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I have said this in other threads.

If you are in the US, maybe your are very wowed by the iPhone. To me....it is old news.

So is the iPhone all what Apple has it cracked up to be or is it just reinventing the phone for Americans?
If you view the iPhone as a cellphone that has a touch screen, plays music and video, e-mail, and browses the web, it's pretty much old news to everyone.

But that's not what is new about the iPhone, and that's not what Apple is touting as revolutionary. What's revolutionary about the iPhone is how seamlessly all the pieces come together, the intuitive high-quality software, and some of the hardware aspects such as multi-touch and the sensors.

Sure, there are so many phones can play music, but they're still nowhere near as popular as iPods. There must be a reason behind that, and Apple is taking the same iPod formula and integrating it into the iPhone.

If you've seen the keynote, and if you've used "internet browsers" on cellphones and smartphones, you should realize how revolutionary web browsing on the iPhone is. There isn't a single phone out there that has a real web browser like the iPhone. Since when can you browse the web on a phone the same way you browse it on a full computer? Full page rendering, smooth scrolling, multiple web pages open at the same time, and it's Safari!
 
So it's light - but how easy is it to USE?


Super easy, comes with 2 batts that last forever, comes with 2 stylus, all touch feautures....has a Black and white list, if you dont want a call put it in the blacklist and they get a busy signal

NEC has announced a new credit card size N908 in Hong Kong today. The N908 is as small as a credit card, furthermore it is only 12.8 mm, you can put in your pocket easily. The phone does not have a keypad, instead it has a touch screen for you to do all the input. By removing the keypad, it is able to cut down its size.

NEC N908 is one of the features rich slim phone this year, it is indeed a small gadget, but it comes with all the multimedia function you need. First the phone can play music and video files, it can read MP3 / AAC / AAC+ / 3GP / MPEG4 format. Not enough with the internal memory? Just grab a microSD card to store more files on the go. A 1.3 megapixel camera is at the back, you even get a dual stereo speaker at the 2 side of the camera. Quick access button for camera, volume control, power on/off, and keylock control is put at the side of the phone.

You can sync the phone with your pc through the USB connection. Bluetooth connection is also available for wireless connection. NEC N908 will be released to Asia market in Q3 this year.
 
Apple might be able to win over the American market with the ability to browse the internet on phones easily.... but lets be honest, who wants to sit there squinting (and apparently sqeezing) at a tiny little screen. If you're really that desperate to go on the web, then get a laptop.

The only thing that most people (young at least) care about in Europe is the ability of the phone to take decent photos... and we saw nothing of that in the Keynote (that I remember, correct me if im wrong).

If Jobs really expects this to be a hit in the UK he is very much mistaken as far as Im concerned. It offers nothing that you cant get for cheaper elsewhere, except a touch-screen. Texting is HUGE in the UK and there's no way that todays obese chav's can type with a keyboard. And I doubt most people will be able to, or indeed want to.

So yeah, thats my view on this....
 
The only thing that most people (young at least) care about in Europe is the ability of the phone to take decent photos


there's no way that todays obese chav's can type with a keyboard.

These are not the target markets
 
lol,

you know what? I don't give a S&*%!

I don't care if other phones have similar functionality or size or sexual organs for christ sake. what I care about, as a Mac user, is that I can finally have a bloody nice phone that is tailored to worked seamlessly with MY friggin operating system. period.

all you whiners can piss off. if you don't like it, or think your craptastic edge, or fudge, or N890 with machine gun controls is better, KEEP IT AND LEAVE US THE HELL ALONE. I'll be enjoying my phone that combines my nano and my E62 and my friggin RAZR into one gorgeous and easy to use device.

bloody friggin hell.

<end rant>
 
you know what? I don't give a S&*%!

I don't care if other phones have similar functionality or size or sexual organs for christ sake. what I care about, as a Mac user, is that I can finally have a bloody nice phone that is tailored to worked seamlessly with MY friggin operating system. period.

all you whiners can piss off. if you don't like it, or think your craptastic edge, or fudge, or N890 with machine gun controls is better, KEEP IT AND LEAVE US THE HELL ALONE. I'll be enjoying my phone that combines my nano and my E62 and my friggin RAZR into one gorgeous and easy to use device.

bloody friggin hell.

<end rant>
At last some common sense.
 
These are not the target markets

No, but they are the people that buy phones in the UK.

So....

Apple wont sell many in the UK to be honest. Who would buy it? It offers nothing:confused:

And you cant just use "ease of use" as a plus point, any phone doesnt take longer than a day to learn how to use easily.... and its entirely personal preference. Not having keys would annoy me immensely.
 
ease of use

is not the same as knowing how to use...

ease of use adds efficiency. I knew how to use the mac OS for years, that didn't stop a feature as tiny simple as expose from coming along and increasing my efficiency by 20 percent.

so yes, i can use that as a plus point.
 
is not the same as knowing how to use...

ease of use adds efficiency. I knew how to use the mac OS for years, that didn't stop a feature as tiny simple as expose from coming along and increasing my efficiency by 20 percent.

so yes, i can use that as a plus point.


Hmmm yes fair point.

I still dont quite see how Apple can implement such things as Expose in a phone though. I hardly think the ability to pinch your photos is quite there yet...
 
the fact that apple is seekign engineers, etc...

makes me think that the whole point of announcing this thing so early was to garner praise and criticism so they could go back and refine version 1.0 and immediately start version 1.5/2.0

I've said before and I'll say again, I think the component costs were getting pretty expensive and they are trying to push this thing out at no more than their already high price point. I think they have also tried to leave themselves a short term upgrade path.

I can totally see the next version of the iPhone having 3G, GPS, a better camera and larger capacity. I find it hard to imagine it won't support flash and java, especially if it really does have the hardware specs that have been thrown arround.

I also would bet money that we haven't seen all the features yet. I can't imagine them releasing this without the ability to edit text (word) docs and stuff. but hey, maybe there is more going on here than meets the eye.

I really want to withhold judgement until I can get my hands on the final product.
 
makes me think that the whole point of announcing this thing so early was to garner praise and criticism so they could go back and refine version 1.0 and immediately start version 1.5/2.0
.

I can totally see the next version of the iPhone having 3G, GPS, a better camera and larger capacity. I find it hard to imagine it won't support flash and java, especially if it really does have the hardware specs that have been thrown arround.

I think this is why they are having to wait till 2008 to release it in Japan. In its current form it would not stand up to the current market. The iPod is hugely popular but its sales in Japan have actually slowed due to the market for handsets that can download music. Japanese don't like using credit cards online (lots of really bad scams have happened) so the iTunes store is not doing as well as they would have liked. They introduced the iTunes cards and sell them at convenience stores. Even there, they are not selling many. The iTunes library in Japan lacks Sony labels as Sony has their own dowload-to-phone service and they want to control that sector. Many of my friends still rent CDs and copy the music to their iPods as the really popular groups (Sony and associate company labels) are not available.

The GPS feature would be a huge hit in Japan. We have it in many phones now and they have been used by parents to track their children on their way home from school (really scary things have happened so parents demanded this feature).

The phone has to be 3G, hard not to be in a country that pushed for all markets to go that direction. I live in the middle of no-where and I have 3G.

One other issue is the language. Japanese has 11 columns of kana with 5 kana in most columns (two have 3 and one has one). You don't need spaces, you don't need capitals. So a standard phone pad actually is very accurate in getting what you want written. Many Japanese (young and old) are not very good at using a qwerty keyboard so typing with such would not be very popular with the masses. Also the iPhone in its Japanese version would have to have bilingual support. It has not been shown if this exists now, but most phones in Japan can run in Japanese or in English (switchable). I figure this will be easy as Mac OS is the best for multilingual work. The big issue is how to input text that is to the liking of the Japanese.

Another feature is TV. Until Apple gets some deals to sell Japanese TV programs and movies on iTunes, they are going to have to put in a TV tuner. Not too uncommon not to see people watching TV off their keitai (cells) on trains and in restaurants.

Finally a HUGE item would be an IC chip. If I go down to the local Circle K, I don't need my wallet. I just swipe my phone over a little reader and the bill is attached to my monthly statement. On Tokyo, Osaka and now Nagoya area trains people use IC phones as their train passes. You can also use IC enabled phones to check-in and board domestic ANA flights...truely ticketless.

As you can see Apple will have a lot to do in the next year to make a phone that will be useful for even the "target market". The interface and ease of use will be nice. But the overall basic functions will be very important to making sales in Japan. The iPod created a large halo effect in the US...didn't do so much in Japan. The iPhone has the potential of creating a halo effect in Japan that Apple needs.
 
those japanese that said that are really missing the point. i doubt that they watched the keynote nor looked more thoroughly into it. i don't like people who don't appreciate things because they looked at it so blandly, and so generally.
 
you know what? I don't give a S&*%!

I don't care if other phones have similar functionality or size or sexual organs for christ sake. what I care about, as a Mac user, is that I can finally have a bloody nice phone that is tailored to worked seamlessly with MY friggin operating system. period.

all you whiners can piss off. if you don't like it, or think your craptastic edge, or fudge, or N890 with machine gun controls is better, KEEP IT AND LEAVE US THE HELL ALONE. I'll be enjoying my phone that combines my nano and my E62 and my friggin RAZR into one gorgeous and easy to use device.

bloody friggin hell.

<end rant>
If you don't give a S&*%, then why are you even reading this types of threads?

...The big issue is how to input text that is to the liking of the Japanese....
I think the input for text would have to be similar to the way it is on a qwerty keyboard.

I've mentioned most of everything you've said before as well, and I have to agree. I think the 'barcode reader' (or whatever you call it) would be required as well. I don't see a lot of Japanese willingly giving that up. I see people using it all the time.

I've often thought that the iPhone maybe 5 steps forward for some countries, but for others it would be more like 3 steps forward and 2 steps back. Apple would have to release the 2nd or even 3rd version in 2008 to be successful here.
 
Japanese mobile technology...

And it is 3G that has led the Japanese into a world where they can watch live TV on their phones, use the phone as a charge card to ride trains or buy milk at the corner store or take a taxi, and conduct conference calls between as many as five people. Ticket Pia, Japan's major entertainment ticketing agency, has been selling e-mail tickets to cell phones since 2003.

Actually, the above comment is not quite accurate... the introduction of the 3G network has had nothing to do with live TV access (it simply picks up a digital free-to-air signal as your average TV does), or using the phone as a charge card for trains, convenience stores or taxis, etc. (which uses simple IC chip technology embedded into the case of the telephone, replacing the popular IC card that fulfills the same function).

In fact although 3G is far from a universal technology, all of the above functionality is enjoyed by users of all network types. There were even phones released about 5 years that you could download songs and sing karaoke on...
 
The iPhone isn't that revolutionary. Sure its got some nice features and its packaged well but it isn't that far ahead of everything else, technology wise.
The iPod wasn't revolutionary either. Aside from the UI Apple didn't break any new ground with it. But they did release a properly refined product at the right time into the market place. Which is what they are shooting for w/the iPhone.


Its a popular internet cliche (Digg, Fark, etc.) based on the Simpsons quote "In communist Russia, car drives you!".
Which is based off of Yakov Smirnoff (popular comedian in the 80's) who originated the the "In Soviet Union..." jokes.


Lethal
 
NEC N908 is one of the features rich slim phone this year, it is indeed a small gadget, but it comes with all the multimedia function you need. First the phone can play music and video files, it can read MP3 / AAC / AAC+ / 3GP / MPEG4 format. Not enough with the internal memory? Just grab a microSD card to store more files on the go. A 1.3 megapixel camera is at the back, you even get a dual stereo speaker at the 2 side of the camera. Quick access button for camera, volume control, power on/off, and keylock control is put at the side of the phone.

You can sync the phone with your pc through the USB connection. Bluetooth connection is also available for wireless connection. NEC N908 will be released to Asia market in Q3 this year.
Sounds like this is a great competitor for the iPod! .. er, wait. I looked it up online. Yeah, this phone look crappy.

If you look up the specs, you find out it only accepts up to 1GB microSD cards, only has 3 hours of talk time, Bluetooth 1.2 (what is this? 2005?), 1.3MP camera, 2.2in 240 x 320 screen .... and look at it's "beautiful" interface:

imgn908_5.jpg


It's the same lame interface that every phone has. Pixelated, aliased fonts and icons. Barf. Not to mention you have to use a stylus.

All for $329.00.

I've been surfing the "real internet" on my phone since June, when I found out about Opera mini.
No you haven't.

Look what I found on Opera Mini's website:
Opera Mini uses a remote server to pre-process Web pages before sending them to your phone. Web content is compressed to reduce the size of data transferred, enabling handling on simpler phones and creating fast browsing at low costs.
That means it's omptimized for a mobile device. That's not the real internet. The real internet has full size graphics, flash, and ajax. The iPhone can do all of that, and Opera Mini can't.
 
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