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drewjonn

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Well, other than not being able to use my headphones without an adapter, and the white adapter looking ridiculous with the black headphone cable, and not being able to charge the phone while using the headphones, it's perfectly fine. What is a bit annoying is that there are perfectly fine reasons not to like the removal of the 3.5 mm plug, and you call it "hate". I hate people throwing around accusations of "hate" without any thought.

What the hell do you mean by "accusations"?

You said it yourself that you find it annoying. Browse all of the threads created since its release and tell me if you haven't came up with people bashing about the 3.5mm removal.
 

Dirtydutch

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I was pleasantly surprised to see that the adapter was free, although I know to some it is far from glamorous. I don't believe this will always be the case as this is an early adoption of the Lightning only iPhone so don't be surprised if it isn't offered in future iPhones as they would've expected you to move on from the jack they removed a year prior.
 

oftheheavens

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I can get over using an included adapter, maybe...

But my main beef if there isn't a second port for charging and listening wired. Plus, think of all the accessories I won't be able to use now.

I am about 95% sure we will get wireless charging next year. I am about 55% sure that it will be wireless charging that doesn't require you to put in directly on a disc it just has to be in the proximity of whatever charging puck thing they come up with.
 

zhenya

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And you can't imagine everyone else who can't understand why you can't just connect the free adapter?

No, I just am pragmatic enough to realize that a huge proportion of users will lose an adapter like that in no time at all. It's an incredibly clunky solution from a company previously known for their elegance.
 

waitandwait

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Making a big fuss because it's apple

(1) I don't charge my phone and listen to a headphone at the same time. The plug at home makes it awkward to do so. If I need to hear music, I switch on the speaker, because I'm at home.

(2) I will switch on the TV, use a Mac to watch videos at home, not the same screen iPhone

(3) I don't charge my phone and listen in office too. Working

(4) In public transport, I don't need a charger or an extra battery power box. iPhone has enough battery life for GPS and video for 10 hours.
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No, I just am pragmatic enough to realize that a huge proportion of users will lose an adapter like that in no time at all. It's an incredibly clunky solution from a company previously known for their elegance.
Then permanently fix ur adapter to the headphone jack. Its not a banana
 

snowcrash

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May 30, 2011
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I don't see it as a huge deal. When I travel and use a Mophie case I have to carry around a little headphone jack extender because my current headphones do not fit through the Mophie. I've had the same little extender since around the iPhone 4 and have never lost it, never thought it was a pain or anything like that. One of my first purchases will just be a nice set of lightning headphones and I'll call it a day.

What I do kind of think is odd is how Apple kind of is dropping the ball on their marketing/education of it. They should be flooding the airwaves with TV commercials or something. A lot of non-techy people are very confused. I've had lots of people talk to me and say things like "But doesn't it suck that you have to buy those wireless earpod things?", or confused thinking they can't use their current headphones. I think Apple needs to jump on this because I've even heard reports on local news (morons) stating the same misinformation. Personally I think moving to lightning is cool, I think they might have been a little premature in rolling it out.

That being said, I'm sure people will catch on soon enough. I remember when they removed the floppy and then cd drive from their laptops as well. People were just as tweaked out lol.
 
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Picapau21

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Well, other than not being able to use my headphones without an adapter, and the white adapter looking ridiculous with the black headphone cable, and not being able to charge the phone while using the headphones, it's perfectly fine. What is a bit annoying is that there are perfectly fine reasons not to like the removal of the 3.5 mm plug, and you call it "hate". I hate people throwing around accusations of "hate" without any thought.

Honestly...ask yourself how big an issue it really is to use a white adapter? Also within about a week tons of black adapters will be released.

I agree with the simultaneous charging. Can be an issue for some including myself but then I moved onto BT headphones a while back so fortunately is no longer an issue.

Also on planes the lack of 3.5mm jack may be an issue if you forgot your cable and adapter.

Find me a pair of wireless headphones for $150 that come even _close_ to my Grados. (Others will sa the same but with a different headphone brand). That's when I'm at home. Now on the train or the underground, do you seriously say I should put $150 headphones at risk of getting stolen or damaged?

There are plenty of good $150 BT headphones out there. None will compare to your Grado's but I suspect your Grado's cost many time more than $150.

Btw. with regards to safety where do you live? I live in London and travel everywhere with my £400 ($450-500) B&O H8's around my neck. Never had any issues. They are also insured as part of my home insurance policy. Previously, for many years, I used a pair of Shure SE530's with no issues.

IMO its not as big a loss as everyone thinks but my experience of BT headphone is that one of the main arguments with using a cable is better sound quality which is completely correct. The problem with BT is that it forces us to pay more to achieve the same level of sound quality as wired headphone/earphones that cost half as much.
 

rawlus

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Mar 3, 2009
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The question is sort of why are you using a mobile phone as your audio source? Apple is sort of also saying this, your tethering a device that's supposed to be mobile, that's DESIGNED to be mobile, with cords and cables...

Apple is not rejecting good sound, they are pursuing it, but doing so while staying true to the aesthetic of mobile which by their definition means wireless...

If we ever want something better than Bluetooth, and to really cut the cord without sacrificing quality, you have to force the thinking and the focus of innovation out of conventional approaches....

Maybe the question to be asking is really Why isn't Grado (or whoever) innovating in the wireless space considering 99% of the population is listening on a mobile device? Do we actually think that connecting wires across our bodies between these portable pieces of equipment is anything but a means to an end?
 

bluespark

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I find this change pretty frustrating, as I have high-quality wired headphones that should last a lifetime, and I listen to lossless music files. That said, if Apple was going to do this, I think they did it as well as they could have by including a wired option and an adapter, and by pricing the additional adapters so inexpensively. My solution will be to attach the adapter to each pair of headphones I regularly use with my phone. That approach isn't perfect, since I use the headphones with other sources as well, but I think it will work well enough to get by.
 

CaptOblivious

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So just because you do not use the headphones without plugging them in charger does not mean no one else does. Lots of people at work do this sitting at their desk.
 
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Mac 128

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>see picture above
>note the battery case has the headphone plug cutout
>laugh
>laugh again knowing hardly anyone will get why I'm laughing and then miss the point of this post entirely

:D

You know I hadn't thought about that, but that must be the only difference between the 6s battery case, and 7 battery case. I saw Apple was offering both on the Apple Store and now I know why. The 7 doesn't have the earphone hole.

>laugh again
 

oftheheavens

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I had wired studio beats but I was gifted wireless solo 2's ( i really want the 3's now that they fixed the uncomfortable ear pads and the new matte black looks so sexy and would match my iPhone 7) and then I bought powerbeats2 wireless for work to use for conference calls/bluetooth headset thing (don't see any difference other than adjustable ear hooks...really?). So everything I use now-a-days is wireless and they include the lightning pods things I can use while I quick charge the solo's or pb's. Taking out the audio jack really isn't a big deal for me and with the small attachment I think people with even expensive audiophile headphones will soon come to realize it doesn't really matter. Just my opinion though of course.
 

monkeybagel

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I get it. You can no longer connect your BOSE headphone. Bluetooth headphones don't provide you with sound quality good enough. Because I know how annoying it is to use the ****ing ugly hell FREE adapter.

Other than that, I see no more reasons to hate it. Never charged my phone with earphone on anyways. If they hadn't removed the headphone jack, the 7 would have exactly the same shape as the previous version, they're saving the new design for next year IMO.

I don't know any other way to put it other that it's just stupid. It was not causing any issue.

Admit it or not, there is a financial incentive for such a move. Drive up wireless headphone sales (but for the sake of thinness of course). The same stupid reason for dropping the SuperDrive from the iMac when it was not in the way (for the sake of thinness of course) and still being used. And the same reason for glueing the battery in the MacBook Pro (for the sake of thinness of course) and the reason there are no RAM expansion slots on the 21" iMac and even the Mac mini. Planned obsolescence.

I purchased a new Retina MacBook and tried but could not live with the single port. Minimalistic design only is attractive to a certain point and then it becomes a hinderance.
 
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rawlus

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Industry reports indicate that the wireless headphone market is growing at 6x the rate of the wired market.
 

bluespark

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No, I just am pragmatic enough to realize that a huge proportion of users will lose an adapter like that in no time at all. It's an incredibly clunky solution from a company previously known for their elegance.

That's a really important point. Unlike some of Apple's prior removals, this one undercuts the iPhone's elegance, which is a core part of why many of us stayed with it for so long.

Also, a point made above is that the headphone adapter is white, not black like most wired headphones. While that may make sense for the ones included with the iPhones, it's a strange choice for the $9 replacement ones. In most cases, that adapter will simply draw everyone's attention to the problem.
 

Shirasaki

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May 16, 2015
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Humans don't like change! Wireless will be far better and people will soon forget about that headphone jack just like they did with the floppy drive, DVD drive and 30 pin connector.
How wireless will be far better than wired? And when there are just so many wireless devices, there will be problems which does not exist in wired era.
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Then permanently fix ur adapter to the headphone jack. Its not a banana
And buy a new iPhone per day because they cannot recharge their iPhone anymore.
 

JonC

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Sep 4, 2007
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I find this change pretty frustrating, as I have high-quality wired headphones that should last a lifetime, and I listen to lossless music files. That said, if Apple was going to do this, I think they did it as well as they could have by including a wired option and an adapter, and by pricing the additional adapters so inexpensively. My solution will be to attach the adapter to each pair of headphones I regularly use with my phone. That approach isn't perfect, since I use the headphones with other sources as well, but I think it will work well enough to get by.

Will the DAC in these inexpensive adapters be as good as what was in the phone? If not, wired sound will suffer some.
 

Taco1933

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Aug 14, 2014
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Perfect case for wireless earbuds.... No cords tying you down while you are working!

And charge them daily. For many that's a more complex solution than the original problem.

In the end, I'll live with it. I'll keep a dongle at my desk with my headphones. I'll probably have to buy that $50 listen and charge dongle for the car. And if I'm even in anyone else's car, we just won't listen to my music. It's a fairly minor annoyance, but an annoyance all the same. I'm a bit surprised people can't understand why people are annoyed.
 

Mac 128

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Will the DAC in these inexpensive adapters be as good as what was in the phone? If not, wired sound will suffer some.

We'll have to wait until next week for the tear downs. Fortunately these are in the box so I suspect we'll know as soon as ifixit, or someone gets theirs.

I've been saying since the beginning that Apple needed to ensure that their Lightning earbuds needed to be higher quality than their own internal, but the way this rollout has been going I'm starting to worry.

On the other hand, Apple can sell these adapters for $9 in part due to volume. Consider this -- they were already putting over 200 million DACs and amps into their iPhones and docks. Not only will they be buying another 200 million this year, but they'll be adding two additional DACs and Amps into the iPhone 7 box, as well (since they still need an internal DAC and amp). Beats is also using plenty of DACs and amps too in their wireless headsets.

So theoretically, at a minimum these DACs and amps should be identical to what was in the 6s, even if they've gone with a cheaper DAC and amp in the 7. I doubt they'll be better, but you never know. It's what Apple should have done to sell the advantages of Lightning and wireless.
 
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