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what he said, an i-Mac is my next purchase, so I had some interest in this thread. A real compact design, but coming from a PC Tower, with 3 case fans, I am looking to some peace and quiet :apple::apple::apple::apple::apple:

hehe current iMacs have 3 fans in them ;)

But its really quite :D
 
2. Ok Ok Ok... Apple offers a 3 year warranty on their products which you can purchase.... Right??? (And ASAYK that's as far as it goes). But when that 3 years is up, what do you do?? Go buy ANOTHER 3 year warranty AppleCare It's simple!!!

Sorry, no way Jose', taint happin in this life;)

yes i realised that after a little debate with my dadda. if you read down further you would have seen that i took back what i said.

p.s. you need to re-quote me :p
 
:eek:Woaaaa there, I'm in no way racists having worked all over the world with many nationalities including Chinese and worked side by side with them all absolutely fine and shared a drink or two with many of them:D. My point was that it's likely that the caliber of people selected to work on these cheap labour assembly lines probably aren't aware that over application of thermal paste can be problamatic. They may think the more paste applied the better.
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Your quote was not "Low paid laborers are employed to build..." but rather "Use Chinese to build them who don't know how to apply thermal paste correctly." which clearly indicated to me that you were drawing some correlation between their ethnicity and their thermal-paste applying skills. You made no mention of salary in your original comments.

You can understand where I drew my conclusion. ;)
 
I'm confused about the thermal paste. Surely they have machines to do that?

You make it sound like a pizza factory. Surely it isn't somebody's sole job to squirt and spread paste like tomato puree? I wouldn't trust anyone, regardless of nationality, to purely perform that task on my CPUs. Anyone would mess up regularly after a couple of days of doing that.

What about the scenario that these people are highly skilled engineers who perform a range of tasks, including applying the paste, and do as good a job as any skilled worker would, no matter how low their country's wages are in comparison?
 
I'm confused about the thermal paste. Surely they have machines to do that?

You make it sound like a pizza factory. Surely it isn't somebody's sole job to squirt and spread paste like tomato puree? I wouldn't trust anyone, regardless of nationality, to purely perform that task on my CPUs. Anyone would mess up regularly after a couple of days of doing that.

What about the scenario that these people are highly skilled engineers who perform a range of tasks, including applying the paste, and do as good a job as any skilled worker would, no matter how low their country's wages are in comparison?

The reason why companies like Apple choses to use chinese assembly factories is that they are cheap. These chinese manufacturing companies are able to cut production costs because they have access to a cheap labor force - That means no special machines for applying thermal paste and definitely no highly skilled engineers working the assembly line. That would be a complete waste of resources even in a western assembly factory. This doesn't mean that the actual workers are not good at what they do but when you're cutting corners to bring down the costs there's always the off chance that people will become sloppy if they can ge taway with it. That's why QC is so extremly important and I do think Apple dropped the ball on that.
 
Your quote was not "Low paid laborers are employed to build..." but rather "Use Chinese to build them who don't know how to apply thermal paste correctly." which clearly indicated to me that you were drawing some correlation between their ethnicity and their thermal-paste applying skills. You made no mention of salary in your original comments.

I'm sure no matter what their skill level or pay they can do better at applying thermo-paste then American kids doing the equivalent task of applying condiments at Burger King and McDonalds.

They probably watch a video similar to this one to learn the job.

If anything is going to screw up the works it's likely the managers pushing them to do the job faster to increase the number of units per day.
 
I'm sure no matter what their skill level or pay they can do better at applying thermo-paste then American kids doing the equivalent task of applying condiments at Burger King and McDonalds.

They probably watch a video similar to this one to learn the job.

If anything is going to screw up the works it's likely the managers pushing them to do the job faster to increase the number of units per day.


Exactly my point, where ever the work is done Apple should consentrate on on setting and maintaining standards. I'm sure they set standards but perhaps they should dedicate more effort to checking and maintaining standards.:(
 
The reason why companies like Apple choses to use chinese assembly factories is that they are cheap. These chinese manufacturing companies are able to cut production costs because they have access to a cheap labor force - That means no special machines for applying thermal paste and definitely no highly skilled engineers working the assembly line. That would be a complete waste of resources even in a western assembly factory. This doesn't mean that the actual workers are not good at what they do but when you're cutting corners to bring down the costs there's always the off chance that people will become sloppy if they can ge taway with it. That's why QC is so extremly important and I do think Apple dropped the ball on that.

Judging by the MBP faults being reported all over the net, Apple QC isn't what it should be. As Apple customers we have the right to expect to get what we pay for, we pay top prices so we should expect top quality equipment. What's wrong with that??? I don't see why by now Apple haven't sorted all the problems out, they've had enough time.
 
Welcome Back, Mac!

I wrote a while back about my Mac shutting down on its own and sometimes starting back up spontaneously, but sometimes not being able to get it to turn back on until it had cooled down. This would occur even while doing something as menial as writing email. The back of the Mac would be too hot to touch, and the fans would be going full-time, even just a half hour after booting up in the morning. Hard to believe that it could be that hot so early in the day. Anyway- I took it in to the Mac shop 2 hrs away and they kept it for a while... I got it back today with my new logic board and new cd/dvd drive which had gone out and I didn't even realize it because I so seldom use that. They fixed it up great, it's working wonderfully, I'm thrilled to have it back. I hope and pray that this is the last of my logic board problems, because as I understand it, if my iMac had not been under warranty, the logic board alone would have been from 300 to 500 bucks. Ouch!!! To think that this is a common occurrence for Macs is a bit scary. Shouldn't the "lemon law" apply in cases like this?
 
Is that the very best you can manage, oh vacuous one? Since it appears safe
to assume that no link to support your innumerate claim is forthcoming...

...I humbly accept your unconditional surrender,

LK

Sorry I was busy. Where were we? Oh yes feeding the trolls. I know you majored in every science known to man and have many many doctorates, but lanuguage clearly not.

innumerate would suggest I was without knowledge of maths and arithmetic.
far more obvious would be that my 'claim' (read LK bait) was actually unqualifiable or unquantifiable given that I could provide no supporting evidence.

The correct put-down for my claim should have been,

Idiot ! you've confused double-glazing with Evacuated Glazing!

But then I never expected such a trite answer from you Leon.

When I grow up I want to be as good as you. My Hero.
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