The obvious, rigidly scripted NPC dialogues might be a thing of the past.
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In 3 years, 50% of all computers capable of playing AAA games will be Macs
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Devs lose control of the endgame.Yes, that would be the plus.Now what are the negatives… 🤔
I’d say in my ignorance, that would not be ideal, and there should be ways to control that to the desired level via hard programmed limits. An example would be CP2077, there is a main story with variables, the game is designed to present this story. The way I see it, the variables would arise in a more orangic fashion, and would also allow for correction of self induced errors, such as a decision you make and later change your mind.
I don’t like that the Phantom Liberty DLC being plunked down near the end of the main story, because it’s messes with the main story. This is why you’ll read comments like play the game though to the end first, and then go back and pick up that story, which feels artificial to me. AI might possibly make insertion of a DLC into an existing story easier and more fluid. No Telling how many jobs it might cost… 🤔
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AI is nowhere even remotely close to being able to insert DLC/new content into an existing story in a convincing fashion, let alone generate the environments, characters, etc. that would be needed in such cases.
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang reckons we might see AI-generated games in less than 10 years
If we could sort out old-fashioned AI in games first, that'd be grand. Oh who am I kidding, bring 'em on.
Nvidia does have a vested interest in seeing that happen.Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang reckons we might see AI-generated games in less than 10 years
If we could sort out old-fashioned AI in games first, that'd be grand. Oh who am I kidding, bring 'em on.www.pcgamer.com
They also have a vested interest in (and track record of) artificially jacking up their GPU prices to take advantage of market conditions. Right now I wouldn't trust Huang or Nvidia if my life depended on it.
I think maximizing profits is what Nvidia shareholders expect.
Sort of like what Apple does.
There's a difference between maximizing profits and price gouging/artifically inflating prices due to heightened demand. The latter is what Nvidia did in 2020-21, and the higher pricing across the board has applied to both the 30xx and 40xx series of GPUs.
From a shareholders perspective what is the difference?
IMO, GPU pricing went up because nvidia didn't want to leave money on the table (that was the lesson they learned during the 30-series time frame). Them heavily pushing DLSS and Framegen has allowed them to up price all the 40-series tiers (except the 4090) and for some reason folks are still buying at what you would say are "inflated" pricing.
If it were just gamers buying these GPU's maybe I would agree that nvidia is being greedy, but the bulk of the money they are making is from the AI folks, whom are also using gamer cards to defray costs (like the Crypto-bros did before them).
2024 March Steam Survey puts Apple Silicon at 70.62% (+0.60 %) market share on macOS.
| SoC | Market share | Change |
| M1 | 27.07 % | -0.29 % |
| M2 | 15.83 % | +0.27 % |
| M1 Pro | 10.73 % | -0.60 % |
| M2 Pro | 4.56 % | -0.12 % |
| M1 Max | 4.20 % | -0.17 % |
| M3 Pro | 2.79 % | +0.43 % |
| M2 Max | 2.05 % | -0.03 % |
| M3 | 1.68 % | +1.02 % |
| M3 Max | 1.44 % | +0.17 % |
| M1 Ultra | 0.14 % | -0.08 % |
| M2 Ultra | 0.13 % | 0 % |
| Intel | 29.38 % | -0.60 % |
I’m on mobile, so I can’t do it, but I suspect that the data will fit an inverse logarithmic curve.
Mm. We're at the point where people are going to start to upgrade from their M1s to M3 or a future M4, and where Intel machines might have to be kept around for software support/lack of funds/etc, really slowing Intel Macs going to M series.
Looking at it, the 3 most common Intel Macs, going by GPU, are 2015 - 2017 MacBook Air, 2020 MacBook Pro 13 inch, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13 inch, which use the Intel HD Graphics 6000, Intel Iris Plus Graphics from Ice Lake, and Intel Iris Plus Graphics 645.
Looking at it, the 3 most common Intel Macs, going by GPU, are 2015 - 2017 MacBook Air, 2020 MacBook Pro 13 inch, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13 inch, which use the Intel HD Graphics 6000, Intel Iris Plus Graphics from Ice Lake, and Intel Iris Plus Graphics 645.
If M1 keeps dropping at it's current rate (something like half a percent a month) it will take quite a while for it to be overtaken.
Of those who have installed Steam. What does it really mean, though? If everyone in the world who owned a Mac installed Steam, where would it be? Nowhere even close to 70%. It makes sense that those in the main installing Steam have an M series chip, which is far more capable of gaming, so what are you likely to do? Install a gaming client like Steam if you want to game.
I just don't understand why Steam numbers are so important.
It seems "we" have switched from tracking macOS share to tracking how Apple Silicon has over taken Intel.
Steam is "important" for PC gaming in so the assumption is it is also important for macOS gaming. Really as long as Apple doesn't fix some of MASs glaring issues Steam will continue to be relevant over the macOS App Store.
It's the only data point we have 🤷🏼♂️
We (I) fully understand the problems and flaws with the data though.
But also it is just fun to track the transition but to each their own I guess.
For me, the most critical number/percentage when it comes to gaming on the Mac is the conversion of more Apple users to gaming. The Mac is absolutely more capable than ever when it comes to gaming; there is no doubt about that. My M2 Mac Mini was great, but my current Studio is better. Even an MBA is decent.
The issue is that developers will not be interested in Macs unless the number of gamers goes up significantly. I see the opposite. Although new versions of games have historically been available for Macs, there is no longer a Mac version.
I just looked at the Steam survey, and the May stats are out now. Windows is 96.21%, Linux is 2.32%, and OSX is 1.47%. Linux installs are growing faster than OSX, and although the overall percentages for installs on OSX/Linux are small, the difference between the two is still a sizeable number in favour of Linux.
I believe the tiny reduction in Windows, if not due in part to uninstalls, will likely go to Linux rather than OSX. Hardware options are likely the main reason for choosing it.
We all know that people who own Macs in whatever form don't purchase one for gaming as a first use. Those installing Steam on M-chip devices see an opportunity for their Mac to be used for gaming as a subsequent use case. It is excellent that it's more capable for that purpose.
The OSX share is growing slowly. But is that actual growth, or are existing Mac users simply upgrading? I suspect the latter. Still, it's a good sign, but it has limited value.
So, a long-winded way of saying Macs are way more capable gaming machines. However, Mac users are still not 'embracing' gaming in a way that will improve it by seeing the number of available titles being offered increase vs what is available on PC.
Maybe the release of these new Snapdragon Elite based devices for Windows machines will help change that. I don't know enough about the technology. Perhaps if we see Windows users starting to move away from Intel/AMD devices in favour of these new and also ARM-based devices, it will see games being developed more in that direction and, by default, bring more to the Mac.
The issue is that developers will not be interested in Macs unless the number of gamers goes up significantly. I see the opposite. Although new versions of games have historically been available for Macs, there is no longer a Mac version.
I just looked at the Steam survey, and the May stats are out now. Windows is 96.21%, Linux is 2.32%, and OSX is 1.47%. Linux installs are growing faster than OSX, and although the overall percentages for installs on OSX/Linux are small, the difference between the two is still a sizeable number in favour of Linux.
I believe the tiny reduction in Windows, if not due in part to uninstalls, will likely go to Linux rather than OSX. Hardware options are likely the main reason for choosing it.
We all know that people who own Macs in whatever form don't purchase one for gaming as a first use. Those installing Steam on M-chip devices see an opportunity for their Mac to be used for gaming as a subsequent use case. It is excellent that it's more capable for that purpose.
The OSX share is growing slowly. But is that actual growth, or are existing Mac users simply upgrading? I suspect the latter. Still, it's a good sign, but it has limited value.
So, a long-winded way of saying Macs are way more capable gaming machines. However, Mac users are still not 'embracing' gaming in a way that will improve it by seeing the number of available titles being offered increase vs what is available on PC.
Maybe the release of these new Snapdragon Elite based devices for Windows machines will help change that. I don't know enough about the technology. Perhaps if we see Windows users starting to move away from Intel/AMD devices in favour of these new and also ARM-based devices, it will see games being developed more in that direction and, by default, bring more to the Mac.
I don't think this month survey is accurate because it's showing the sum of Apple Silicon and Intel Macs as 102.84%. Linux share is still smaller than Mac. It's 1.27% actually. 2.32% is for both Linux and Steam Deck. Steam Deck has 1.05% (45.34% of 2.32%). Yes, SteamOS Holo is a Linux variant but many games played on Steam Deck are Windows games played through Proton, not Linux games. If you count in Steam Deck stats you have to include all Windows games played through Crossover on Mac too which also uses Wine as Proton.
Also let’s not forget that many games now are exclusive to MAS so we have to add those stats to the Steam stats. Most Mac gamers know that Mac games often are ported later or much later than the first PC releases. Many times they’re not even announced until a few weeks before the release. There was a long list here on MR two years ago with games like Frostpunk 2, Path of Exile 2, Kerbal Space 2, Hades 2 and Grid Legends as examples of games not coming to Mac. All those mentioned games are now coming to Mac.
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Sorry if this has been asked before, but I assume the Steam Survey is looking at the actual hardware and OS, correct? In other words Windows games using Crossover/GPT still counts as Apple Silicon and MacOS, Windows games on the Steam Deck are still shown as Linux, etc....