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senttoschool

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Not really, that would only work for folks who play Switch games. Nintendo in that sense is special, the Switch isn't a direct alternative for a PS or xbox. It's mainly for those interested in Nintendo IP or mobile gaming. That wouldn't do Apple any good unless Nintendo is going the way of Sega, which won't happen. They're far too traditional Japanese for such a step.
Not buying this logic.
 

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senttoschool

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You're right that the Switch is a nice second console to own.

Let me rephrase what I'm trying to say in simpler terms.

Apple's goal: Be relevant in gaming outside of mostly F2P mobile games.

How Nintendo would help Apple achieve the above goal:

1. Nintendo's games would make Apple Arcade 10x more attractive.
2. Nintendo would bring droves of gamers who don't play F2P games into Apple's ecosystem. This would make Apple's gaming platforms more relevant. Overtime, this will snowball and 3rd party developers will release ports on Apple's platforms including iOS, iPadOS, macOS, realityOS, tvOS, etc.
 

ipponrg

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How Nintendo would help Apple achieve the above goal:

1. Nintendo's games would make Apple Arcade 10x more attractive.
2. Nintendo would bring droves of gamers who don't play F2P games into Apple's ecosystem. This would make Apple's gaming platforms more relevant. Overtime, this will snowball and 3rd party developers will release ports on Apple's platforms including iOS, iPadOS, macOS, realityOS, tvOS, etc.

When Nintendo released some of their IP on iOS, people were excited, but it quickly faded. Even when Nintendo tries F2P via gacha, success wasn’t enough to keep Dragalia Lost from shutting down

As a whole, I think your rhetoric is unrealistically optimistic
 

senttoschool

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When Nintendo released some of their IP on iOS, people were excited, but it quickly faded. Even when Nintendo tries F2P via gacha, success wasn’t enough to keep Dragalia Lost from shutting down

As a whole, I think your rhetoric is unrealistically optimistic
Nintendo does not put their best effort into mobile phone games.
 

GrumpyCoder

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Apple's goal: Be relevant in gaming outside of mostly F2P mobile games.
I'm not so sure that's true. At least the mobile games part, F2P is bad for them of course. But mobile games for <$5 is the holy grail for them. Or non-F2P and taking their cut for transactions. As we know, financially they're very successful with mobile games of other companies. I'm pretty sure they'll take whatever they get for gaming and that does include more expensive iPad games and also macOS. But that doesn't mean that's where their focus is for "serious gaming". Serious gaming for Apple is where the most money is.
How Nintendo would help Apple achieve the above goal:

1. Nintendo's games would make Apple Arcade 10x more attractive.
2. Nintendo would bring droves of gamers who don't play F2P games into Apple's ecosystem. This would make Apple's gaming platforms more relevant. Overtime, this will snowball and 3rd party developers will release ports on Apple's platforms including iOS, iPadOS, macOS, realityOS, tvOS, etc.
As pointed out by @ipponrg, Nintendo games are on iOS already. And I wouldn't say these are bad games per se, they're just not what people (including myself) expect from the Nintendo IP... maybe that makes them bad? Considering some of these games are super easy to make, it might make sense: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/nintendo-mobile-games-have-brought-in-usd1b-in-lifetime-revenue. These games didn't help the iOS market and Nintendo pretty much jumped the ship.

So far Nintendo games didn't help Apple (except for their cut) when it comes to gaming. Which brings me back to my original statement, it would help Apple only if Nintendo were to abandon their own hardware in the future and sell the "full" Mario, Zelda, etc. games for iOS and ATV... exclusively. What are the chances? I guess we'll see hell freeze over and flying pigs before that happens.

However, I'll say that it would be interesting to see Mx in the next Nintendo console... but chances are pretty slim for that as well.
 

diamond.g

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Maybe you can show us an example of a AAA Nintendo-developed game on iOS?

By AAA, I mean something like Breadth of the Wild and main Pokemon series.
You think those games would translate well to a touch only input system? I would argue that those games wouldn't be what they are and probably wouldn't have been successful if Nintendo brought them to mobile (remember at the time Apple required iOS games to support touch inputs). Especially for the price Nintendo sells their games for (because why offer them for a lower price).
 

senttoschool

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You think those games would translate well to a touch only input system? I would argue that those games wouldn't be what they are and probably wouldn't have been successful if Nintendo brought them to mobile (remember at the time Apple required iOS games to support touch inputs). Especially for the price Nintendo sells their games for (because why offer them for a lower price).
Yes. I would be.

First, I believe Apple would release an official gaming controller for all their platforms. While most controllers can already do this, it'd be more symbolic and would signal to Apple users to get a controller if they haven't yet.

Second, a game like Pokemon would absolutely be fine being touch screen only. No fast action is needed.

A game like Breadth of the Wild would be similar to Genshin Impact which is wildly popular on mobile devices.
 

diamond.g

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Yes. I would be.

First, I believe Apple would release an official gaming controller for all their platforms. While most controllers can already do this, it'd be more symbolic and would signal to Apple users to get a controller if they haven't yet.

Second, a game like Pokemon would absolutely be fine being touch screen only. No fast action is needed.

A game like Breadth of the Wild would be similar to Genshin Impact which is wildly popular on mobile devices.
And from Nintendo's perspective why would a user pay $40 (was 60 new IIRC) for BotW when they can get GI (which by your admission is basically the same game) for free?
 

diamond.g

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Just a thought, has Apple bought any dev/publishers and left them to their own devices with the software they make/publish?
 

Irishman

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You posted this in December 2020, you have one more year left where apple can suddenly and miraculously replace PCs with macs as a dominant game playing platform.

He’s not an Apple insider, man! Please, cut him some slack. He’s just a dude on the internet, sharing his opinion like the rest of us.

You have all the power, here.
 
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maflynn

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He’s just a dude on the internet, sharing his opinion like the rest of us.
I'm just a dude on the internet sharing my opinion and if someone chooses to prognosticate on what apple will do, then its fair game to offer an opinion on that forecast.

You have all the power, here.
Correct, I have no power. I'm just a member ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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LeeW

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As many years as you like can pass, but unless Apple appeals to the gaming market in terms of price, the gamers won't come even if they did want to buy Apple for that purpose. If the gamers don't come the games won't either.
 

sunny5

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After 2 years, the support rate for PC games to Mac is still disaster. RE: Village is only one AAA game. What happened to your logic?
 

Irishman

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I'm just a dude on the internet sharing my opinion and if someone chooses to prognosticate on what apple will do, then its fair game to offer an opinion on that forecast.


Correct, I have no power. I'm just a member ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh, wow! Does emeritus mean that you’re no longer a mod?
 
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