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The bezels may be thick, but they add to the design and they assure your focus on what's being displayed.
I don't know about you but behind my screens there's a wall, not a bunch of crazy clowns trying to get my attention ;) I don't need any bezels to focus.

IMO, bezels are useless and Apple is not about keeping iconic designs forever but about minimalism and trying to get rid of anything they deem not necessary for the sake of simplicity. Bezels are similar to the ports that were removed on the MBP and touchID and audio jack on the iPhone. They are clutter on the devices' design and technology now allows Apple to remove them.
[doublepost=1526555485][/doublepost]Another competing AIO was refreshed and it looks amazing IMO. Although I’m sure a few here will complain about the curved screen.

Wireless charging on the base is a nice feature.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12757/hp-2018-envy-34-inch-curved-all-in-one-gets-cozier

No pricing or detailed specs yet.
 
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Definitely worth the non-upgradable ram if they give it a complete redesign (not just cooling like the iMac Pro). The iMac looks horrible compared to every other screen on the market. Inch plus bezels are a joke in 2018.
I can't say I agree, if the redesign quadruples the cost of adding RAM to an already expensive machine. I also disagree that "the iMac looks horrible." You can't tell any of the other all-in-ones from another without looking at the name plate (except for the Dell with the six speakers in your face), and the iMac 5K Retina display is still generations ahead of any computer display that anyone else offers. That a popular design has been around a while (and not even that long) does not make it a joke.
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I don't know about you but behind my screens there's a wall, not a bunch of crazy clowns trying to get my attention ;) I don't need any bezels to focus.

IMO, bezels are useless and Apple is not about keeping iconic designs forever but about minimalism and trying to get rid of anything they deem not necessary for the sake of simplicity. Bezels are similar to the ports that were removed on the MBP and touchID and audio jack on the iPhone. They are clutter on the devices' design and technology now allows Apple to remove them.
[doublepost=1526555485][/doublepost]Another competing AIO was refreshed and it looks amazing IMO. Although I’m sure a few here will complain about the curved screen.

Wireless charging on the base is a nice feature.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12757/hp-2018-envy-34-inch-curved-all-in-one-gets-cozier

No pricing or detailed specs yet.
But it's an HP... :)
 
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I don't know about you but behind my screens there's a wall, not a bunch of crazy clowns trying to get my attention ;) I don't need any bezels to focus.

IMO, bezels are useless and Apple is not about keeping iconic designs forever but about minimalism and trying to get rid of anything they deem not necessary for the sake of simplicity. Bezels are similar to the ports that were removed on the MBP and touchID and audio jack on the iPhone. They are clutter on the devices' design and technology now allows Apple to remove them.
[doublepost=1526555485][/doublepost]Another competing AIO was refreshed and it looks amazing IMO. Although I’m sure a few here will complain about the curved screen.

Wireless charging on the base is a nice feature.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12757/hp-2018-envy-34-inch-curved-all-in-one-gets-cozier

No pricing or detailed specs yet.

Looks neat but I don't like the design as much as the iMac, I don't want the base of the computer taking up deskspace like that. Infact that design is a deal breaker for me as I have very limited desk space.
 
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Just realized the iMac design hasn't been changed since 2012... wow Apple. So intuitive... In Apple's defense, the 2012 iMacs are beautiful and you honestly cant get much better looking than that.
 
Just realized the iMac design hasn't been changed since 2012... wow Apple. So intuitive... In Apple's defense, the 2012 iMacs are beautiful and you honestly cant get much better looking than that.

And the 2012 design is very similar to the one before it, so it's pretty much 10 years old. Definitely time for a revamp imo.

Note to Apple, no one cares about a desktop computer being thinner when the thermal performance is so bad. It's understandable in phones but not in desktop computers.
 
Bezels could use a little bit of a slimming for sure. My 22" Monitor for my PC's bezels are half the size as the imac's bezels, but it's from 2013...So even then bezels half the size were common in other monitors on the market.

They are more than 5 years behind everyone else with this and it's about time for a change.

I'm ok with the look though, I actually like the way it looks, but it could be better. I'm more concerned with the heat and fan noise.
 
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And the 2012 design is very similar to the one before it, so it's pretty much 10 years old. Definitely time for a revamp imo.

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Yup. 2010 on left, 2017 on right.

Note to Apple, no one cares about a desktop computer being thinner when the thermal performance is so bad. It's understandable in phones but not in desktop computers.
Agreed.
 
Note to Apple, no one cares about a desktop computer being thinner when the thermal performance is so bad. It's understandable in phones but not in desktop computers.

I don’t think that’s true at all. I expect that the proportion of iMac buyers who know what “thermal performance” means is so small as to be irrelevant. Whereas buyers care about thinness, which is why the current iMac chassis design was so well received when it was launched (and remains as such).

To almost all iMac buyers and users the only thing that matters from a “thermal performance” perspective is whether their computer works reliably for years, and the answer for the iMac is clearly yes, it does.
 
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I don’t think that’s true at all. I expect that the proportion of iMac buyers who know what “thermal performance” means is so small as to be irrelevant. Whereas buyers care about thinness, which is why the current iMac chassis design was so well received when it was launched (and remains as such).

To almost all iMac buyers and users the only thing that matters from a “thermal performance” perspective is whether their computer works reliably for years, and the answer for the iMac is clearly yes, it does.

I think it is true. The less Apple puts on the inside, the more people are going to have to put on the outside.

My 2017 MPB is a fine example of this. To make it thinner and lighter, they took out all the ports. I have an external video adaptor, external LAN adapter, external SD/MicroSD card adapter, USB C to USB 3 adaptor, etc.

I read only yesterday on MacRumors of someone complaining about slow Bootcamp and the advice was to add an external SSD because the internal drive isn't good enough. Than attractive thin design doesn't look so good now does it ? That also goes for my MPB. It looks great until I want to do something proper with it and then it looks a mess.
 
I think it is true. The less Apple puts on the inside, the more people are going to have to put on the outside.

Ever since the original Mac - and certainly since the original iMac, appearance has been an important part of Apple design philosophy. The issue is where to strike the balance, both in individual models and across the range. Jobs oversaw some of the most sealed-in devices ever produced but he also presided over machines like the G3 tower and "cheesegrater" that went the extra mile to provide easy, internal expansion. Balance.

My 2017 MPB is a fine example of this.

...and the problem there is that nuApple got the range wrong: as extensions of the 12" MacBook range - for users who want ultimate portability over versatility - they're fine (except for keyboard reliability). As the only choice for Pros/Enthusiasts/Power users who want a mobile workstation, they suck.

In terms of the iMac, the only thing really lost in the switch from the 2010 to the current "tapered" design were the optical drive and FireWire. Whether these were "obsolete" when dropped in 2012 is a matter of opinion but I would say that they were firmly "legacy" at the time in terms of their use by new products (unlike USB-A today - I'm still buying USB-A devices with no USB-C alternative and which would have nothing to gain from using USB-C). Also, in my experience, those slimline, slot-loading optical drives had a half-life of about 6 months so I'd rather have a cheap, external one when needed. Even in terms of "fixability" - even with the old system of magnets, getting in to a 2010 iMac was not for the faint-hearted, needed special tools (suction cups) and ran the risk of getting dust between the screen and glass. Now you need a pizza-cutter and a new set of adhesive tape, but the glass is laminated to the screen so no dust (giving less glare, too). Meh.

The big iMac issue, IMHO, is the lack of front-accessible USB and SD card slots. However, the side-mounted solution (as per the SD and optical in the 2010 iMac) stops looking like a good idea as soon as you think about dual-display setups. Having a hub sitting on the pedestal is probably the sensible solution (can we have some TB3/USB-C docks designed for iMac, please - i.e. lots of USB including front-facing and powered by the computer using USB-C power delivery rather than with a huge power brick designed to charge a computer?)

There does seem to be an issue with the current top i7 model and cooling - now, I've got one of those and my experience is that yes, it is quite loud by modern standards when fully loaded but that it wouldn't be a deal-breaker unless you wanted to use it in a recording studio... which is a thing. However, I think that issue will probably go away if Apple release an 8th gen 6 core i5 option.

I read only yesterday on MacRumors of someone complaining about slow Bootcamp and the advice was to add an external SSD because the internal drive isn't good enough.

To be fair, I believe that is because Bootcamp/Windows don't support the SSD portion of Fusion Drive & therefore only run at mechanical HD speeds. Friends don't let friends buy iMacs with spinning rust in them.

Thing is - having external boxes and dongles is much less of an issue with a desktop than a laptop where you have to carry them around. My bulk storage/backup is on a NAS tucked under the desk, the internal SSD is big enough for fast access to work-in-progress and the iMac already has more i/o than you'd get in a laptop, so an external hub is very much expansion rather than necessity.

For those who need more then the problem does not lie with the iMac but with the lack of a Mac Pro, and Apple's apparent determination to make that some sort of exotic, expensively-developed small-form-factor gimmick based on their second-guessing of pro workflows - rather than just calling Foxconn and have them deliver a container-load of PC mini-towers with MacOS-compatible components and nice aluminium enclosures by the end of the month.
 
Ever since the original Mac - and certainly since the original iMac, appearance has been an important part of Apple design philosophy. The issue is where to strike the balance, both in individual models and across the range. Jobs oversaw some of the most sealed-in devices ever produced but he also presided over machines like the G3 tower and "cheesegrater" that went the extra mile to provide easy, internal expansion. Balance.



...and the problem there is that nuApple got the range wrong: as extensions of the 12" MacBook range - for users who want ultimate portability over versatility - they're fine (except for keyboard reliability). As the only choice for Pros/Enthusiasts/Power users who want a mobile workstation, they suck.

In terms of the iMac, the only thing really lost in the switch from the 2010 to the current "tapered" design were the optical drive and FireWire. Whether these were "obsolete" when dropped in 2012 is a matter of opinion but I would say that they were firmly "legacy" at the time in terms of their use by new products (unlike USB-A today - I'm still buying USB-A devices with no USB-C alternative and which would have nothing to gain from using USB-C). Also, in my experience, those slimline, slot-loading optical drives had a half-life of about 6 months so I'd rather have a cheap, external one when needed. Even in terms of "fixability" - even with the old system of magnets, getting in to a 2010 iMac was not for the faint-hearted, needed special tools (suction cups) and ran the risk of getting dust between the screen and glass. Now you need a pizza-cutter and a new set of adhesive tape, but the glass is laminated to the screen so no dust (giving less glare, too). Meh.

The big iMac issue, IMHO, is the lack of front-accessible USB and SD card slots. However, the side-mounted solution (as per the SD and optical in the 2010 iMac) stops looking like a good idea as soon as you think about dual-display setups. Having a hub sitting on the pedestal is probably the sensible solution (can we have some TB3/USB-C docks designed for iMac, please - i.e. lots of USB including front-facing and powered by the computer using USB-C power delivery rather than with a huge power brick designed to charge a computer?)

There does seem to be an issue with the current top i7 model and cooling - now, I've got one of those and my experience is that yes, it is quite loud by modern standards when fully loaded but that it wouldn't be a deal-breaker unless you wanted to use it in a recording studio... which is a thing. However, I think that issue will probably go away if Apple release an 8th gen 6 core i5 option.



To be fair, I believe that is because Bootcamp/Windows don't support the SSD portion of Fusion Drive & therefore only run at mechanical HD speeds. Friends don't let friends buy iMacs with spinning rust in them.

Thing is - having external boxes and dongles is much less of an issue with a desktop than a laptop where you have to carry them around. My bulk storage/backup is on a NAS tucked under the desk, the internal SSD is big enough for fast access to work-in-progress and the iMac already has more i/o than you'd get in a laptop, so an external hub is very much expansion rather than necessity.

For those who need more then the problem does not lie with the iMac but with the lack of a Mac Pro, and Apple's apparent determination to make that some sort of exotic, expensively-developed small-form-factor gimmick based on their second-guessing of pro workflows - rather than just calling Foxconn and have them deliver a container-load of PC mini-towers with MacOS-compatible components and nice aluminium enclosures by the end of the month.
[doublepost=1526733916][/doublepost]The only new thing that I believe with change with iMac is the cpu...possibly 6 cores instead of 4...graphics unfortunately AMD hasn't released any new mobile parts so mostly apple with stick with rx 580

Looks like another half year of waiting for a desktop Mac that makes much more sense than an iMac.
 
Looks like another half year of waiting for a desktop Mac that makes much more sense than an iMac.
Sadly, I doubt Apple will release another desktop in the specs range of the iMac. The Mac Pro will probably have specs around those of the iMac Pro and be expensive and the Mac Mini, if ever updated, will probably be equivalent to a 13" MBP or less. So most of us are stuck with an AIO if we want a legit Mac machine.
 
I think people don't realize that even if apple comes out with a new desktop next year it will be out of the range for most people, most likely similar cost to iMac pro. Unfortunately apple has become greedy !!
 
I think people don't realize that even if apple comes out with a new desktop next year it will be out of the range for most people, most likely similar cost to iMac pro. Unfortunately apple has become greedy !!

I don't agree. Apple's prices have basically remained the same for years, just the computers change. So they will be in range for the same people for whom they're in range now (which I agree isn't everybody, as they don't make $300 pieces of ****).
 
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I don't agree. Apple's prices have basically remained the same for years, just the computers change. So they will be in range for the same people for whom they're in range now (which I agree isn't everybody, as they don't make $300 pieces of ****).

Ditto. Apple has traditionally never been about making mass market consumer goods for everyone (until the iPod).

Their ‘Pro’ line is marketed and priced at professionals - even if they don’t always satisfy that particular market segment.
 
Sadly, I doubt Apple will release another desktop in the specs range of the iMac. The Mac Pro will probably have specs around those of the iMac Pro and be expensive and the Mac Mini, if ever updated, will probably be equivalent to a 13" MBP or less. So most of us are stuck with an AIO if we want a legit Mac machine.

This is my issue. I just want a reasonably powerful desktop Mac. My options are the iMac 5K (terrible price for such average components, plus an ancient design), and the iMac Pro (I don't want a Xeon CPU, but do want a Vega 64 level GPU). Might be time to jump ship to Windows and buy a low spec Mac for general non-intensive tasks. The Mac line up is nothing but a joke atm.
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Yup. 2010 on left, 2017 on right.


Agreed.


Nice to find someone that agrees. I'm so torn. I don't know if i can put up with my 2014 15" MBP for another year in hope of a redesigned iMac, so i either buy the minor upgraded iMac announced at WWDC (assuming it happens) or jump ship. I love Macs and Apple, but they are just so out of touch with computers atm.
 
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This is my issue. I just want a reasonably powerful desktop Mac. My options are the iMac 5K (terrible price for such average components, plus an ancient design), and the iMac Pro (I don't want a Xeon CPU, but do want a Vega 64 level GPU). Might be time to jump ship to Windows and buy a low spec Mac for general non-intensive tasks. The Mac line up is nothing but a joke atm.
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Nice to find someone that agrees. I'm so torn. I don't know if i can put up with my 2014 15" MBP for another year in hope of a redesigned iMac, so i either buy the minor upgraded iMac announced at WWDC (assuming it happens) or jump ship. I love Macs and Apple, but they are just so out of touch with computers atm.

The Mac experience was never just about specs, for most people. So if it’s the latest specs you want, yes Windows is where you should go.
 
The Mac experience was never just about specs, for most people. So if it’s the latest specs you want, yes Windows is where you should go.

I know, but the value proposition has got enough worse (specs to price has fallen a lot). Look at the price of the MBPs. £1400+ for a base 13" MBP (forget non-tb models, they use ancient components). The experience hasn't improved, and if anything it's got worse with Apple's poor quality control. I love Apple and am definitely a fanboy, but their computer lineup is a joke at best. Fingers crossed they buck up their ideas at WWDC.
 
The only new thing that I believe with change with iMac is the cpu...possibly 6 cores instead of 4...graphics unfortunately AMD hasn't released any new mobile parts so mostly apple with stick with rx 580

There are the new Intel G-series chips with "discrete" (ie. multiple chips in a single package) with AMD graphics coming out: https://ark.intel.com/products/1304...RX-Vega-M-GH-graphics-8M-Cache-up-to-4_10-GHz - not sure if those are a credible replacement for all iMacs, though (only 4 cores) . Not that I'd rule out Apple "downgrading" the regular iMac to leave space for the iMac pro.

Looks like another half year of waiting for a desktop Mac that makes much more sense than an iMac.

Not holding breath after that little bit of "news management" a month or so back to rule out the expectation of any sort of announcement at WWDC. How long can any actual remaining "pro" customers wait?

I don't agree. Apple's prices have basically remained the same for years, just the computers change.

You missed the price hike with the release of the 2016 MBPs, then... or the $5k entry-level price on the iMac Pro?

All signs are that any new Mac Pro will be Xeon, ECC RAM and "workstation-class" graphics which (rightly or wrongly) carry a hefty price premium, even in PC form. There will still be a "hole" in the range for a decent i7 + prosumer GPU in an expandable desktop form-factor.

Prices of these things are more concerned with market positioning than what you actually get: My guess is that you're not going to be able to get an 8 core/1TB "modular Mac Pro" plus a 5k display for less than the cost of an entry-level iMac Pro, so that would be ~$4k.
 
This is my issue. I just want a reasonably powerful desktop Mac. My options are the iMac 5K (terrible price for such average components, plus an ancient design), and the iMac Pro (I don't want a Xeon CPU, but do want a Vega 64 level GPU). Might be time to jump ship to Windows and buy a low spec Mac for general non-intensive tasks. The Mac line up is nothing but a joke atm.
The iMac 5K is great. The monitor is awesome. It'd actually be difficult to spec a machine similarly for the same price.

An LG UltraFine 5K 27" screen alone retails for US$1699, although you could probably find it for $1300.


Nice to find someone that agrees. I'm so torn. I don't know if i can put up with my 2014 15" MBP for another year in hope of a redesigned iMac, so i either buy the minor upgraded iMac announced at WWDC (assuming it happens) or jump ship. I love Macs and Apple, but they are just so out of touch with computers atm.
Personally I think the 2018 iMac will be the perfect time to buy in, with a hex-core 27". I would have waited until this year had I not been forced to buy last year. I don't have a big need for a top spec GPU so I wouldn't have any reason to wait until next year.


There are the new Intel G-series chips with "discrete" (ie. multiple chips in a single package) with AMD graphics coming out: https://ark.intel.com/products/1304...RX-Vega-M-GH-graphics-8M-Cache-up-to-4_10-GHz - not sure if those are a credible replacement for all iMacs, though (only 4 cores) . Not that I'd rule out Apple "downgrading" the regular iMac to leave space for the iMac pro.
That would be a downgrade in GPU and CPU performance even compared to 2017 models. The fan would come on less often than though.
 
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The iMac 5K is great. The monitor is awesome. It'd actually be difficult to spec a machine similarly for the same price.

An LG UltraFine 5K 27" screen alone retails for US$1699, although you could probably find it for $1300.



Personally I think the 2018 iMac will be the perfect time to buy in, with a hex-core 27". I would have waited until this year had I not been forced to buy last year. I don't have a big need for a top spec GPU so I wouldn't have any reason to wait until next year.



That would be a downgrade in GPU and CPU performance even compared to 2017 models. The fan would come on less often than though.

Yes, the screen is great on an iMac, but the internals are average at best, and the design of the computer means thermal issues crop up under pretty light loads. I already have a decent monitor, so don't care for a super high quality monitor to be honest.

Secondly, just a CPU upgrade to the iMacs with no other changes will be a poor overall upgrade. The current 7700k throttles loads, and has temps above 90 C, so god knows how the 8700K will fare. Plus, the design needs to change, before i drop £2,500 on one.
 
Yes, the screen is great on an iMac, but the internals are average at best, and the design of the computer means thermal issues crop up under pretty light loads. I already have a decent monitor, so don't care for a super high quality monitor to be honest.

Secondly, just a CPU upgrade to the iMacs with no other changes will be a poor overall upgrade. The current 7700k throttles loads, and has temps above 90 C, so god knows how the 8700K will fare. Plus, the design needs to change, before i drop £2,500 on one.
If I were buying in 2018, it'd probably be an i5-8500 or perhaps i5-8600. The i5-8500 is effectively the same speed as an i7-7700K, but at much, much lower power, and the i5-8600 is even faster, again with lower power. The iMac 5K's innards are best suited for 65 W class CPUs IMO, and both the i5-8500 and i5-8600 are 65 W chips. I have an i5-7600 65 W chip in my iMac 5K, and it's basically always silent unless I max out the CPU for 10 minutes straight with hardcore video encoding or something. (I returned my i7-7700K iMac because of fan noise, since that thing would ramp up with just 30 seconds of full CPU usage.)

My main complaint with the design aesthetics isn't the bezels. It's the too-large chin.
 
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If I were buying in 2018, it'd probably be an i5-8500 or perhaps i5-8600. The i5-8500 is effectively the same speed as an i7-7700K, but at much, much lower power, and the i5-8600 is even faster, again with lower power. The iMac 5K's innards are best suited for 65 W class CPUs IMO, and both the i5-8500 and i5-8600 are 65 W chips. I have an i5-7600 65 W chip in my iMac 5K, and it's basically always silent unless I max out the CPU for 10 minutes straight with hardcore video encoding or something. (I returned my i7-7700K iMac because of fan noise, since that thing would ramp up with just 30 seconds of full CPU usage.)

My main complaint with the design aesthetics isn't the bezels. It's the too-large chin.

True, although an iMac should always have an i7 tier CPU imo, especially for over £2,000. At that price there is absolutely no excuse. Clearly the internal design of the iMac non-pro is appalling and needs changing.

I'd argue the chin is absolutely a bezel. A bezel is every side of the screen. They are all 3 times as large as they should be, but Apple won't change them this year i don't think. Maybe not even next year, who knows.

I'll wait until WWDC, but if the iMac is a lackluster CPU upgrade, i might have no option but to switch to the dark side.
 
Which, i'd argue is a bezel. A bezel is every side of the screen. They are all 3 times as large as they should be imo, but Apple won't change them this year i don't think. Maybe not even next year, who knows. I'll wait until WWDC, but if the iMac is a lackluster CPU upgrade, i might have no option but to switch to the dark side.
We are basically guaranteed to have very nice CPU upgrades. In fact, this is probably going to be the biggest CPU upgrades in recent iMac history.
 
My main complaint with the design aesthetics isn't the bezels. It's the too-large chin.
When I see iMacs with the screen turned off I think it still looks modern and even futuristic. It shows its age when the screen is on and the bezels appear IMO. Also the chin is iconic and differentiate the iMac from other displays.

Cutting it in half would be nice though.
 
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