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The Apple-provided bootcamp drivers do most certainly blow.

HOWEVER, bootcampdrivers.com just came out with Adrenalin 18 drivers for the iMac Pro, just installed them an hour ago.

I only tried Overwatch so far but:

Apple bootcamp drivers: LOW settings, 1980x1080 = 17 FPS min, 22 FPS avg
New Adrenalin 18 drivers: EPIC settings, 2560x1440 = 60 FPS min

So happy!
 
The Apple-provided bootcamp drivers do most certainly blow.

HOWEVER, bootcampdrivers.com just came out with Adrenalin 18 drivers for the iMac Pro, just installed them an hour ago.

I only tried Overwatch so far but:

Apple bootcamp drivers: LOW settings, 1980x1080 = 17 FPS min, 22 FPS avg
New Adrenalin 18 drivers: EPIC settings, 2560x1440 = 60 FPS min

So happy!
[doublepost=1517974231][/doublepost]So here are my impressions after a week, which are similar to others [base model]

Great - the hardware. I can’t fault it in terms of quietness and it just looks awesome on my desk. MacOS feels fast and responsive.

Bad - Bootcamp, so poor on the drivers for the GPU. I have updated them with Bootcampdrivers.com and has improved it but still not 100% for all apps. It is sluggish in the boot up into macOS for some reason too, and apps like twinmotion in macOS crash constantly. It just doesn’t feel as stable as my old iMac.
Had glitches on the screen in macOS also when flipping between apps.

For me having spent time on the machine, it feels like 1 step forward and 2 back. I need both windows and macOS and am struggling with the computer. It will improve no doubt, but for right now it is not the ideal solution unless you work in Apple native apps which seem to be optimized for it [I don’t work with these though].

I am leaning towards getting a MacBook pro and eGPU. This should sort out all the driver issues [but could open other cans of worms....] which have probably caused me a total of 10 hours downtime with deadlines looming in the last week. It’s this or I am going PC as these battles are sort of the ones that broke [or just about breaking] the camels back.

Having had this experience I am convinced that if Apple had kept up to date with pro machines I wouldn’t be experiencing this now, as developers would have worked harder to be with a platform that Apple encourage. The delay in an updated pro machine leaves the experience wanting on the software side. The hardware - perfect.

BTW I must say that the service I have received from Apple over the last 2 weeks has been exceptional and is the reason I have stayed loyal for so long. This imacpro has tested this loyalty to the limit however, as I need to earn money with these computers, and am spending time trying to get PDF’s printed from windows apps [which I ended up having to do through parallels,, which also runs like a dog btw, to get some prints out] - I worked out this was due to the gpu, which the updated drivers don’t fix.......... it’s a big nightmare for me really, but if you just use Apple apps or adobe then you should be all good.

I have a replacement machine with upgraded gpu on order, and will see how that goes as I am not sure if the imacpro I have is faulty, given the poor experience. Should find out next week, and will then make a decision on whether to shift the office to PC or not.
 
I've had mine for about a week now as well and absolutely love it. Zero issues hardware-wise, the monitor finally calibrates nicely with my Spyder5Elite, though a touch too red compared to our EIZOs. Software-wise, Adobe Lightroom Classic CC 7.1 still runs like a dog. Premiere Pro and Capture One Pro have a nice boost as does all the throughput we are using now with importing, processing and outputting raw to tiff / jpegs. Love the massive, silky speed boost and 8x USB / TB3 ports over my cMP!
 
Had my 10 core for a couple weeks now - absolutely love it! I am Mac OS only (no bootcamp) and primarily using it for orchestral composition with some LR/PS thrown in. The performance is wonderful - I was on a PC for a couple years with Cubase and so wanted to get back to Mac & Logic (and Logic 10.4 was a fantastic upgrade at about the same time).

No hardware issues at all. I am amazed at how close the screen was by default to my Xrite i1Display Pro calibration. A few minor High Sierra hiccups but nothing I didn't figure out pretty quickly.

Been a little bit of detective work figuring out the USB bus/bandwidth architecture. It appears from System Report that there are 2 USB 3.1 busses (that obviously mirror the 2 TB3 busses), but only a single USB 3.0 bus for the 4 USB-A ports. Need to be careful about using multiple high bandwidth USB devices at the same time.

I have my 4 x 1TB SSD's connected via TB3 on one TB bus (sample libraries for music) and a Samsung T5 (Lightroom catalog and images for portability between iMP and MBP), TB2 UAD Satellite & TB2 Lacie 2Big HDD's (older photos) on the other TB bus.
 
Been a little bit of detective work figuring out the USB bus/bandwidth architecture. It appears from System Report that there are 2 USB 3.1 busses (that obviously mirror the 2 TB3 busses), but only a single USB 3.0 bus for the 4 USB-A ports. Need to be careful about using multiple high bandwidth USB devices at the same time.

I have my 4 x 1TB SSD's connected via TB3 on one TB bus (sample libraries for music) and a Samsung T5 (Lightroom catalog and images for portability between iMP and MBP), TB2 UAD Satellite & TB2 Lacie 2Big HDD's (older photos) on the other TB bus.

Interesting to read this - I noticed a 75mb/s average write speed when backing up my Sandisk Extreme 900 1.92TB to a USB 3.0 LaCie Rugged 2TB using Chronosync.

I’ll try and do some further testing this weekend using USB-C drives and another external SSD to see if I can replicate what you’ve mentioned about shared TB / USB buses.
 
Interesting to read this - I noticed a 75mb/s average write speed when backing up my Sandisk Extreme 900 1.92TB to a USB 3.0 LaCie Rugged 2TB using Chronosync.

I’ll try and do some further testing this weekend using USB-C drives and another external SSD to see if I can replicate what you’ve mentioned about shared TB / USB buses.

Not sure if we are on the same page. What I think I said was that all 4 USB-A ports share a single USB 3.0 (aka USB 3.1gen1) bus. There are 2 separate TB/USB-C (aka USB-3.1gen2) busses. What I don't know is can you run 2 USB-C/3.1gen2 devices on a single TB bus at full speed or whether the USB-C device puts the TB bus in "USB-C mode" and limits the bandwidth to 10Gbps for the bus or 10Gbps per port.
 
Been a little bit of detective work figuring out the USB bus/bandwidth architecture. It appears from System Report that there are 2 USB 3.1 busses (that obviously mirror the 2 TB3 busses), but only a single USB 3.0 bus for the 4 USB-A ports. Need to be careful about using multiple high bandwidth USB devices at the same time.

I have my 4 x 1TB SSD's connected via TB3 on one TB bus (sample libraries for music) and a Samsung T5 (Lightroom catalog and images for portability between iMP and MBP), TB2 UAD Satellite & TB2 Lacie 2Big HDD's (older photos) on the other TB bus.

This block diagram may able to make your life easier :D
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Had my 10 core for a couple weeks now - absolutely love it! I am Mac OS only (no bootcamp) and primarily using it for orchestral composition with some LR/PS thrown in. The performance is wonderful - I was on a PC for a couple years with Cubase and so wanted to get back to Mac & Logic (and Logic 10.4 was a fantastic upgrade at about the same time).

No hardware issues at all. I am amazed at how close the screen was by default to my Xrite i1Display Pro calibration. A few minor High Sierra hiccups but nothing I didn't figure out pretty quickly.

Been a little bit of detective work figuring out the USB bus/bandwidth architecture. It appears from System Report that there are 2 USB 3.1 busses (that obviously mirror the 2 TB3 busses), but only a single USB 3.0 bus for the 4 USB-A ports. Need to be careful about using multiple high bandwidth USB devices at the same time.

I have my 4 x 1TB SSD's connected via TB3 on one TB bus (sample libraries for music) and a Samsung T5 (Lightroom catalog and images for portability between iMP and MBP), TB2 UAD Satellite & TB2 Lacie 2Big HDD's (older photos) on the other TB bus.

You mention TB3 busses. There are 4 TB3 ports so how are they assigned to the two busses ? The first two on one and then the other two on the other maybe ? I've searched for a technical description of which TB3 ports go with what bus but have not found any.
 
[doublepost=1517974231][/doublepost]So here are my impressions after a week, which are similar to others [base model]

Great - the hardware. I can’t fault it in terms of quietness and it just looks awesome on my desk. MacOS feels fast and responsive.

Bad - Bootcamp, so poor on the drivers for the GPU. I have updated them with Bootcampdrivers.com and has improved it but still not 100% for all apps. It is sluggish in the boot up into macOS for some reason too, and apps like twinmotion in macOS crash constantly. It just doesn’t feel as stable as my old iMac.
Had glitches on the screen in macOS also when flipping between apps.

For me having spent time on the machine, it feels like 1 step forward and 2 back. I need both windows and macOS and am struggling with the computer. It will improve no doubt, but for right now it is not the ideal solution unless you work in Apple native apps which seem to be optimized for it [I don’t work with these though].

I am leaning towards getting a MacBook pro and eGPU. This should sort out all the driver issues [but could open other cans of worms....] which have probably caused me a total of 10 hours downtime with deadlines looming in the last week. It’s this or I am going PC as these battles are sort of the ones that broke [or just about breaking] the camels back.

Having had this experience I am convinced that if Apple had kept up to date with pro machines I wouldn’t be experiencing this now, as developers would have worked harder to be with a platform that Apple encourage. The delay in an updated pro machine leaves the experience wanting on the software side. The hardware - perfect.

BTW I must say that the service I have received from Apple over the last 2 weeks has been exceptional and is the reason I have stayed loyal for so long. This imacpro has tested this loyalty to the limit however, as I need to earn money with these computers, and am spending time trying to get PDF’s printed from windows apps [which I ended up having to do through parallels,, which also runs like a dog btw, to get some prints out] - I worked out this was due to the gpu, which the updated drivers don’t fix.......... it’s a big nightmare for me really, but if you just use Apple apps or adobe then you should be all good.

I have a replacement machine with upgraded gpu on order, and will see how that goes as I am not sure if the imacpro I have is faulty, given the poor experience. Should find out next week, and will then make a decision on whether to shift the office to PC or not.

I think that the iMac Pro is not the kind of universal machine than the iMac was. For general purpose tasks I prefer my maxed out 2017 iMac (still a lot cheaper if you max out the RAM yourself) which runs without problems with MacOS and Windows 10 and a lot of different environments. The iMac Pro is a specialized workstation for a very limited set of high-end tasks. No pro had the time to fiddle out these kind of problems for several weeks. if this is the case it is the wrong computer....
 
I think that the iMac Pro is not the kind of universal machine than the iMac was. For general purpose tasks I prefer my maxed out 2017 iMac (still a lot cheaper if you max out the RAM yourself) which runs without problems with MacOS and Windows 10 and a lot of different environments. The iMac Pro is a specialized workstation for a very limited set of high-end tasks. No pro had the time to fiddle out these kind of problems for several weeks. if this is the case it is the wrong computer....

Not really, it is the right computer, the issue is driver support for the gpu in bootcamp [so basically software not hardware, that will get updated]. macOS runs well except for twinmotion [that is promoted as a reason to get the iMac pro on the info page on the apple website btw]. I much prefer it overall to my previous maxed 2017 iMac and don’t understand why you wouldn’t as the speed difference on single core is not that noticeable to the iMac, ssd is faster and overall Expereince is much the same.
For example rendering in fusion 360 is easily a third faster than the old iMac. This tests all cores to the limit [I had the cpu use at 98%] and the fan was barely audible. This is amazing, in comparison to the sound of a plane taking off the i7 iMac made.
 
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Not really, it is the right computer, the issue is driver support for the gpu in bootcamp [so basically software not hardware, that will get updated]. macOS runs well except for twinmotion [that is promoted as a reason to get the iMac pro on the info page on the apple website btw]. I much prefer it overall to my previous maxed 2017 iMac and don’t understand why you wouldn’t as the speed difference on single core is not that noticeable to the iMac, ssd is faster and overall Expereince is much the same.
For example rendering in fusion 360 is easily a third faster than the old iMac. This tests all cores to the limit [I had the cpu use at 98%] and the fan was barely audible. This is amazing, in comparison to the sound of a plane taking off the i7 iMac made.

OK - so this morning I turn on the iMac and have another play around with the twinmotion demo I have.

Operates at 100% GPU use of a small amount of CPU, at 60 frames a second on medium settings and is basically quiet [can just hear the fans]. The app is not crashing anymore [no idea why it did before].

It is just the GPU drivers in bootcamp that are the only issue for me now. I may just get a surface book 2 or something for PC work, but this iMac pro will be staying.....
 
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Have none of you guys experienced throttling ? According to the Linus tech tips guy the 8 core was throttling a lot
It would be absolutely amazing if more iMac Pro owners shared their systems Turbo Boost results... To reveal Turbo Boost frequencies and relevant info relating to environment, workload how long the results last before changing etc.

I’m about to order two of the same configuration so it’d be incredible to see more results outside of Geekbench. :)
 
It would be absolutely amazing if more iMac Pro owners shared their systems Turbo Boost results... To reveal Turbo Boost frequencies and relevant info relating to environment, workload how long the results last before changing etc.

I’m about to order two of the same configuration so it’d be incredible to see more results outside of Geekbench. :)


I think Apple's marketing has gotten to your head (grin). "absolutely amazing" ... "incredible" ...

It might be interesting, but it wouldn't be amazing or incredible. Unless you are saying you have zero confidence that people will share their experiences, in which case, it might be amazing or incredible.

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I think Apple's marketing has gotten to your head (grin). "absolutely amazing" ... "incredible" ...

It might be interesting, but it wouldn't be amazing or incredible. Unless you are saying you have zero confidence that people will share their experiences, in which case, it might be amazing or incredible.

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Oh haha, completely so... :)

I’ve been scouring the forums for the past few days with no not as much luck as I had hoped. Unlike the Mac Pro from 2013 that had graphs, tables etc to show clear stats. To me it would... maybe if I toned it down still would be those feelings.

If I was buying just one then it wouldn’t be as bad... but two.. then I have to be as sure as I can get. Maybe their performance wasn’t as high as Apple’s “Up to 4.xGHz frequencies” as they would’ve liked. Although judging from a few results I have managed to find and lower performance from Macs in the past that it doesn’t stop users posting and sharing.

Just my overall perspective as a buyer and employee trying to make the best and most informed situation as possible... because for me the single core performance needs to hold its own just as much as having the cores that will power through larger projects. Which I know will be a lot faster than our current Macs in ANY situation... which does make the upgrade more likable and worth it.

Next time I’ll try and select a better combination of adjectives, maybe I won’t seem as light and up in the air as I have.. haha
 
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My advice is to never read too much into turbo frequencies - too many people make the mistake of seeing it as what the processor should be doing most of the time, instead of a situational peak value.
 
I remember seeing a review on YouTube Mac channel of the base model (8 core 3.2 ghz), and afaik the CPU would run consistently at 3.8ghz during heavy multithreaded workloads. Only when pushing hard both the GPU and CPU, would the CPU dip below that. I've seen here that the 10 core runs at a lower sustained boost speed, even though the max boost clock is higher. There have been posts here of users measuring the boost clock performance in detail, do a search.

On a side note for those that like to occasionally game: Project Lasso in Bootcamp can be used for assigning permanent CPU affinity settings for each program/game (including turning off hyperthreading). This could be useful for the CPU to run as fast (and least hot) as possible during gaming. Lower CPU clock speeds can make a noticeable impact on framerates.
 
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This thread is torture. A very sweet form of torture...

I'm a big fan of the iMac - especially since the first 27" was introduced - and (thus far) the 5K iMac has been the sweet spot for me (I have two - one at work (a BYOD), and another one at home). I've bought both used (for about 1,5k€ a piece), and sadly, the iMacPro (or iMP, as I will refer to it) is simply out of my league. Especially as there's no way I can justify one.

Having just gotten my second 5KiMac (a 4Ghz i7), I'm also stoked, and can sympathise with you.

All that said, I'm rooting for all you guys who can (afford/justify) an iMP. After the debacle which was the nMP, I think Apple may have a winner here - especially as the iMP outperforms the nMP on so many levels. Keep those nice updates coming...


Veering off-topic, and proud of it:
On a sidenote, While the form factor is clearly different, I think the iMac Pro is the logical continuation of the high-end PowerMac (not the 20th anniversary Mac - which introduced the form factor). This is the new Mac for Pro's. From cMP to nMP to iMP. Long live the Mac Pro - now with the "i" in front (where it's supposed to be).

The nMP is dead. Maybe Phil Schiller can innovate, but not service his customer base (well, he's in marketing - what did you expect). With over 4 (four!) years since a real update, the conclusion is bleedin' obvious. D E A D.

More problematically, I think the modular Mac Pro is also dead. At least in the sense that if it ever comes, it won't be what we expected or hoped for. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid I'm right.
Why? Because there is no justifiable, believable reason why it would take Apple so long to make it happen, if it were just a piece of hardware. Designwise it may be a challenge (but we know Apple is not short staffed there), but doable. The logistics of a mMP is not much harder than of this redesigned iMac. Also, there is also nothing in intel's pipeline which would justify the wait.

At this point, I'd rather put my money on that Apple's "modular Mac Pro" is a cross between a workstation and cloud computing (Take two of Larry Ellison's Network Computer), than on it being something which could trace it ancestry to the cMP.
That "modularity" would not be what I need, but at least it would be interesting. Worst case: the mMP will never happen.

RGDS,
 
All that said, I'm rooting for all you guys who can (afford/justify) an iMP. After the debacle which was the nMP, I think Apple may have a winner here - especially as the iMP outperforms the nMP on so many levels. Keep those nice updates coming...
Cheering for the iMac Pro while blasting the nMP is just ridiculous. The iMac Pro is even a more closed system than the trashcan ever was. You'll have to tear it apart to even upgrade your ram. If you consider the nMP a "debacle" then so is the iMP, unless you don't care about hypocrisy and double standards.
 
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Cheering for the iMac Pro while blasting the nMP is just ridiculous. The iMac Pro is even a more closed system than the trashcan ever was. You'll have to tear it apart to even upgrade your ram. If you consider the nMP a "debacle" then so is the iMP, unless you don't care about hypocrisy and double standards.
I for one think Apple is painting themselves in a corner with the iMac Pro, for if the iMac Pro takes off with the pro crowd then Apple is going to being competing against itself for market share. True the iMac Pro is is a closed system, but I would guess most dedicated professional aren't what I call tech weenies. Unless the new Mac Pro is truly modular with it components and with Apple's history I doubt the that it will happen then the new Mac Pro isn't going truly blow the pro crowd away. First Apple is competing with other manufacturers when it comes to Intel cpus and no matter what you think Intel looks at the bottom line. That is make the fastest chips for everyone, for they want to set themselves up for the greatest profit margin as possible. Then there's that 5K Screen that you get with the iMac Pro and while the initial price of the Mac Pro might look better at first in reality it won't by the time you add a nice monitor. That's considering Apple doesn't pull a rabbit out the hat and make the Mac Pro at least 10x better than the iMac Pro. If I had to guess about Mac Pro future, I would say that the launch date will be pushed back to 2019 and maybe even 2020. Apple might even scrap launching the Mac Pro all together, but I doubt that will happen for what I have seen it does look like they are truly going through with the new Mac Pro.

When I was going for my pc technician certification a long time ago the instructor back then said there will be a day where pc components will be truly modular. Meaning that when the CPU becomes outdated the user will simply pull out the CPU modular component and swap it with a faster and better cpu. Yeah you can do that now, but what he meant was not only will the cpu be swapped out, but other components that make the cpu tick would be pulled out at that time as well. So the user would not or might not have to worry about if that CPU will is compatible with that motherboard, worry about applying TIM or a heatsink to the cpu and what have you. I haven't really kept up with the latest pc technology, but from what I have read it does look like some of that is already starting to come true. Just my .02 cents.
 
My advice is to never read too much into turbo frequencies - too many people make the mistake of seeing it as what the processor should be doing most of the time, instead of a situational peak value.
Yeah, I’m staying aware of that. On paper I would get the 4.5GHz Turbo Boost with no questions... but I know that’s only briefly so I’ve been eyeing out various owners machines for Turbo Boost results... :)
 
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More problematically, I think the modular Mac Pro is also dead. At least in the sense that if it ever comes, it won't be what we expected or hoped for. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid I'm right.
Why? Because there is no justifiable, believable reason why it would take Apple so long to make it happen, if it were just a piece of hardware.

There is a very simple reason why it would take so long ..... they were not working on it. Apple's mantra is to do a relative few products well. Once they latched onto doing an iMac Pro as a literal desktop solution to follow the Mac Pro 2013 move .... they didn't put any resources into doing anything else. It isn't just the Mac pro.

Apple went and "resurfaced" the MacBook ( which took on the same role the original MacBook Air had of being penultimate lightest, smallest laptop at price premium . ) And what happened to MBA updates while Apple iterated on the MacBook? Nothing. To work on another Mac meant you needed to rob Peter to pay Paul.

When Apple did the 5K iMac what happened to the "regular" 27" and 21.5" iMacs in 2014 - early 2015 timeframe..... almost nothing. The 27" got nothing and the 21.5" got a model with an MBA processor stuffed in it (grossly underpowered to hit lower price point at higher margins).

The Mac mini used to bow-wave off of Macbook/MacBookPro directions but as a 'headless' . ... and when the laptops focused increasingly on thinner and more expensive SSD ( as opposed to 2.5" storage form factor) the Mac Mini when comatose.

iPad Pro came along and iPad mini development when comatose.


As Apple put more effort into iPhones and iPads the iPods fell by the wayside ( the Touch comatose for years at a time when much of the baseline of the product highly overlapped with the iPhones. Drop the cellular modem and the real differences were? )



Apple isn't the only part of the equation though. Customers are buying computer at slower rates. If people are going to buy with less frequency then Apple is likely going to take foot off the gas. More than few customer's workloads are plateauing. Even more so with the customers who grumble at Apple that they "form over function" so they can buy standard form cards off the shelf ... so just build me a container to put stuff in. If putting newer cards into older boxes is the customers primary focus ... are they really interested in buying a new container.



Designwise it may be a challenge (but we know Apple is not short staffed there), but doable. The logistics of a mMP is not much harder than of this redesigned iMac. Also, there is also nothing in intel's pipeline which would justify the wait.

if starting after the iMac Pro then waiting for "next up" in Intel's pipeline gives them time to sync up.


At this point, I'd rather put my money on that Apple's "modular Mac Pro" is a cross between a workstation and cloud computing (Take two of Larry Ellison's Network Computer), than on it being something which could trace it ancestry to the cMP.

The iMac Pro has about the same size "thermal corner" that the Mac Pro 2013 painted itself into. Apple could add back a standard slot or two and crank up the system volume and power back to near old levels ( 800-900W). The display GPU could be integrated with Thunderbolt (and rest of the system) but the "compute GPU" really doesn't need to be tightly coupled.

The only "network computer" aspect I would expect is that it won't have 3-6+ HDDs sleds. Extremely large bulk storage is "elsewhere". Probably less of a dependency than the iMac Pro ( one and only one drive), but fewer ( bigger with modern 10+ TB singles ) drives than before. Apple is a bit fixed on the "single, big enough SSD works great' solution across the whole line up. It will be a task to even walk them back a bit from the position.

It wouldn't be a "clone" of a HP Z or Dell workstation or even of the old 2006-2009 Mac Pros, but there will likely be some linkages. The folks who are almost solely focused on buying a container for stuff will go but it probably will be recognizable as a workstation in function.
 
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When I was going for my pc technician certification a long time ago the instructor back then said there will be a day where pc components will be truly modular. Meaning that when the CPU becomes outdated the user will simply pull out the CPU modular component and swap it with a faster and better cpu. Yeah you can do that now, but what he meant was not only will the cpu be swapped out, but other components that make the cpu tick would be pulled out at that time as well. So the user would not or might not have to worry about if that CPU will is compatible with that motherboard, worry about applying TIM or a heatsink to the cpu and what have you. I haven't really kept up with the latest pc technology, but from what I have read it does look like some of that is already starting to come true. Just my .02 cents.

What your instructor predicted is impossible in a practical sense.

We already have full modularity (if you're building a PC) now. In that if some component fails, you can swap in another. But there are dependencies that have to be taken into account.

Some real-life examples (Totally not drawn from my own experience!):

1) You upgrade your graphics card to the best model available. But then you discover that it needs extra power leads that your old power supply doesn't have. So you have to buy a new power supply as well.

2) You've upgraded your power supply, and your graphics card is now running. But after trying out some games and benchmarks, you discover that it's running at half or less of its theoretical performance. Turns out the bottleneck is your CPU. It can't pre-process the graphics data (model transformation, shader compilation, etc.) fast enough to keep the graphics card working full-time.

3) You buy a new, faster CPU. But then you discover that it uses a newer kind of CPU socket that's not compatible with your old one. So you need a new motherboard...

4) You buy a new motherboard, and then plug the new CPU into it, but now it's the CPU that's not running as fast as it should. You discover that your RAM is too slow. The CPU keeps waiting on the RAM, and the Graphics Card keeps waiting on the CPU.

5) You buy some new RAM, and performance greatly improves. But when you start editing video, you discover that your CPU and Graphics card are now being bottlenecked by your slow hard drive. Game loading takes forever too. So you replace it with an SSD.

6) With the SSD, the video editing is less of a torture, and games load a lot faster. But then you discover that SATA SSD's are a lot slower than NVME SSD's. So you buy an NVME SSD for more speed.

7) When the NVME SSD arrives, you're perplexed. It looks like a weird RAM stick, and you don't know where to put it. You then discover that you can either buy a SATA to NVME adapter, which makes it just as slow as your old SSD, or you have to buy a motherboard with NVME sockets. Off to Amazon again...

8) The NVME SSD is now plugged into your new (2nd) motherboard. You now have a fast, working, upgraded computer. But you've replaced pretty much everything aside from the case and your old hard drive (used now for data backup).

9) You decide that you need more graphics horsepower, and purchase a second Graphics card that will link up with the first one. This works great... Until your computer fails to boot one day. Poking around, you discover that the NVME SSD failed from overheating. Why? Because the NVME slot was between the two graphics cards. There wasn't enough airflow to cool it properly.

10) So you buy your THIRD motherboard, which has its NVME slots in a better location. Of course this means reinstalling Windows a 3rd time, triggering an alert. You then spend an hour on the phone so that you can explain to an Indian Microsoft tech why you've been installing their OS so often lately.

And the thing is that is HAS to be this way. Because you can't design a single component interconnection standard that will last forever... Because you can't perfectly anticipate human needs for technology, and even if you could, you can only base a solution on the tech that's currently available. Not what might be available 5-10 years from now.
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The iMac Pro has about the same size "thermal corner" that the Mac Pro 2013 painted itself into. Apple could add back a standard slot or two and crank up the system volume and power back to near old levels ( 800-900W). The display GPU could be integrated with Thunderbolt (and rest of the system) but the "compute GPU" really doesn't need to be tightly coupled.

The only "network computer" aspect I would expect is that it won't have 3-6+ HDDs sleds. Extremely large bulk storage is "elsewhere". Probably less of a dependency than the iMac Pro ( one and only one drive), but fewer ( bigger with modern 10+ TB singles ) drives than before. Apple is a bit fixed on the "single, big enough SSD works great' solution across the whole line up. It will be a task to even walk them back a bit from the position.

It wouldn't be a "clone" of a HP Z or Dell workstation or even of the old 2006-2009 Mac Pros, but there will likely be some linkages. The folks who are almost solely focused on buying a container for stuff will go but it probably will be recognizable as a workstation in function.

Yep. I think that we'll be very lucky if we even get one slot for a video card in the new Mac Pro. It's far more likely that Apple will build another headless all-in-one system line that will absorb the old Mac Mini. Where the primary difference between Mac and Mac Pro will be the number of TB3 ports that you can plug external peripherals (including their final eGPU solution) into.

Because let's face it... Apple is a hardware company, and they need to move product. Producing an updated cheese-grater Mac that can be upgraded for a decade after purchase both lowers their sales, and gives the Hackintosh segment of the market the software hooks that they need to keep avoiding buying Apple's hardware.

So if there are internal expansion ports for a GPU at all, expect it to be a proprietary Apple connector with slightly higher performance that only AMD is invited to produce cards for. The primary stumbling block to building a Hackintosh is proper support for the nVidia cards that everyone really wants. So why should Apple make Hackintoshing any easier? At least until they have T2 chips in every system that can effectively thwart the Hackintoshers without ignoring nVidia.
 
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