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My 7700K is whisper quiet , then again I don't do anything in the least bit taxing on it :)

Never seen the fans go above 1200 rpm ever
I'd be using is specifically for Logic Pro X, so I'm sure it would tax the system a bit more than average.

It's something I'd just have to get used to I guess.

Question to anybody who can answer:

Is my 2007 macbook Pro going to be louder than a 2017 imac?....that is what I'd be upgrading from.
 
Yes, I can see that. What really annoys me is the reinstalling. Recently I re-installed Windows 7 Professional on a friend's laptop after I replaced her HD with an SSD. She didn't want to restore from a backup because she was complaining that Windows had become (of course) slow and glitchy. So first you install the original OEM system. But to update to the present you have to go through literally about eight reboots because Windows is unable to update itself from the past to the present in one shot. It sees a bunch of updates initially, reboots. It sees new updates, reboots. It sees new updates again, reboots, and so on and so on. And then of course I have to do a driver hunt for all the installed hardware. Hadn't done a Windows reinstall for years and it was the same nightmare that takes hours of attention. With a Mac you put in the original operating system, and you update to the current operating system. Done. Is Windows 10 the same way as Windows 7?

The official way to push Windows 7 faster is to slipstream service packs into your current media. So if you had a Win7 sp1 iso, you could inject let say SP3, so that your ISO would now be a complete Win7SP3. Then you install it and install the remaining patches. For Windows 10, there is not really a need to slipstream, they release new ISOs frequently. You can use that and if you don't want to install individual small patches, you have cumulative updates that are a bunch of patches bundled together. The occasional user may not want to learn all this but when you have a bunch to update, it's the first thing you lookup! :)

They do a much better job and for the usual Joe, their system will be patched. A Windows re-install is not done often anyway.

I do agree that the updates take a long time but like I said, a good portion is related to Windows making a restore point and it does a lot of disk activities. Combine that to antivirus and it's a pain since most people have slow drives.

On windows 10, if you try to stick to Windows store apps, they will update automatically (like windows) and you will have a complete always up to date system. If you need non Windows store apps, you can always install Chocolatey and install/update apps rapidly.
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I don't get all the Win 10 hatred around here. Sometimes it seems like people haven't really tried it.

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people often hate Windows on past experience and if you're don't use it a lot, you won't know how to do things the right way.
The first time I got a Mac, I hated a lot of things about it. I was trying to do things the way I used to do them on Windows and it didn't work. I had to do a step back, learn the 'Mac OS' way and I was able to enjoy the system after that. People need to accept the differences and move on!

Windows 10, MacOS and Linux are great, spread the words!
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That's what I would guess. I can imagine that Microsoft was dragged kicking and screaming into supporting Apple. That's why I don't think Microsoft Office performance on iMacs is a good measure of the hardware's capability. I don't think too many people plunk down the cash for 5K iMac primarily to run Office apps, nor do I think that how fast they start is as important as how fast they run.

Comparing Windows and Mac version of office is a silly thing and not a measure of performance in any way. If someone would measure calculation on macro's performance that would be ideal. Measuring startup performance is silly. Office is built with shared libraries which are often alread preloaded in ram by Windows itself or other applications. Theses libaries aren't preloaded on the Mac and would lead to longer startup.

If someone wants benchmark something, do it from within the app itself.
 
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The problem is that Microsoft only very reluctantly brought its Office applications to the Mac. The Mac counterparts are getting better, but they have never been as good as the Windows versions (no surprise there) and Microsoft has never made much of an effort to optimize them for OS X.

Whilst the part about how the Mac Office apps are getting better is true, I’m not sure that any of the rest of this is true. For instance, Office was produced for Mac before Windows.
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For the price, the performance is absolutely sub-par. A throttled CPU running nearly always hot and an average GPU. I'd call that pretty meh for the price tag.

The GPU part may be true, I don’t know, but I don’t believe there is any evidence that the iMac CPUs are throttled (at least not in general terms), or that they run unreasonably hot. Apple has presumably shipped millions of iMacs and to my knowledge there are no reports of overheating or CPU damage.
 
The Mac experience was never just about specs, for most people. So if it’s the latest specs you want, yes Windows is where you should go.


It's not even so much about specs....its that there are actually no choices for Apple if you wanted a regular desktop Mac. I mean literally no choice. There is a Mac Mini which is speced to a low end laptop. There is the Mac Pro which is a workstation computer that hasn't been updated since 2013. There isn't a normal desktop choice. You either have to get an iMac or buy a Macbook Pro and hook up an external monitor. If Apple had something like the Corsair One it would solve a lot of issues for people.
 
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It's not even so much about specs....its that there are actually no choices for Apple if you wanted a regular desktop Mac. I mean literally no choice. There is a Mac Mini which is speced to a low end laptop. There is the Mac Pro which is a workstation computer that hasn't been updated since 2013. There isn't a normal desktop choice. You either have to get an iMac or buy a Macbook Pro and hook up an external monitor. If Apple had something like the Corsair One it would solve a lot of issues for people.

I can't argue with you there. Everything you said is true. I think in Apple's "mind" the Mac Mini and even the Mac Pro are niche products (the Mac Pro made even more so now what with the iMac Pro), with the all-in-one desktop iMac their main non-portable computer. Except for the very high end Mac Pro (eventually updated) Apple has ceded the "computer box/separate display" to the PC world.
 
It's not even so much about specs....its that there are actually no choices for Apple if you wanted a regular desktop Mac. I mean literally no choice. There is a Mac Mini which is speced to a low end laptop. There is the Mac Pro which is a workstation computer that hasn't been updated since 2013. There isn't a normal desktop choice. You either have to get an iMac or buy a Macbook Pro and hook up an external monitor. If Apple had something like the Corsair One it would solve a lot of issues for people.

This is my problem. I'd love a powerful Mac Mini, but i will likely have to make compromises and settle with an iMac 5K.... I guess 95% of Mac sales are laptops, so they don't really bother with the desktop stuff, but it does suck as someone who couldn't care less about laptops and loves desktop computers.
 
This is my problem. I'd love a powerful Mac Mini, but i will likely have to make compromises and settle with an iMac 5K.... I guess 95% of Mac sales are laptops, so they don't really bother with the desktop stuff, but it does suck as someone who couldn't care less about laptops and loves desktop computers.

Not sure I can agree that "they don't really bother with the desktop stuff," with Apple recently having come out with the iMac Pro, and only six months after a refresh of the entire regular iMac line, and their desktop 5K display remains the unrivaled best in the industry by many miles.

While it's true that Apple was never big on the "big box/separate display" desktops, with both the Mac Pro and the Mac Mini being tiny market niche products for Apple, that's been true since the inception of the Mac. There are plenty of Windows PC choices out there with boxes and displays in all price ranges, and except for the super high end Apple has never seriously sought that market.
 
Not sure I can agree that "they don't really bother with the desktop stuff," with Apple recently having come out with the iMac Pro, and only six months after a refresh of the entire regular iMac line, and their desktop 5K display remains the unrivaled best in the industry by many miles.

While it's true that Apple was never big on the "big box/separate display" desktops, with both the Mac Pro and the Mac Mini being tiny market niche products for Apple, that's been true since the inception of the Mac. There are plenty of Windows PC choices out there with boxes and displays in all price ranges, and except for the super high end Apple has never seriously sought that market.

Sure the display on the iMac 5K display is great, but every single other component is average at best. You can argue it is one of the best looking AIOs on the market, but i still think it looks extremely dated. It's difficult to get excited about the Mac lineup when you want a desktop computer, but have to put up with the compromises of the iMac lineup. Here's to a radical update to the iMac and Mac Mini at WWDC..... *laughs and cries*
 
So, while you all got off-topic, the question still stands;

are we getting a redesigned iMac this year? WWDC?


No chance. Apple are extremely slow to change designs, they don't care about their desktop lineup much, and the iMac Pro only launched a few months ago. I want it updated as much as the next person, as the current design is from 1943, but it isn't happening this year i'm afraid.

I'm expecting the only difference to be a CPU bump (not sure what to, as the current the iMac non-pro won't be able to handle the i7 8700K). GPUs haven't moved on much, and there is no way a Vega 56 or 64 is going in the iMac non-pro.

Long story short, set your expectations very low.
 
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Sure the display on the iMac 5K display is great, but every single other component is average at best. You can argue it is one of the best looking AIOs on the market, but i still think it looks extremely dated. It's difficult to get excited about the Mac lineup when you want a desktop computer, but have to put up with the compromises of the iMac lineup. Here's to a radical update to the iMac and Mac Mini at WWDC..... *laughs and cries*
Couldn't disagree more regarding the look of the current iMacs, their overall performance, or the extent to which people get excited about them. I guess you haven't been to an Apple store lately. Based on your fascination with the dull and ordinary square-boxed Mac Mini I hope Apple isn't taking design advice from you for its next iMac update. Obviously you're not a fan of all-in-ones and anyone reading your posts should be aware of that. While a physical design update for the iMac would be welcome and exciting it is not at all necessary at this point.
 
No chance. Apple are extremely slow to change designs, they don't care about their desktop lineup much...

Long story short, set your expectations very low.
The only reason they might “redesign” the iMac would be for a 20th celebration.

but I doubt it.

It’d be interesting if they merely offered color casing, but there is no engineering reason to change the case design until inner components evolve.
 
No chance. Apple are extremely slow to change designs, they don't care about their desktop lineup much, and the iMac Pro only launched a few months ago. I want it updated as much as the next person, as the current design is from 1943, but it isn't happening this year i'm afraid.

I'm expecting the only difference to be a CPU bump (not sure what to, as the current the iMac non-pro won't be able to handle the i7 8700K). GPUs haven't moved on much, and there is no way a Vega 56 or 64 is going in the iMac non-pro.

Long story short, set your expectations very low.
Agreed. Apple would have to do something special to get an 8700k in an iMac. It’s not an ideal chip for an AIO, due to its poor thermal performance. I have a feeling Apple will skip this series of CPUs entirely and release a fully re-designed iMac next year when they’re looking to get sales from the iMac.

If it was an easy spec jump I’d say there was a chance, but the 7700k already pushes the iMac to its design limits. I really hope we’re wrong, as I’m buying an iMac I the next few weeks.
 
Agreed. Apple would have to do something special to get an 8700k in an iMac. It’s not an ideal chip for an AIO, due to its poor thermal performance. I have a feeling Apple will skip this series of CPUs entirely and release a fully re-designed iMac next year when they’re looking to get sales from the iMac.

If it was an easy spec jump I’d say there was a chance, but the 7700k already pushes the iMac to its design limits. I really hope we’re wrong, as I’m buying an iMac I the next few weeks.
They can simply drop the 8700K into the iMac. It will just be loud like the 7700K.

OTOH, if you get the 8600, it will be quiet and is as fast as the 7700K.
 
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Agreed. Apple would have to do something special to get an 8700k in an iMac. It’s not an ideal chip for an AIO, due to its poor thermal performance. I have a feeling Apple will skip this series of CPUs entirely and release a fully re-designed iMac next year when they’re looking to get sales from the iMac.

If it was an easy spec jump I’d say there was a chance, but the 7700k already pushes the iMac to its design limits. I really hope we’re wrong, as I’m buying an iMac I the next few weeks.

While I think that the comment "they don't care about their desktop lineup much" is completely ridiculous, I agree with you that a major redesign is a good year away. No reason for a major change 12 months after the entire iMac lineup received updates and only six months after release of the iMac Pro.
 
Agreed. Apple would have to do something special to get an 8700k in an iMac. It’s not an ideal chip for an AIO, due to its poor thermal performance. I have a feeling Apple will skip this series of CPUs entirely and release a fully re-designed iMac next year when they’re looking to get sales from the iMac.

If it was an easy spec jump I’d say there was a chance, but the 7700k already pushes the iMac to its design limits. I really hope we’re wrong, as I’m buying an iMac I the next few weeks.

Given that Apple has custom variants of the -W series chips in the iMac Pro it's not unreasonable that they could get a custom SKU to fit in the thermal constraints.

The ultimate holdup on any iMac redesign is A) do they want to keep the RAM accessible, or seal it up, and B) when are fusion drives going away. It'd be pointless to redesign the internals when you've got a 3.5" HDD that is a dead technology.
 
Given that Apple has custom variants of the -W series chips in the iMac Pro it's not unreasonable that they could get a custom SKU to fit in the thermal constraints.

The ultimate holdup on any iMac redesign is A) do they want to keep the RAM accessible, or seal it up, and B) when are fusion drives going away. It'd be pointless to redesign the internals when you've got a 3.5" HDD that is a dead technology.

I can't imagine the user-upgradeable RAM remaining in any redesign, as the 27" iMac is the only remaining computer they sell with that feature. I'd be curious to see the sales numbers for the older user-upgradeable 21.5" iMacs v. the current sealed 21.5's. As for the HD, Apple has thus far been stubborn about that.
 
While I think that the comment "they don't care about their desktop lineup much" is completely ridiculous, I agree with you that a major redesign is a good year away. No reason for a major change 12 months after the entire iMac lineup received updates and only six months after release of the iMac Pro.

I see where you are coming from., however.
1. The iMac lineup is refreshed every 12 months (ex 2016) this is no reason to not redesign.
2. The iMac Pro is a completely different product line and not the same as a standard iMac, despite people on this very forum seeing it as a faster iMac.... Apple are very clear that internally it's completely different and for a different market. The fact it uses the "classic" shape means nothing to the consumer iMac.. Refer to the MacBook pro and Macbook to see that you can have two different design ideas for different segments.
 
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Couldn't disagree more regarding the look of the current iMacs, their overall performance, or the extent to which people get excited about them. I guess you haven't been to an Apple store lately. Based on your fascination with the dull and ordinary square-boxed Mac Mini I hope Apple isn't taking design advice from you for its next iMac update. Obviously you're not a fan of all-in-ones and anyone reading your posts should be aware of that. While a physical design update for the iMac would be welcome and exciting it is not at all necessary at this point.

We will have to agree to disagree. The performance is mixed. The CPU is good but the temps are horrific and the GPU is mediocre, and that's before you take into account it drives a 5K screen. What's going to an Apple store go to tdo with anything? No Macs have had any major changes recently except the MBPs. The design of the iMac is subjective, but i think everyone (except you) can agree to varying degrees that the bezels need to go. There is not a single monitor/AIO on the market that has bezels over an inch across.
 
I see where you are coming from., however.
1. The iMac lineup is refreshed every 12 months (ex 2016) this is no reason to not redesign.
2. The iMac Pro is a completely different product line and not the same as a standard iMac, despite people on this very forum seeing it as a faster iMac.... Apple are very clear that internally it's completely different and for a different market. The fact it uses the "classic" shape means nothing to the consumer iMac.. Refer to the MacBook pro and Macbook to see that you can have two different design ideas for different segments.

I get that. But whether you call the iMac Pro a "faster iMac" or a "new computer," as long as their form factor is so similar the iMac Pro puts a ceiling of sorts on the redesign of the regular iMac, just as the Macbook Pro imposes a ceiling on any redesign of the Macbook. Just as disappointment with the current Mac Pro sent users to the high end iMac, I am sure that a fair number of iMac Pro buyers would have also bought the high end iMac if there was no iMac Pro. If I'm Apple I would not like the optics of closing the gap between the iMac and the iMac Pro six months after the release of the iMac Pro.
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We will have to agree to disagree. The performance is mixed. The CPU is good but the temps are horrific and the GPU is mediocre, and that's before you take into account it drives a 5K screen. What's going to an Apple store go to tdo with anything? No Macs have had any major changes recently except the MBPs. The design of the iMac is subjective, but i think everyone (except you) can agree to varying degrees that the bezels need to go. There is not a single monitor/AIO on the market that has bezels over an inch across.

I have no problem agreeing to disagree. :) You can't walk into an Apple store without seeing people gawk at the 27" iMacs, and the current iMac sales still dwarf other AIO's even with their smaller bezels and later components. I'm not defending bezels for their own sake, just saying that I don't see the need for an entire redesign right now because of bezels. And I have mentioned before the iMac has never been about the latest and most powerful components, and I imagine even in the next major redesign it STILL will not have the latest and most powerful components. It is about the total user experience, of which bezels are not a major part. For these reasons Apple will always have its "not the latest and greatest" detractors, such as you.
 
If I'm Apple I would not like the optics of closing the gap between the iMac and the iMac Pro six months after the release of the iMac Pro.
I don't see a redesign closing the gap between the iMac and the iMac Pro but doing exactly the opposite. With a redesign Apple will most likely make some sacrifices in specs and features to offer a better looking product, creating a bigger gap between the iMac and the iMac Pro. I don't think they could go as far as they did with the MacBook and its single port and fanless design but still something in that direction.
 
I don't see a redesign closing the gap between the iMac and the iMac Pro but doing exactly the opposite. With a redesign Apple will most likely make some sacrifices in specs and features to offer a better looking product, creating a bigger gap between the iMac and the iMac Pro. I don't think they could go as far as they did with the MacBook and its single port and fanless design but still something in that direction.

I agree but they will probably end-up with different iMac colors for the 20th anniversary, so they match iPad & iPhone. It would be a good time for redesign but hey, it's not like they want the best product, they only want to milk the cow. They still have a decent product and they're probably the only AIO with a 100% P3 accurate display. They will probably add the T2 arm chip.
 
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I don't see a redesign closing the gap between the iMac and the iMac Pro but doing exactly the opposite. With a redesign Apple will most likely make some sacrifices in specs and features to offer a better looking product, creating a bigger gap between the iMac and the iMac Pro. I don't think they could go as far as they did with the MacBook and its single port and fanless design but still something in that direction.

Well, the good thing is that unlike many (or even most) arguments on this board there WILL be a definitive answer as to what the iMac redesign will look like, the only question being when...
 
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Well, the good thing is that unlike many (or even most) arguments on this board there WILL be a definitive answer as to what the iMac redesign will look like, the only question being when...

I agree, like the 500 pages mac mini thread! :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I hope we get something at WWDC, but since we haven’t really heard anything now, I sort of doubt we’ll hear anything then.

What I want primarily is a preconfigured model with an SSD. The other stuff really isn’t all that important to me a since it will be a home computer.

The 20th Anniversary has come and gone, so I’m not really expecting anything. I’d love a Product Red iMac or a white one that matches the back of my iPhone X.
 
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