It probably will be the same as well but with a lower long duration power limit. Or they go for the same power limits as the MacBook Air with a bigger passive cooler. But in that case, the iPad Pro might get pretty warm to the touch.
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iMac M1: Benchmarking
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I agree with leman, it is possible that it is overclocked. Two fans to keep it cool leaves some room for overclocking. I do not think it will be dramatically overclocked in that case - perhaps 10%-ish. It would make sense that the iMac 24 , the first design around M1 and a desktop, would beat the laptops.
Eagerly awaiting benchmarks
I believe that the M1 GPU can a much higher overclocking potential than the CPU — the later is a very complex piece of silicon that can't reach high clocks, but the GPU seems to a comparatively simple device. There should be no reason why it can't reach clocks similar to other GPUs (1.3-1.5ghz).What you think...Apple is waiting for iphone 13 to announce their second gen 5nm SoC and after we will see the 14"/16"/30" imac or at WWDC they will show us and to dev the 14/16" mbp and in the fall the bigger imac?Eagerly awaiting benchmarks
un less you all ready have a Mac mini there no reason too have a iMac lol
I think we will definitely hear something at WWDC. Schedule can be anything IMO. All depends on manufacturing constraints and supply of things like miniLED and RAM.
What is the clock speed of the M1 GPU in current Macs?Eagerly awaiting benchmarks
EDIT: some report 1.28 GHz https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-M1-GPU-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.503610.0.html
That’s an easy enough arithmetic exercise. Peak FMA throughout of 2600 TFLOPs with 1024 ALUs (each 2FLOPs per cycle) is 2600/2/1024 ~ 1.27 ghz
M1 still feels like a 1.0 product. 16GB limitation, keep reading about monitor problems, etc.
Gonna wait for the M2!
Gonna wait for the M2!
You can also use the MacOS command line tool powermetrics to see both CPU and GPU clocks.
It is, I have my hair share of crash logs, and that is why Apple is right not to introduce more variables an focus on making MacOS stable on M1 first. I am confident, that it is mainly a matter of software maturity.
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Up to 2x faster than 560X and up to 50% faster than Vega 20 is a bold claim. TFLOPS is not everything but here are some numbers:
Radeon Pro 560X 2.056 TFLOPS
Apple M1 2.6 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro Vega 20 3.284 TFLOPS
iMac M1 4.112 to 4.642 TFLOPS?
Radeon Pro 5300 4.224 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 5500M 4.454 TFLOPS
In GFXBench M1 is already 2 times faster but not 50% faster than Vega 20.
Radeon Pro 560X 2.056 TFLOPS
Apple M1 2.6 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro Vega 20 3.284 TFLOPS
iMac M1 4.112 to 4.642 TFLOPS?
Radeon Pro 5300 4.224 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 5500M 4.454 TFLOPS
In GFXBench M1 is already 2 times faster but not 50% faster than Vega 20.
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Who said that M1 is not 1.0 product? It is even called M1....after M2 we gonna wait for M3 and so on...and water is wet
But its definitely not feeling like a 1.0 product...its secured, its fast, its efficient, its reliable...ipad 1 with its SoC felt like a 1.0 product, also first retina ipad felt that way, first apple watch also
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I do think it feels like a gen1 product... limited display output, only two USB controllers, limited TDP configurability... it’s quite clear that Apple went rather conservative on the features to minimize the risks, after all, it’s the first time they do something like this. I am sure that next years product will be much more feature rich.
RAM limitation on the other is understandable , it’s constrained by LPDDR4 density.
Yea, i was talking about the overall product ..ipad pro still has 1 port as the first one for example but far more capable
I meant that it doesnt give you the vibe of a first gen product that runs poorley and have a very bad experience like those mention by me at my previous post. i mean the first 12" macbook was bad for me, first retina ipad also, the gpu couldnt keep up, apple watch...i dont even talk about it...
But i understand your point also...If you are coming from an Intel 21.5" imac you lose usbA and the Sd card but you gain usb3 ports (instead of those 2 usbA)...so i dont know if you lose that much...sd card
Again this 24" i am and always will be comparing it with the 21.5" and not with the bigger imac
You think next gen 24" will have other ports like sd card or usbA? im sure it will not...it will have 4 usb4 ports and thats it
Yes, next gen will have up to 32 gb ram probably...but this is has nothing to do with feeling first gen product from my point of view
The only thing that can makes this feels like a true first gen product from apple...is to have issues with the product..i hope will not be the case..
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Seriously? This is clearly a consumer-level product. Most consumers (not prosumers, just average Joe/Jill consumer) are not going to care about display output, number of ports (beyond the 2 + 2 offered), even RAM limitations. People who are concerned will be waiting for the second gen version be it a 27-32 inch iMac or a 27-32 inch iMac Pro. This product is not targeted at them, it's targeted at the average price-conscious consumer who'll be wowed by the nifty colors and the ease of setup and use. Just like the original gumdrop iMacs were. And that's not a bad thing. Truly it isn't. Diff'rent strokes, diff'rent folks.
Oh, I am not disagreeing with any of this. I do believe that the tradeoffs Apple had to do to get M1 out make perfect sense and that it's a great consumer product as it is. I just think that future entry-level Apple chips won't have some of these limitations, as these are more due to Apple being new to these applications rather than due to M1 targeting the average user (for example, they will most certainly support more external displays).
PS I decided to allow myself to be seduced by the pretty pastel colors and preordered a green M1 iMac with 16 GB RAM and 1 TB storage. By the time I run into issues with the limitations imposed by this choice, I'll probably be ready for a new iMac anyway. But I'm the rarity. I had a 27 inch iMac about 10-12 years ago and found the screen too large for everyday use--scanning from one side of the screen to the other was a bit overwhelming. So, I think I'm going to prefer a 24 incher over 27-32 inches regardless, especially if the cost of the upgraded features ends up totaling $3K + as I suspect it will.
Yeah it says up to 50% faster than the fastest discreet GPU on the 21.5” iMac for certain apps like Affinity and Photoshop. Will see soon enough.
Yeah I ordered the green 16GB of RAM 512GB storage 8 core GPU version. I am not a power user but I wanted a device to last a while so that was my thinking with the RAM upgrade at least.
I hate this idea that “consumers” don’t care about power or features. It’s not true, the biggest “consumer” demographic of desktops is gaming. The consumers that check Facebook and watch Netflix use either a laptop or their phones. The idea of a desktop used soley for internet purposes is square in the past. The post wi-fi and iPhone phase killed it off.
Well, at the moment, what little computer gaming (as opposed to console gaming) I do is done on a Windoze laptop purchased and used exclusively for gaming. Apple is really going to have to up the ante in terms of attracting AAA games before anyone takes the Mac seriously as a gaming machine. And, while I fervently hope this happens, I'm not holding my breath. I've been hoping for 25+ years to no avail.
I’m optimistic about gaming on Macs with the release of M1 Macs. The M1 GPU seems to perform well for Metal optimised games. Further optimisation would definitely squeeze more performance. If the M1 Macs moves in large numbers, which I think it will, the install base will be rather attractive to games developers.