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Dude just don't buy one then... simple. I don' get why the 'i built my computer' camp are constantly going on and on and on and on...... If you don't like it, don't worry yourself or waste your time with it.

I have just bought my first mac, and i love it!!! Do i think it was expensive? No. I bought a HP and a Sony for more than that. Both are now screwed.

Also, i personally can't be bothered wasting my time building a computer. In regards to the 'wasting money on advertising', apple is one of the most valuable brands in the world. So i am sure they know what they are doing.

It's an interesting point and I don't get it either, but it does certainly lend itself to a fascinating psychological study.

So you built a faster and cheaper computer? Well done. Why the need to come onto forums like these and tell the world about it? What do you want? A noddy badge? Approval? Why not spend your time using the machine or with your family or something instead of writing essays, arguing on the net and trying to convince people that they are stupid for not doing the same thing. What possible satisfaction can one get from that?

Enjoy your machine and let others enjoy theirs. It's like coming onto an exotic car forum and telling people that you've built a mustang that's faster on the quarter mile and cheaper. Good for you.
 
Last week I had to reinstall my video drivers 5 times because the windows update screwed everything up - again.

WTF? Why do you people always complain about Windows update supposedly screwing up this or that? I've never, ever ever EVER had a Windows update screw anything up...not even back in the days of raw, pre-service pack XP. I've found updates tend to fix problems rather than create them.

Also, in the case of video drivers, I prefer to download them directly from the manufacturers' website...in my case NVIDIA.com.

If your Windows installation is truly screwed up, reinstall it. I can't stress that enough. REINSTALL. YOUR. OS. IT. WILL. FIX. EVERYTHING. SHORT. OF. LEGITIMATE. HARDWARE. ISSUES.

Last month I had to bring the tower in after I was infected with a virus or whatever it's called these days that came from who knows where.

>paying someone to remove a virus that anyone could easily remove themselves completely for free

I'll tell you where it came from...you installed it yourself. If you were...erm...a bit brighter, you'd know exactly what to watch out for. It's simple.

My computer IS furniture in my house and it is f'n ugly.

HAHA, oh wow...

Now to those with the knowledge, you may be able to build a better engine out of various parts to play games etc. I have neither the time nor the interest to go there.

It takes 10 minutes to build a computer. It's as simple as fitting Legos together. No, I'm serious. Every component fits in a specific slot...wrong component? Won't fit. Everything goes in a certain place. Simple.

Mac is sexy simplicity and it is safe.

.....HAHA, oh wow, again.

THAT is why I will pay the extra money for it. With a smile on my face.

Meanwhile, at an Apple shareholders' meeting:

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

FPS? Couldn't care less. Internal access? Not going there. Overclocking? Whatever for? Blue ray? That's what my entertainment system is for.

lololololololol

Goodbye windows. I will not miss you. Rip off? Only my panties when my Mac finally arrives. ;)

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By way, if this is a troll then I give you a 10/10 for getting me to respond.
 
WTF? Why do you people always complain about Windows update supposedly screwing up this or that? I've never, ever ever EVER had a Windows update screw anything up...not even back in the days of raw, pre-service pack XP. I've found updates tend to fix problems rather than create them.

As a Windows developer (C#) I will tell you this... It happens all the time. MS has a history of breaking things with their updates and if you have never had a problem then you are either lucky or not using many functions on the machine. We constantly have to fix code because of their updates and if you visit any dev forum you will find it laced with complaints of this level.
 
Trolling...

As one who used to pay 7-9 grand for a Pro workstation, and now only shell out about half of that... The iMacs are a steal and the packaging looks nice as well. I am happy you are talented enough to build a computer out of a shoe box, some duct tape, and some random parts... Most folks can't do that, so it isn't an option for them.

Not happy with the iMac? Don’t buy one. Just do it quietly... You are definitely posting in the wrong place if you are looking for support and accolades.
Cheers,
Michael
 
I buy Macs because I prefer using OS X on a daily basis over Windows 7, even though the gap is really narrowing. I hope Lion is a good leap forward.

Whoever was saying the iMac is a rip off clearly doesn't follow current technology correctly. In a straight line comparison, the iMac is a great deal. A Dell U2711 is going for about $1250 CAD + GST (5%) + Recycling fee. So about $1270 pre-tax. If all you're getting is another monitor to compliment your 27" iMac, the U2711 is a great product. I use one with my 27" iMac.

What's a Z68 (or P67, since you can't buy a Z68 yet) mobo + Core i5 2500 or i7 2600? Let's say you get a lower cost mATX mobo for $130. Core i5 2500 is $220 and i7 is $310. So between $350 and $440.

DVD Drive. $20. Nothing special. Book it in. Wireless keyboard and mouse is around $50 to start. Book it. $13 for a Bluetooth 2.0 USB dongle. $50 for 802.11n USB adapter (since I can't find a 450Mbps 802.11n adapter for less than $80, and I doubt most people have 450Mbps capable routers,) so book that.

i5 = 1270 + 130 + 220 + 20 + 50 +13 + 50 = 1753
i7 = 1270 + 130 + 310 + 20 + 50 +13 + 50 = 1843

Apple's i5 iMac is $1999 CAD. The i7 is $2199.

So given that I now have $246 (i5) or $356 (i7) to spend on 4GB of RAM, a 1TB HD, a case, power supply, a video card, and a Windows license, that might be tough considering what I'd want to put in.

This is why I prefer the iMac over building my own PC from scratch. You may just want a 1920x1080 24" or 27" monitor, but I want the high res. In the end, it'd be about the same price (ie a wash.)

From a Mac side of things, I like how it's all in and ready to go. Yes, I lose the easier upgrades and expansion, but I gain a more efficient computer (find a decent PSU for your PC that does min. 87% efficiency on 115V, as that's what's included in the 27" iMacs.) And yeah, I lose the flexibility of picking and choosing most of the parts, but that's fine. I'm not super keen on Apple charging $200 on what amounts to be a $90 CPU upgrade, but I'll deal with it.

My everyday computer is an iMac. I game on my iMac, because it's perfectly fine, and I do have an X58 i7 930 with a GeForce 580. Only time I boot into Windows is for the odd game and to use my OBD2 reader, if needed. Most of the time, my wife does her stuff on that computer.

My file server is a Win7 box, because I'm not daft enough to buy a Mac Pro just for that. That puppy is an Antec 300, Corsair TX 550, 5x2TB WD Caviar Green drives, Core i5 661, 4GB RAM, Gigabyte mATX 1156 mobo. Because that makes sense.

Not everyone who buys an iMac is going to game. The fact that it has a Mobility GPU in it? Who cares? Most people are still gaming with old GeForce 8800/9800s (according to Steam hardware survey.) I'm pretty sure that even my 4850 in my 2009 iMac is faster than those cards, even though it is a mobility chip.

With your logic, you could say I should sell my Mercedes and get a Ford Fiesta, because it does the same thing and costs less. But I'm pretty sure I'm going to agree to disagree with you on that one.

No product is perfect. The iMac isn't perfect. Your PC is far from perfect. Everyone wants a good performing product for the price, hence why you only have a GeForce GTX 460 (I'm assuming a 1GB, only someone daft would get the 768MB crippled performance version.) So I wouldn't say that the iMac isn't good (as you did.) I'd say it's great. I'm sure your PC for gaming is great too. In the end, it's what makes you happy.


Anyways...

So to mosx, who said that they could get a Phenom CPU with a motherboard for $100. How much crack have you been smoking in the past few days? I can get a Sempron and an AM3 board for $110 minimum, but I wouldn't even use that for a NAS build.

And mosx, for the Sandy Bridge procs in these new iMacs, Apple is using the full desktop ones (at least in the 27" ones, ie, the ones I care about.) Sure, I don't get the K version, but I'm not overclocking the CPU anyways, so it doesn't matter to me.
 
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I wish there was a truly matte option for my iPad and iPhone. I have a matte display for my desktop, and there isn't a single lighting condition where I can't use it. My Apple products though? There are definitely places where I have to watch where or how I sit to be able to see the screen.


A Glossy display has a crisper and sharper picture. Impossible on a matte display. Most professionals in my line of work use glossy displays, with a anti-gloss treatment. Glossy displays give a better picture.


Also, again, Apple uses edge-lit LED backlighting. So there is no real world advantage over CCFL other than "instant on" and possible, but not always, power savings.

Trolling much? No advantages. Ok. :rolleyes:

Apple using low grade Sandy Bridge Processors?

I didn't know that the Core i7 2600 or 2600S was low grade.









There is absolutely no reason the $1,999 iMac should cost what it does. The $1,499 iMac is even more so overpriced. 21" IPS displays can be had for around $200-$250. When you factor in the rest of the cost of the components, even using overpriced components, the total system cost should be no more than $800 with the display.


You cannot just take any IPS display and say it should cost this much or that much. Not all IPS displays are the same. Not this stupid argument again. Really? $1500. Give me the average price for each not including what I left out. Put your money where your mouth is. Average prices. Go Ahead.

The 27 inch is even a bigger bargain.

Quad-core Intel Core i5 2500s with 6MB on-chip shared L3 cache

1 TBWestern Digital 7200 RPM hard drive

4 GB of RAM

AMD Radeon HD GDDR5 graphics processor

Thunderbolt port and controller

450 MPS 802.11n Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR

Intel Z68 Motherboard

SDXC card slot

LM215WF3 IPS LED 21.5 inch display

Sony optical drive

Ambient Light sensor

HD camera

Microphone

Speakers

Broadcom BCM2046 Bluetooth IC

All aluminum enclosure

Glass front.

wireless keyboard

wireless multi-touch mouse

OS with:
Photo Suite
Movie Suite
e'mail client
with compariable programs that OSX is already installed with.

Now build me a Windows PC with all the specs above for $800.00
Doesn't have to be exact. But close.
Than include the OS with comparable programs that OSX already comes with. Software is part of the equation.

If you can do that, good luck to you and I will give up Apple forever and just use Windows, nothing else.

Windows Update can't "screw up" your video drivers. If something happened like that and a reinstall didn't work, then you did something else.



More crap. Windows does nothing wrong. Works perfect most of the time? Sure it does. Stop drinking the cool aid.

The problem with windows is the hardware doesn't talk to the software very well.

It was nothing she did, Windows does not work very well for the average consumer. They buy them because they are cheap, nothing else. You act no one on here uses Windows. Everyone on here uses Windows. We know what it does, it's shortcomings and it's benefits.



Again, this is something you did. The only way you can get any sort of malware in Windows these days is to actively do it yourself. Unlike this: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/02/macdefender-malware-targeting-mac-users/

You can get malware because Windows is a insecure OS. Has nothing do to with the user. Open a e'mail and you have malware. Is that the users fault? How prevelant is malware in Windows than OSX. The difference is that it still need permission in OSX from the user to execute. Windows Malware does not. The link above relies on the user to execute the malware and give it permission. You have it backwards.;)

Note: Still not one Virus in the wild that has infected a wide number of OSX users. Not one.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/05/04/is-mac-under-a-virus-attack/?section=magazines_fortune


Windows 7 is still a joke compared to OSX. You can't be serious? are you. I own both and Windows 7 while better than Vista, the simplicity of OSX and well.....' it just works'. There not even comparable. Don't kid yourself.

It still has "permissions' issues, administrator issues, hardware issues. It still gets viruses, spyware, trojans, malware etc and the list goes on. You still have to put software to "fix' software. Some hardware is not recognized 'at all without the proper drivers, none of which Windows provides.

Windows 7 is still a joke no matter how you look at it. I don't care if you have a 16 core processor and three graphics cards in one box, hardware is only as good as the software that runs that hardware. How often do you have to update 'drivers' and get "updates' to fix problems only to find out that the 'fixes' actually causes more problems or makes them worse.

I gave my Dell to my six year old, she even gets frustrated with it. I have a Wifi card installed and you have to 'restart' the computer for the WiFi to connect, there is a 'driver' issue with Windows 7 I was told by a microsoft rep. And that rep happens to be my brother in law, and yes he has a Mac.

I consider Windows to be a 'virus', it breaks everything it touches, and frustrates every user to ever use it. The user you are saying is "their fault' is no exception.

You know of what I speak of. Everyone here does.

You're barking up the wrong tree here. Your not going to a hassle free machine with a OS that was designed to work with multiple hardware manufactures, there will always be headaches. As with the other Windows machines I have used over the years, Windows 7 is no different, it has it's shares of problems.

More than OSX, that is a fact. For the simple fact that OSX is better designed, more powerful and more importantly runs on hardware that it is designed to run on.

You're all happy now since you have no issues, .....yet. Does that even tell you something, that your happy you don't have problems? Think about that for a moment.

And the argument that OSX is not as widespread and it's marketshare protects it is nonsense. You, don't kid youself, as it seems you already have. Like I said you're barking up the wrong tree and it seems the jokes on you.

There is only one reason and one reason alone as to why there have been no known viruses to date for Mac OS X... because it is amongst the most inherently secure commercially-available operating systems on the market.

Can you say"UNIX". Look it up. You will get my meaning. Here I will help you.

"Unix operating systems are widely used in both servers and workstations"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix

Microsoft vs UNIX.

http://www.kernelthread.com/publications/security/uw.html


The whole "security through obscurity" argument is nothing but a cop-out for those who either can't understand why or simply refuse to admit that the Mac is a very secure platform.

Apple is enjoying its largest market share since the 1980s... there are millions and millions of Macs in service and on the web, so it's hardly obscure. If one honestly thinks that it's simply not "worth it" to try and exploit damn near 1/10th of a pie that's as big as the computer market, then they're delusional.

Even if that remotely held the tiniest bit of water, then how does one explain the fact that the Classic Mac OS had several (relatively speaking) well known viruses/attacks, especially when their market share was much lower in those days?

Even more telling is the existence of hundreds of different kinds of malware out there which are written for linux... Linux is used by what - 1% of the market?

The argument that there's nothing worthwhile to be found on Macs doesn't stack up well either. It is fairly common knowledge that Mac users, on average have both higher incomes and higher disposable incomes, especially due to their perception as nothing more than a high-end "luxury" item. Mac users store financial information on their computers just like everyone else... So if one of every ten computers is owned by someone who may very well have higher than average assets, then how is that not an attractive target?

The current Mac OS must be the "holy grail" of hackers, et al. It is impossible to fathom that untold numbers of hackers simply give the Mac a free pass and leave it and its users to their own devices totally unscathed.

OS X has been on the market now for 10 years... In terms of computers that's eons, yet nothing has gotten out into the wild - even despite the fact that there have been full-fledged contests held to exploit the system.

I'm not so naive to think that there might never be any kind of malicious code(virus) released to exploit the Mac, but neither am I so naive to think that there hasn't been countless numbers of people out there who have tried unsuccessfully to do so over almost an entire decade's time.

If you don't like Macs' don't buy them, it's as simple as that. Don't chastise the people who do.
 
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Oh for gods sake:

If you like Windows and are happy with whatever issues it brings you (I hate it, Im a developer and film editor, and I don't like rewriting applications so they work with whatever combination of things patches have broken or changed that month), then buy a PC, use it, be happy with it, and stop complaining about Macs costing too much - you evidently don't want one.

If you like Mac OS X, simplicity yadda yadda yadda, or like me you use Apple Software (Final Cut Pro, XCode, Logic Pro), then buy whatever Mac(s) suits your use most, and stop bashing windows. It achieves nothing, and if Windows users are happy with their badly built broken machines, then let them be. If you think the value of OS X makes up for the price difference (I personally do) then use it, and forget about windows.

BOTH SIDES STOP BASHING. YOU ARE ACHIEVING NOTHING. NOBODY OUTSIDE IN THE REAL WORLD CARES.
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WTF? Why do you people always complain about Windows update supposedly screwing up this or that? I've never, ever ever EVER had a Windows update screw anything up...not even back in the days of raw, pre-service pack XP. I've found updates tend to fix problems rather than create them.

Also, in the case of video drivers, I prefer to download them directly from the manufacturers' website...in my case NVIDIA.com.

If your Windows installation is truly screwed up, reinstall it. I can't stress that enough. REINSTALL. YOUR. OS. IT. WILL. FIX. EVERYTHING. SHORT. OF. LEGITIMATE. HARDWARE. ISSUES.

Yeah and if you go to the NVIDIA.com forum, you will see loads of help posts for people who installed windows updates and had their drivers go wonky afterwards including my GeForce 9800GTX.

How many times a year am I supposed to reinstall the OS? Forget it. That's why I'm moving to Mac.

>paying someone to remove a virus that anyone could easily remove themselves completely for free

I'll tell you where it came from...you installed it yourself. If you were...erm...a bit brighter, you'd know exactly what to watch out for. It's simple.

Brilliant, why didn't I think of that?

*sigh* Along with the AVG, spyware and reg mechanic that I am looking forward to kissing good-bye is the worry that this crap is going to happen in the first place DESPITE having these programs installed.

I've got two young kids and hubby that also use my computer. And yes, a few months back he opened an email that looked like a legit message from his friend that was infected. And I had someone professionally clean up the computer because I use it for personal banking amongst other things, so I want it done right.

You can take that brighter comment and shove it. If it were that simple, viruses wouldn't exist. The fact that Macs have about 1% of the problems PC's have? Bonus.


It takes 10 minutes to build a computer. It's as simple as fitting Legos together. No, I'm serious. Every component fits in a specific slot...wrong component? Won't fit. Everything goes in a certain place. Simple.

In your universe it takes 10 minutes, because you know how. I've been on this forum for about a week now and only recently learned that RAM needs to be in pairs, what this cooling thing is about and I had never heard of overclocking in my life.

By way, if this is a troll then I give you a 10/10 for getting me to respond.

(taking a deep breath here)

Look I'm not going to stoop to berating and insulting other people for their choices or skills but I think a little dose of reality is called for here.

This forum is filled with tech savy gurus who know how to tear down and patch up systems in their sleep but also newbs like me who are trying to learn about Macs and not ask stupid questions.

Guess what? When I look inside my computer I see guts, and I'm not going near that. When it breaks or lags or sucks in general, I pack up the whole shebang and bring it to someone to fix it for me.

I keep geeks for hire in business. Yes I know that. I also have a mechanic fix my brakes and change my oil because I don't know how. I also hired a handyman to change the tile in my bathroom because I don't know how.

So here is the real shocker. There are millions of other people like me out there who don't want to sit there ripping apart their computer to save some cash or spend hours reinstalling windows over and over.

That is why for ME - Macs are not a rip-off.

Yeah, and not a troll. Thanks for bringing me down.
 
when is this thread going away? If you obviously do not like Macs buy a PC already!! Each has their pros and cons. I personally won't say who has more cons lol but PLEASE if the iMac isn't for you fine but don't be beating it to death over and over again.
 
Oh but where would we be without more opportunity for people with their custom-built rigs to compare specs and price if nothing more than to grow ePeen.
 
This forum is filled with people who think they are tech savy gurus who know how to tear down and patch up systems in their sleep but also newbs like me who are trying to learn about Macs and not ask stupid questions.

So here is the real shocker. There are millions of other people like me out there who don't want to sit there ripping apart their computer to save some cash or spend hours reinstalling windows over and over.

That is why for ME - Macs are not a rip-off.

Fixed that for you.

There are also those of us that deal with BS at the office all day. Last thing I want to do when I get home ? Deal with more technology BS.
 
Sony Vaio All In One;.....................$1,600

24" 1920x1080
NVIDIA GT 540M 1GB
Core i7 2.00 GHz
4GB DDR3 1333 MHz
1TB 7200RPM Hard Drive



iMac All In One;...........................$1,600 (Student Disco.)

27" 2560x1440
Radeon 6770M 512mb
Core i5 2.7 GHz (Sandy Bridge)
4GB DDR3 1333 MHz
1TB 7200RPM Hard Drive


I understand there are some differences, between the two, but considering the screen of the iMac, it really ISN'T overpriced.

Also, take into consideration that the iMac is a lot thinner, better looking, and made from aluminum; unlike the plastic Sony.

I like PCs just as much as Macs, but saying that the iMac is a rip off is stupid.....
 
Yeah, and not a troll. Thanks for bringing me down.

Don't let him get to you, Malcolm sounds like a young kid, probably a teenager, his tact to condescension ratio is way out of wack ;)

I think you are spot on, theres a LOT of people who buy something, they expect it to work, they don't want to have to learn to fix it, they just want to use it and enjoy it. Macs are great for that. Malcolm unwittingly summed up the whole PC mindset pretty well when he said:

"If your Windows installation is truly screwed up, reinstall it. I can't stress that enough. REINSTALL. YOUR. OS. IT. WILL. FIX. EVERYTHING. SHORT. OF. LEGITIMATE. HARDWARE. ISSUES......It takes 10 minutes to build a computer. It's as simple as fitting Legos together. No, I'm serious. Every component fits in a specific slot...wrong component? Won't fit. Everything goes in a certain place. Simple."

Basically, if it doesn't work, you're to blame. I think thats a ridiculous attitude, but the PC world is fine with that, because it's the status quo... let them wallow in their mediocrity.

I'm an IT consultant, I'm more than happy to get paid hourly to clean viruses off someones Windows PC, I've done it many times, it's monkey work, it's not fun but it is easy and pays the same as more demanding work. And I've had clients who have spent way more to get their PCs cleaned numerous times than it would have cost for them to get a Mac. By and large, it's really just a false sense of economy to think PCs are cheaper.

I'm also comfortable building my own PCs, I've been doing that since the early 90s when I was in jr high and I built my first 386sx-16 system, it's not hard, it's just a pain in the ass and I know I can't do it as well with off the shelf components and for the same price that Apple's engineers can with their resources, knowledge and custom made components. And when you're done, if something goes wrong, you have to troubleshoot - is it the CPU, the mobo, the psu, the RAM...??? Thats out of many peoples comfort zone, and it's also a pain to deal with 8 different companies who all have their own warranties and warranty terms.

I don't build my own car, I could but it would become a life consuming pain in the ass hobby, I've been there with hot rods, and nowadays I just want my car to work, so I got a Subaru and I'm very happy with it. Same thing goes with my computer.

BTW your last post, particularly the end of it, was a nice refreshing addition to the Mac forum :D I never heard a woman say that about a PC........

cheers

Rob
 
Despite the obvious trolling... I really think people are missing the point, if you do not like it don't buy it. But I'll bite for the troll again....

Apples are great, but if you're a Build your own systems then I agree with the majority of the pc-bashing approach that no a Mac is not the most appropriate computer for your usage.

I have 3 main computers, a MacBook pro, an uber decked out pc with Linux and an hp with windows, which is better? It depends what I'm doing, most of my design work is done on my Mac, high end broadcast graphics on the Linux box while hp is for gaming, solitaire, minesweeper and global mapper.

Now the issue being none of my systems can really out do of replace the other, they have a specific use which they all generally do very well. Overall the one which has cost me less from a roi pov is the MacBook pro, but by no means could it replace my other systems.

Still it's like comparing watches, they all in essence do the same thing but I can guarantee my omega will be worth more in 10 years than my fossil... And it also depends on usage, I wouldn't take my omega to play a game of rugby with....
 
True tech gurus don't bother tearing already existing stuff apart unless they are working out how it works to improve it as a new product. Their too busy either fixing everyone else's machine, or developing something completely new.

Do I know how to build a computer: Yes. Do I have any desire to do it repeatedly: Nope. I spend half my life helping others upgrade and fix their machines, and when it comes to my machine, I really don't care. I only build stuff if Im making something that isn't already available.

Tech Gurus and Nerds: We are not here to do what has already been done adequately by others. We are here to improve, refine and invent. As for your definition of adequate: personal, but most people agree PCs are done adequately, and Macs are done perfectly, even if they cost more.
 
I don't know what's wrong with their stupid minded :apple: basher

How about alienware? they expensive as hell too for what they have. Of course with $2000 - $3000 they also can build mighty-godly custom PC, the usual drill :rolleyes:

Yet they don't bash them much as they bash :apple:, so much for calling themselves RATIONAL and OPEN-MINDED
 
I don't know what's wrong with their stupid minded :apple: basher

How about alienware? they expensive as hell too for what they have. Of course with $2000 - $3000 they also can build mighty-godly custom PC, the usual drill :rolleyes:

Yet they don't bash them much as they bash :apple:, so much for calling themselves RATIONAL and OPEN-MINDED

There are some reasons to build/buy a PC over a Mac, but the trollers don't know how to make their points properly.

I have a PC I have built for a file server, since it was a lot cheaper than buying a Mac Pro and doing it that way, which would have been overkill.

My HTPC is a PC, not a Mac Mini, due to Blu-Ray and a PCIe ATSC/NTSC/ClearQAM TV Tuner card.

My everyday computer is my iMac, because it does everything I need it to do well.

Two instances (out of 3) where I use PCs over Macs, but I'm not going to berate you or troll you because of my choices. I suppose that's what the trollers need to realize.
 
It's not a "rip off" if millions of people are willing to buy them, and they are. It's not like anyone is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy an Apple product; there are many, many alternatives.

I just ordered my first iMac (27" with every option maxxed -- waiting a month to receive it due to the SSD.) I've been building my own Windows systems for over ten years, and, frankly, I'm just done with it. I have nothing against Windows or Microsoft, but I just want a computer that works with a minimum of hassle, and I just don't have the time to spend building PCs anymore. My time is valuable, so I don't mind paying a premium for the Mac (although as other have pointed out, it's not really THAT much of a premium).

If I were still a hardcore gamer, clearly it wouldn't have been the right computer purchase; however, for what I do, it's more than enough. I love my other Apple products (iPod Touch, iPhone, and Macbook Pro) and for me this was a good choice.
 
It's not a "rip off" if millions of people are willing to buy them, and they are. It's not like anyone is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy an Apple product; there are many, many alternatives.

I just ordered my first iMac (27" with every option maxxed -- waiting a month to receive it due to the SSD.) I've been building my own Windows systems for over ten years, and, frankly, I'm just done with it. I have nothing against Windows or Microsoft, but I just want a computer that works with a minimum of hassle, and I just don't have the time to spend building PCs anymore. My time is valuable, so I don't mind paying a premium for the Mac (although as other have pointed out, it's not really THAT much of a premium).

If I were still a hardcore gamer, clearly it wouldn't have been the right computer purchase; however, for what I do, it's more than enough. I love my other Apple products (iPod Touch, iPhone, and Macbook Pro) and for me this was a good choice.

I understand where you're coming from, I used to love buying and building my own computer systems but I am over that for a few reasons like "never having that complete build feeling because something else faster had been released" and the main fact it just meant I could not claim the hardware for 3 years under with depreciation like a completed system.

So $2,500 on a system that I could only claim for 12 months compared to an apple I could get for slightly more and claim for 3 years. I was doing myself out of a massive tax refund :mad:

It was costing me time, money and effort... Plus buying a mac is a pleasant experience and a no-brainer at that ;)
 
Another point the OP is missing is value.
My older iMac was a 3.06GHz duo-core bought in April 2008 for £1800. When I came to upgrade earlier this year i.e. nearly 3 years after I originally bought it I sold the machine on EBay for £970, so just over half what I had paid for it.
I then bought an i7 iMac for surprise, surprise £1800 so I effectively upgraded for £830.
My last gaming PC was a well-known shop bought jobbie (I really, really can't be ars*d with building these days...) and it cost £1200.
It had to go back to the shop twice and eventually they replaced it with one that worked properly, but I digress.
After a couple of years I decided to upgrade the PC so looked on EBay to see what these well-known gaming PC's were fetching and my model was averaging £250-300.
Not good, so I didn't bother and bought the iMac, stuck Windows on it and haven't looked back since.
I would hate to add up all the money I've wasted on PC's since building my first in 1989 for £1600, the company I got the DX33 processor from assured me it was 'good for 10 years'...hilarious. :D
 
I don't think the iMac is a ripoff. I just want a headless one.

In fact I'd be willing to pay a little more if Apple put the iMac internals in a mid size case that is easy to open and has room for two hard drives and an optical drive where the components had some breathing room and heat wouldn't be a concern.

Apple can keep their monitor.

I'd gladly pay $1500 for that kind of Mac.

That would be all the computer I need, save me $1000 over a Mac Pro and be in a case that isn't as big or heavy as the Mac Pro.

That would be the one Mac I'd camp outside an Apple Store for.
 
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