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firmware update did not work for me

Hello all,

Originally, my freezing consisted of freezing Warcraft III cinematics for a minute, cinematic video motion on for a few seconds, then repeat freeze, however the actual game was playable; and an un-playable command and conquer generals with in-game freezing cycles that were completely unplayable.

The most recent iMac software update (not the firmware update) appeared to correct my problems, and I though all was finished. I had installed the recent firmware update, and decided to give my iMac 24" 2.4 ghz a test.

I downloaded the Crysis Demo and ran it through Boot Camp (Windows XP). As it is a very hardware intensive PC game I thought it would be a good test. The opening logo cinematics had freezing cycles of about 1 second. The opening game menu was slightly slow. However the game worked in boot camp well with 1 crash. I then restarted Warcraft III in OS X 10.4.11, and had return of original freezing problems described above.

Not sure what the problem is. Starting to think it is multi-factoral with heat as one part.
 
Ratings

Why so many negative ratings on this, it looks like this solves the problem in the vast majority of cases? I only count about three posts on this whole thread that either didn't fix it or caused another problem.

What's up with that?

Those poor souls who have grown so impatient, instead of being grateful for the fix, may have based their response upon their feeling: "What took them so long?"
 
My iMac didn't freeze after I had done a clean install of Leopard.

It did once after I'd upgraded to 10.5.1 + ATI firmware upgrade.


Now being put under observation.

It has been turned on for the pass 1 week.
 
Why so many negative ratings on this, it looks like this solves the problem in the vast majority of cases? I only count about three posts on this whole thread that either didn't fix it or caused another problem.

What's up with that?

You have to remember that some people vote negative just to do it.:confused:
 
Those poor souls who have grown so impatient, instead of being grateful for the fix, may have based their response upon their feeling: "What took them so long?"

Thats interesting, grateful for a fix? I didn't have an issue with my iMac but I think over three months is long by any standard to come up with a firmware fix.

Quality control has dropped without doubt, for my second iMac too 5 before I could get one without at least 3 stuck pixels. That unacceptable when your paying over 2000.00 for a system.

On the up side I can say while I was trying to get a good iMac the Apple Store staff was great as always. Even they said they were embarrassed.
 
Fix

Thats interesting, grateful for a fix? I didn't have an issue with my iMac but I think over three months is long by any standard to come up with a firmware fix.

Quality control has dropped without doubt, for my second iMac too 5 before I could get one without at least 3 stuck pixels. That unacceptable when your paying over 2000.00 for a system.

On the up side I can say while I was trying to get a good iMac the Apple Store staff was great as always. Even they said they were embarrassed.

Considering that mass production and consumption has grown exponentially during the past 11 years, plus the fact that Apple's prices have been forced to become competitive with PeeCs, the quality of Apple's products remains quite high, by any standard.

This ATI graphics card problem affected greater or less than 12% of new iMac owners, and was due to a component not manufactured or overseen production wise by Apple. Coming up with a fix required first identifying specifically which batch of ATI cards had interface/memory problems, and then rewriting code for that specific firmware/memory address glitch. In the interim, Apple gladly swapped iMacs for new ones - this is where quality assurance counts the most, well above quality control. When a problem surfaces, will the company address it, remediate it until a solution is found, and then produce a solution? Regarding this case, 3 months is not an unreasonable time to produce a fix for this problem.

As far as pixels are concerned, I own more than 2 dozen Apple LCDs in the form of iMacs and/or 23"-30" monitors - never had a bad pixel. Apple does stand by their hardware, as well as components manufactured by other vendors, and will replace whatever it is to your satisfaction. This has not been my experience with Dell.
 
not my experience

Considering that mass production and consumption has grown exponentially during the past 11 years, plus the fact that Apple's prices have been forced to become competitive with PeeCs, the quality of Apple's products remains quite high, by any standard.

This ATI graphics card problem affected greater or less than 12% of new iMac owners, and was due to a component not manufactured or overseen production wise by Apple. Coming up with a fix required first identifying specifically which batch of ATI cards had interface/memory problems, and then rewriting code for that specific firmware/memory address glitch. In the interim, Apple gladly swapped iMacs for new ones - this is where quality assurance counts the most, well above quality control. When a problem surfaces, will the company address it, remediate it until a solution is found, and then produce a solution? Regarding this case, 3 months is not an unreasonable time to produce a fix for this problem.

As far as pixels are concerned, I own more than 2 dozen Apple LCDs in the form of iMacs and/or 23"-30" monitors - never had a bad pixel. Apple does stand by their hardware, as well as components manufactured by other vendors, and will replace whatever it is to your satisfaction. This has not been my experience with Dell.



WRONG. They did NOT gladly swap iMacs for new ones if you bought it from online store. I went through all the steps on Applecare, wasted over 3 hours of my time, during a reinstall had a hair-brain tech almost lose all my personal data during leopard reinstall in form of "click install" "oh wait a minute better check preferences" too late dumbass!! fortunately archive and install is default. Yes I was backed up with time machine, but don't trust apple backup software - even time machine - to get it back yet. Was going to do it manually. In the end I could lock this MF up within a minute or two of startup and proved it. Asked kindly for them to just swap me with a new one - NO. I was told it had to go through shop for warranty repair because I was beyond 15 day return policy. I said "so I'm screwed for trusting in Apple when they said 'be patient a fix is coming'?" Sorry was the techies answer. Repair shop an hour away. I have bought over 6 macs in 2 year period after switching, have converted 3 of my friends. Love Apple, hate their "go f-yourself" Steve Jobs attitude. Not happy with the way they handled this mess. Next mac will be bought at an apple store (3 hours away) so I can look someone in the eye and say "I want my money back now, or you will have a public scene on your hands - better go get your manager." It is so easy for them to tell the customer to F-off over a phone. That is how I feel about this mess. And I'm a lucky one, I was smart enough to keep my Albino intel iMac in case of a problem like this. Poor college kid with no computer for a month or so, I feel for ya!

(oh yeah, so far update seems to be working.... whew...)
 
I voted positve, because mine didn't start freezing until Leopard, and then it was mostly a TimeMachine trigger. So, I didn't suffer long, and welcomed the fix.

But, I understand Above. Apple got it fixed reasonable fast, but their lack of internal communication is very frustrating. They obviously knew about the problem, for some time. They also knew for some time, that it could be fixed with an update. Yet, they continue to deal with customers on a case-by-case, wasting a lot of their time, and generating unneeded frustration. Are they afraid to say, yes we know about the problem and a fix will be coming soon? Or better yet, offer beta code to the most sever cases? Instead they treat you like you're the only one with this issue, and put you through the paces, as a delay tactic so you don't demand a refund before they get a fix. Crappy way to do business. This isn't isolated.

I went through the same thing with my iPhone. Called about a problem, spent a good deal of time on the phone. Loaner shipped out. Same problem, more time on the phone. Days passed, more time on the phone. Finally it was a confirmed problem Dev was working on. No ETA on a fix. At least it's just one feature broken, not an unusable computer(iMac). Piss poor way to treat customers.
 
Those poor souls who have grown so impatient, instead of being grateful for the fix, may have based their response upon their feeling: "What took them so long?"

The only poor souls here are pitiful slobs like yourself who think iMac owners should be "grateful" for having to wait months -- without any explanations -- until they had a product that worked like it should.
 
Indeed it isn't isolated. Trouble with communication about problems has been pretty systematic with Apple. If you look at many legitimate issues people had in the past, you'll see that they always stay silent or deny that there is an issue until they have a fix. Sometimes when the issue isn't too widespread, they'll deny forever and don't bother with a fix and the product is just EOLed. And all too often the phone support or geniuses are outright lying, telling you that they've never seen the problem before.

Apple's products are great when they work, and when there are individual issues they'll usually resolve them pretty neatly for you. But when they have an issue which is fairly widespread and they don't have a fix (yet/at all?), they can be extremely frustrating to deal with.
 
auto install of firmware update failed

Automated installation of this update on my 24" iMac failed in an interesting way: Software Update downloaded the package, appeared to install it, listed it as installed, and then I quit Update. I assumed the firmward had been updated, but the next time I shut down my computer a license agreement dialog box popped up just after I confirmed the shutdown request, so I was unable to click Continue.

At the next boot, Software Update announced I still needed to install the firmware update. I clicked install and the same process occured: download, appears to install, declares installed. Just to test it, I called for a restart and sure enough, just as the system begins to shut down, the Firmware license agreement window popped up.

I manually downloaded the update from Apple and installed the pkg file. Apparently after the Software Update install occurs, the actual firmware updater application is supposed to launch. It would not on my system, but would with a manual install.

I tried to search this thread to see if others were experiencing this issue, but didn't see anything. Anyway, this is an FYI for anyone who gets repeated notifications to install the firmware through Software Update: try manually installing the pkg.
 
indeed!

Yep, there it sits in the utility folder. I'm assuming I can safely delete it now that I installed it manually?
 
You're not alone - many people (myself included) are in the same boat. Apple's Q4 iMac sales have the potential to be quite strong as a result! ;) :cool:

Meh, I dunno.

How many actual possible future consumers actually know about this problem and are "waiting it out."

Not many at all if I had to guess.
 
Has anyone else noticed their GPU idle temps have dropped since this update? Prior to the patch, my idle temp hovered around 56-57 degrees and now I find it always at 52-53 degrees. A 4 degree drop in temperature may not be statistically significant (7% reduction) but Ive noticed this now multiple times over the last day.
 
Has anyone else noticed their GPU idle temps have dropped since this update? Prior to the patch, my idle temp hovered around 56-57 degrees and now I find it always at 52-53 degrees. A 4 degree drop in temperature may not be statistically significant (7% reduction) but Ive noticed this now multiple times over the last day.

That seems pretty high for an idle temp compared to mine. I've just come back to my machine after a couple of hours where it has been on running screensavers and the temp is current as follows (using iStat):

CPU A: 37
GPU: 45
GPU Diode: 47
GPU Heatsink: 44
Ambient: 22
Memory: 39
Airport: 35
HD Bay 1: 45

Is your ambient higher than mine or do you have your machine boxed in where airflow is reduced?

Regards,
Craig.
 
Meh, I dunno.

How many actual possible future consumers actually know about this problem and are "waiting it out."

Not many at all if I had to guess.

Me,for one! I was waiting for a fix, and, as they say, "the fix is in"! I ordered mine (first of two) yesterday.
 
Is your ambient higher than mine or do you have your machine boxed in where airflow is reduced?

Craig,
Yeah using iStat my temps are as follows:
CPU A: 41
GPU: 52
GPU Diode: 54
GPU Heatsink: 49
Ambient: 26
Memory: 44
Airport: 63
HD Bay 1: 56

I live in a manhattan studio apartment and its gets super warm in this place with all the electronics running. My Airport temp seems ridiculously high... but there are like 40 different WiFi networks in the area - not sure if that is the reason.
 
This update save my life. Well ok it didn't save my life but it did stop my new iMac from freezing up. I got a new 2.8 iMac last week and it started freezing up from the first day. I did several reinstalls, using the Tiger -> Leapord disks that came with the iMac to my own Leapord disc. And never went longer then 2 days without an issue. Sometimes it wouldn't even boot it was so bad. I ened up on the phone with Apple support for over 2 hours and they finally said it must be defective and offered me DOA return which I accepted. Next day this update comes out, I installed iin and haven't had a problem yet. So going to hold onto this one for a few more days, before I cancel the RMA from apple. If this one works, not sure what the next one could have wrong with it :);
 
I dont have the computer that this thread pertains to, but my computer (see my signature) by coincidence started freezing yesterday, too o_O
This only happens with iTunes, though. I open it, and after a few seconds i get the "spinning wheel of death", then i have to force quit it... :(
do you think this update will fix this??
 
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