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How can you communicate with iMessage when it is proprietary and is sub-standard when the other side doesn't have iPhone?
How can you communicate with neither side has a compatible messaging app. For one the iMessage platform in the iPhone is superior as Facebook doesn’t have to upload my contact information. WhatsApp is sub-standard since we’re just rendering informed opinions.
 
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How can you communicate with neither side has a compatible messaging app. For one the iMessage platform in the iPhone is superior as Facebook doesn’t have to upload my contact information. WhatsApp is sub-standard since we’re just rendering informed opinions.

Just like you to be argumentative for the sake of it. :p

iPhone user can just install the app. It is free. Compared to getting the other side to buy an iPhone.

(and I'm talking about full messaging capability not fall back to sms/mms)
 
Just like you to be argumentative for the sake of it. :p

iPhone user can just install the app. It is free. Compared to getting the other side to buy an iPhone.

(and I'm talking about full messaging capability not fall back to sms/mms)
So having an opposing viewpoint is being argumentative?:p I guess then there is a lot going on.

imessage is the reason iPhone user doesn’t have to install a myriad of messaging apps. And it’s trustworthy unlike WhatsApp.
 
So having an opposing viewpoint is being argumentative?:p I guess then there is a lot going on.

imessage is the reason iPhone user doesn’t have to install a myriad of messaging apps. And it’s trustworthy unlike WhatsApp.

And be a hermit excluding the rest of world from having true messaging with you...no issue with me there :)

Apple is so trustworthy that it kept denying it slowed phones down until someone caught on..then it gave the pathetic excuse that battery is bad blah blah
 
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Only thing iMessage does better than WhatsApp at the moment is the rich notifications where you can see the iMessage thread from your lock screen as you’re replying to it. If whatsapp implement that I’d be totally sold.
They had that in a test build 2 years ago, but it never came to be. An acquaintance of me in the know with one of the big messengers told me 3rd party apps refuse to implement a rich notification that displays conversations because they want you to open the app instead of just relying on notifications (maybe to track you better?).

That‘s apparently the same reason facebook pulled the rich notification from their messenger app after A/B testing it for a week.
 
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They had that in a test build 2 years ago, but it never came to be. An acquaintance of me in the know with one of the big messengers told me 3rd party apps refuse to implement a rich notification that displays conversations because they want you to open the app instead of just relying on notifications (maybe to track you better?).

That‘s apparently the same reason facebook pulled the rich notification from their messenger app after A/B testing it for a week.
It’s kind of odd for WhatsApp because you can of course still read text messages and reply from notifications alone, and I’m not sure what the incentive is to get you to use the app just for pictures, but yes, I wouldn’t rule out something a little devious.

In iOS 12 they made some enhancements to rich notifications to allow an interactive view, I wonder if the changes also open up more options under the hood for developers who weren’t satisfied before. e.g ability to send a read receipt back purely from viewing the rich notification... or get your location if you reply, possibly something it could only do in the full app before... hmm...
 
What I mean by this is that when you send a message, rather than it 'attempting' to send until it fails (and you get a notification), it should just queue up and send the moment you connect to wifi or cellular.

on WhatsApp when you send a message and you're not connected to the internet, it shows a little clock and that changes once it hits the internet.

or at least give us the option for this

Unless this is in iOS 12 (haven't installed the beta)
That should be allowed. Yes. It should be a feature if send as sms is turned off..
 
They had that in a test build 2 years ago, but it never came to be. An acquaintance of me in the know with one of the big messengers told me 3rd party apps refuse to implement a rich notification that displays conversations because they want you to open the app instead of just relying on notifications (maybe to track you better?).

That‘s apparently the same reason facebook pulled the rich notification from their messenger app after A/B testing it for a week.
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I know, still doesn't change the fact that they don't offer full blown conversation views like iMessage/Messages app. That's the thing they don't want to offer.

Sorry, couldn’t read!
 
Anyone else have the problem I do with WhatsApp? My whole family uses it so I'm forced to use it, but it really doesn't like it if you send too many messages at once. It stops sending mine if I type too fast or too often and since 99.5% of all my communication with family is via a keyboard on a computer, WhatsApp is really not a great solution for me. My wife, who types much slower, even comments about this on her Mac.

We iMessage and we're very happy with it (having both iPhones and Macs, it works really well).

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To the OP: Yeah, agreed. Sending as sms if imessage fails should be on by default (if it isn't already) - back in the day it wasn't.

As anyone knows with Android .... texting Android is an absolute FAILURE. It does NOT work in group texts. So we resort to Hangouts, Google Voice, etc... With my android coworkers, I have to use my google voice number with them or they don't get my messages or I don't get theirs or pictures I send come out as 20kb thumbnails for them, etc...

I don't like WhatsApp because of the privacy Facebook thing and cuz it gets really laggy and doesn't like you sending a lot of messages at once. Now if I typed at phone speed, ok, sure.
 
I’ve seen the concern about privacy due to Facebook owning WhatsApp come up a lot- do people just not believe it’s end-to-end encrypted as claimed? Or are there other concerns?
 
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