1 will run better on AMD gpu, so if you connect both computer to a 1080p tv/monitor I think you will see an increase of fps on the iMac but in some games 980 will perform better even with slightly older CPU...in both case...minor differences... they are basically in the same tier 980/1060/580 you may see difference in games that use more than 4gb Vram if you play at high res...but again...generally speaking small differences
Pretty much what I thought. the 40GB RAM and i7 is for Logic Pro, and I assumed it'd have minimal impact for gaming (although it is faster RAM - DDR4 CL16, so maybe that helps?). Anyway, so the iMac version of the 580 (which I understand is a bit underclocked/constrained) can still go toe to toe with a 980? That's not too bad for a pseudo-mobile card I suppose.
Plus I was using my PC on a 1080p screen, so maybe going up to 1440 on the iMac will be the best perk I get from the whole setup. Which isn't too shabby really.
So what is the point of modded drivers like
bootcampdrivers.com
mxdriver.com
Its said you can't install the normal drivers because of some kind of a unique definition only the mac versions have.
" Official AMD drivers are not compatible with Mac versions of the graphics cards by default, leaving bootcamp users stuck with extremely dated and often poorly optimized drivers that are not compatible with the latest games. "
Or does it only refer to older macs?
I'll test it out today if normal crimson drivers work the same way as the modded one.
i5/580
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My question was, are you saying that GPU drivers cannot be updated in Bootcamp?
You stated from your previous post that one of the downsides of gaming with an iMac was being stuck with antiquated drivers. As far as I can recall, GPU drivers can be updated in Bootcamp, just as if you were running a windows only box. I don't recall ever having an issue updating GPU drivers on my current iMac. Are you saying that is not true with this new model?
EDIT: Nevermind, I just read the post above and see there is issues with updating the AMD drivers.
You stated from your previous post that one of the downsides of gaming with an iMac was being stuck with antiquated drivers. As far as I can recall, GPU drivers can be updated in Bootcamp, just as if you were running a windows only box. I don't recall ever having an issue updating GPU drivers on my current iMac. Are you saying that is not true with this new model?
EDIT: Nevermind, I just read the post above and see there is issues with updating the AMD drivers.
Do you have a Glowing Keyboard?
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You'll be fine. Go with your gut.
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Despite all the love in here from PJ Boot Camp Sucks. You can go to bootcampdrivers.com for tweaked current AMD Drivers for Boot Camp. Make SURE you read the known conflicts. You're a Beta Tester. The Boot Camp Install is new for the 2017 iMac. You must eject all external drives ( see Black Screen of Death in 2017 iMac Forum on Apple.) The best place for Boot Camp answers that are legit is on Apple's Community Forums. Specifically iMac. You'll find a wealth of expert assistance.
As I stated prior, you'll most likely enjoy X-Plane on a 580 i7 iMac in Boot Camp. It will need to be Med-Low graphics and will run 27-30fps. There is nothing wrong with X-Plane 11 at 30fps. I'm very intense in my Flight Sims. That won't cut it for me. My iMac is for my day to day work flow, along with my iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, and Airport Extreme (for now.)
I know no one running Prepar3D on a Mac. I'm sure it can be done, with the appropriate compromises. How much do you want to "Compromise?" That is the real question.
This will be my last post in this thread.
Running X-Plane (10 or 11) on a Mac with an AMD grfx card runs usually better on macOS than on Windows.
With nVidia cards it's usually the other way round.
With nVidia cards it's usually the other way round.
Oh man I can't wait to order new iMac and do a bootcamp on it. I want to use this computer for video editing and gaming for the next 2 years. It will by my daily driver, main machine in Scotland where I'm learning.
Currently I'm using MacBook Pro and Mac mini here in Poland and I love this little computer, but there are not enough for my new needs. I mean, MBP is perfect for college, do some Photoshop, xCode and web development but it sucks on gaming (I was running CS:GO and it wasn't pleased experience - I mean, it was playable, but nothing more).
Some people say: don't buy iMac for gaming. Yeah, that's true. But I think most of us buy iMac for macOS, for quality, for screen. And if you will assemble a PC with i7, 1TB SSD and 5K monitor - it will costs similar price. It's true and you know it. And the look? One of the YouTubers said that iMac looks like a $2k computer, when the PC with similar specs and screen looks like... well.. PC.
Besides, what if I will buy iMac now and PC only for gaming year or two later?
We live in XXI century, and we can get as many computers and electronics as we want and can afford for it.
I love Apple machines and I think that this generation of iMac is the first good one for gaming.
I will try, pull the trigger and see what happens.
Currently I'm using MacBook Pro and Mac mini here in Poland and I love this little computer, but there are not enough for my new needs. I mean, MBP is perfect for college, do some Photoshop, xCode and web development but it sucks on gaming (I was running CS:GO and it wasn't pleased experience - I mean, it was playable, but nothing more).
Some people say: don't buy iMac for gaming. Yeah, that's true. But I think most of us buy iMac for macOS, for quality, for screen. And if you will assemble a PC with i7, 1TB SSD and 5K monitor - it will costs similar price. It's true and you know it. And the look? One of the YouTubers said that iMac looks like a $2k computer, when the PC with similar specs and screen looks like... well.. PC
.Besides, what if I will buy iMac now and PC only for gaming year or two later?
We live in XXI century, and we can get as many computers and electronics as we want and can afford for it.
I love Apple machines and I think that this generation of iMac is the first good one for gaming.
I will try, pull the trigger and see what happens.