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For those affected by iMac (AL) freezing issues, do you have 3rd party RAM installed?

  • Yes

    Votes: 50 17.3%
  • No

    Votes: 77 26.6%
  • N/A (not freezing, don't have an aluminum iMac)

    Votes: 162 56.1%

  • Total voters
    289
But by the same token - if the graphics card is faulty, how does one explain how Leopard is a complete disaster on my iMac 24" (constant lock-ups), but Windows XP works just fine? Surely a faulty graphics card would take both down?

The freezes seem to occur when the graphics card is asked to perform certain operations. Maybe XP isn't asking the same things of the graphics card as OS X is? The problem areas—the dock, Time Machine, the screensavers, all use OpenGL image effects that you wouldn't see on XP.

That would be my guess, anyway.
 
I'm so glad i did not upgrade to Leopard with all the problems I am hearing about. I will wait until it's more stable.
 
My money is on the graphics card, maybe the drivers?

From my experience, I had artifacts like white dots stuck on screen, fuzzy small colour pixels and then white pixel streaks going across the screen. It did this under Tiger before I installed Leopard and it is still doing it under Leopard with after market memory added.

My vote is on crappy drivers, perhaps one reason Apple should have stayed with Nvidia? However, having said this either way one would expect Apple to sort it out in time... last thing they want is bad press and/or recalls.

The only problem with the "bad driver" or the "faulty GPU hardware" theories is that this is not a universal problem experienced by all 24" Aluminum iMac users. In fact, as bad as the problem seems by the frequency of posts in these forums and Apple's forums and the media attention to it I submit that it is still probably only a small percentage of all 24" iMacs that are affected by this.

It's an old mantra but it's true: The vast majority of those without problems never find a need to seek help in the forums.

It's a real problem of course and a very serious one for those who are affected.

My money, if I were a betting man, would still be on either a software conflict or maybe there is something to this RAM issue. I have an extra stick of RAM I added to my system and no problems but Wakerider seems to have cured his problems by removing his third party RAM and reinstalling the stock RAM. That's compelling evidence but of course his freezing may not be caused by the same thing that's causing other's freezing.

I hope Apple solves this crap quick.
 
I do... I have two 2GB corsair sticks. I have let memtest86+ and memtest run for hours while at work, on several occasions, and neither tester has ever found any errors with the RAM.

memtest doesn't always give correct results. I ran it for hours on a 512 MB SO-DIMM that I knew was bad because it would immediately freeze up my gf's PB G4 as soon as I put it in, even though it met all the necessary specs (it would work quasi-reliably in my iBook, possibly because it had a lower bus speed). Memtest always claimed the DIMM was fine, but obviously it wasn't.
 
But by the same token - if the graphics card is faulty, how does one explain how Leopard is a complete disaster on my iMac 24" (constant lock-ups), but Windows XP works just fine? Surely a faulty graphics card would take both down?

Incorrect. A 'faulty' Graphics Card in this case stands for one that is corrupted by the drivers that otherwise works on the normal HD2600.

Seeing the Windows uses the Catalyst, it might be compatible even with these 'faulty' cards.
 
Aftermarket RAM strikes again? :(

I'd been thinking to myself for weeks now that this sounds like nothing Apple would do. That these video related crashes must be related to something else. Maybe the aluminum iMacs are just real picky with their RAM?

But that can't be it. This only seems to happen with Time Machine and other Core Animation stuff. Maybe Core Animation uses RAM different?

You know, maybe it writes data to a section of the RAM reserved by Mac OS for the sole use of Core Animation. If so, maybe this is why when you try to use Core Animation that a system with a bad stick of RAM crashes. It's trying to write to that dead section of your RAM and because it's dead it just doesn't work.

This would explain why normal use doesn't cause a crash. The part of the RAM where your standard programs and Mac OS runs might be good. But the Core Animation section might be bad.

I'm probably sounding like a technically illiterate idiot right now, but that's how science works. :p
 
Incorrect. A 'faulty' Graphics Card in this case stands for one that is corrupted by the drivers that otherwise works on the normal HD2600.

Seeing the Windows uses the Catalyst, it might be compatible even with these 'faulty' cards.

Perhaps the graphics card in YOUR iMac is defective. This I could understand. Perhaps all of the folks with freezing issues have defective graphics cards.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the normal HD2600". Are you talking about the graphics cards in the iMacs, like my own that don't have any freezing issues?

Then it would not be the fault of the drivers but the defective hardware.

At any rate all I was trying to say is that if it were a driver issue common to all iMacs then obviously everyone would be experiencing it.

If it is defective display cards on those machines that are affected no driver is going to fix them.

I doubt it's as simple as either of those cases. If it is not a RAM issue then I still think it has to be some sort of software conflict in the affected machines.
 
Has anyone bothered to install Linux and test the new ATi drivers for these cards on Xorg 7.3?

If both Linux and OS X freeze up it's going to be an issue with the Video Card.
 
Perhaps the graphics card in YOUR iMac is defective. This I could understand. Perhaps all of the folks with freezing issues have defective graphics cards.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the normal HD2600". Are you talking about the graphics cards in the iMacs, like my own that don't have any freezing issues?

Yes, that it correct. The 'defective' HD2600 refers to the ones that have a bad conflict with the Driver Updates. This is what I believe is happening.
 
But by the same token - if the graphics card is faulty, how does one explain how Leopard is a complete disaster on my iMac 24" (constant lock-ups), but Windows XP works just fine? Surely a faulty graphics card would take both down?


Going back to the example of my previous 20" Core Duo iMac that had a bad logic board (probably GPU) I was able to boot into Windows XP in Bootcamp on it with no problems whatsoever even though OS X would rarely even make it to the login screen towards the end.

No, for whatever reason, how the machine operates in Bootcamp is no indication as to whether or not it is experiencing hardware issues.
 
All aboard the fail train.

Screw ATI forever. Whether it's Windows or Mac, they couldn't make a decent working driver to save their lives. This is pathetic.

It's one thing if the machines just came out a day ago, but it's been a couple months at least. Get it together already.
 
Screw ATI forever. Whether it's Windows or Mac, they couldn't make a decent working driver to save their lives. This is pathetic.

I believe Apple makes their own drivers in OS X or at least works in cooperation with AMD on that end. AMD/ATI makes the 7.10 Catalyst drivers most people are using in Bootcamp Windows with no problems even on "freezer" machines.
 
1.2 works fine here...

I just installed the 1.2 update and as far as I can tell, the machine is perfectly stable and reliable.
I tried Front Row; perfectly smooth with no freezing or weirdness of any kind.
I tried scrubbing the Dock rapidly; perfect.
 
For those of you that applied the update and are still experiencing freezing did you do a PRAM reset after the installing the update?
 
That's a good idea, but I doubt the PRAM could cause the severe video issues people are experiencing.
VRAM and/or ROM are more likely to be the culprits causing the video corruption, black screens, lock-ups etc...
 
Just updated Leopard to 1.3
Did a anti-freeze test with Google Earth latest version which I was never able to run without freezing :mad: and re-tried prior update and.........
working :D

Will keep my fingers crossed and the freezer closed......

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wow, i had no idea this was happening... was about to order a new 24" iMac next week... guess i'll wait until the new upgrade instead...

See my post above about the overall percentage of iMacs experiencing this issue. Far fewer folks with no problems on their machines will post in here than those who do have them.

I think you've got very good odds of getting an iMac with no problems whatsoever and I also know that Apple is going to eventually fix or replace all affected machines anyway. I hope it's soon for the sake of those suffering with them.
 
I have a 24" iMac (Aluminum) 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 1GB Apple + 2GB Kingston RAM. and Tiger in this part of the world we have to send an e-mail to Singapore and get Leopard sent. Guess they have to catch them. It should be here this coming week so it seem Leopard may not be the problem.
This thing freezes playing chess. Two days ago a thin blue line shows up. Didn’t do the update just took it all back to the Apple reseller. They did the update blue line still there and didn’t check any further. Will get a new iMac Monday. This store was out of stock and I didn’t think it worth my time driving across town for more disappointment. I did notice the case was very hot. I know aluminum and all that but did not hear the fan. Does anyone think temperature could have something to do with this problem? Here’s hoping this gets resolved fast.
 
I have a 24" iMac (Aluminum) 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 1GB Apple + 2GB Kingston RAM. and Tiger in this part of the world we have to send an e-mail to Singapore and get Leopard sent. Guess they have to catch them. It should be here this coming week so it seem Leopard may not be the problem.
This thing freezes playing chess. Two days ago a thin blue line shows up. Didn’t do the update just took it all back to the Apple reseller. They did the update blue line still there and didn’t check any further. Will get a new iMac Monday. This store was out of stock and I didn’t think it worth my time driving across town for more disappointment. I did notice the case was very hot. I know aluminum and all that but did not hear the fan. Does anyone think temperature could have something to do with this problem? Here’s hoping this gets resolved fast.

The Aluminum naturally gets hot. The inside isn't all that hot.

However, at this point, all iMacs that freeze should be taken back for a replacement. No fixes coming soon for faulty hardware.
 
Basically, Apple doesn't have a clue what the problem is. All pointers suggest it is hardware and personally, I wouldn't rule out the main board just yet.

Some iMacs being received this week are freezing; I'll let you make your own minds up about whether Apple is knowingly shipping faulty hardware.

I'd also suggest that speculation about the scale of the issue is spurious; just as those without an issue stay away, those who are suffering don't all post on MacRumors, Apple (they make their forums difficult to navigate to for a reason...) or any of the other main Mac discussion boards - they may not know where to go, their issue is so bad they cannot even go without a freeze long enough to post, they don't have internet access and they may even have an aversion to using a discussion board (as many still do).

Talk of 5% is silly; it is obvious that a huge number of new iMacs are faulty. We know it is in the thousands based on the number of posts across the net, possibly into tens of thousands. And that is a number just based on those who know where to complain. Just because you or I post here, doesn't mean to say everybody else does!

Finally, talking in terms of odds of getting a working iMac? Seriously, when did Mac users start accepting bookmaker set odds that we might get a winning machine? This is awful, we should be demanding the best; Macs aren't cheap and we have all sat idly by while Apple's QA has gone down the pan in the past 12 months. Hardware faults and software bugs are increasing all the time.

If we just accept mediocrity through a love of Apple, we only have ourselves to blame when we end up in the same boat as Dell buyers. That is to say we just expect problems, whether they be our Macs suffering through faulty hardware, our O/S having no firewall, iPhoto just doesn't work or our iTunes rejecting our iPods.

I came to Apple all those years ago to avoid that scenario. I don't expect to start suffering that as a consequence of the company becoming too big for their boots.

And neither should anyone.
 
Personally I think you guys need to be more specific about the freezing problem, I bought an iMac 2.8 ghz the 31st of October and I'm not having no freezing problems, but as I said you need to be more clear on that, because I want to know what to look for and what to see so I will know what will cause the freezing issue... I think if i detect that on time I will be able to returned right away...
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