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Of course! I don't try to hide it. Any serious Apple fan in 2010 is perfectly justified in their position. It's happening because the competition's offerings tend to absolutely suck. Year after year, it's just one copycat device after another, with no one able to match Apple's design, interface, integration, you name it.

That's exactly why in the business world and for productivity, RIM is a dismal failure. And why Apple has total dominance of the PC market. It's also why Amazon fails miserably at selling music and video.

You don't need to hide it. As another has said - you epitomize an Apple Fanboi. And that's not a compliment.
 
*Cough* G4 cube, apple tv, and quite possibly the ipad *Cough*

They also had a camera that failed, a game console that failed, the newton that failed. I just highlighted a couple of items initially that failed.

I am not siding with LTD in any way here, but these examples hardly disprove the point. The G4 cube is a legitimate failure, but overall Macs are pretty successful. The game console, camera and the Newton were not made when Jobs was in charge, and do not reflect on the current Apple. Apple TV is arguably best in its class, even if its class is pretty poor as a whole.

Really, the only unquestionable hardware failure Apple has had in the last decade is the Hifi.
 
I am not siding with LTD in any way here, but these examples hardly disprove the point. The G4 cube is a legitimate failure, but overall Macs are pretty successful. The game console, camera and the Newton were not made when Jobs was in charge, and do not reflect on the current Apple. Apple TV is arguably best in its class, even if its class is pretty poor as a whole.

Really, the only unquestionable hardware failure Apple has had in the last decade is the Hifi.

It's a strawman's argument anyway. I agree with you - but the nature of this thread was never about whether or not Apple is successful. The issue is multitasking it's possibilities on the iPad.

LTD turned this thread - and others into simple Apple worship rather than talking about the actual issues being raised.
 
I am not siding with LTD in any way here, but these examples hardly disprove the point. The G4 cube is a legitimate failure, but overall Macs are pretty successful. The game console, camera and the Newton were not made when Jobs was in charge, and do not reflect on the current Apple. Apple TV is arguably best in its class, even if its class is pretty poor as a whole.

Really, the only unquestionable hardware failure Apple has had in the last decade is the Hifi.

How are Macs "successful"? They have a TINY slice of the world's computer sales!! Roughly 10 percent or less. gimmie a break. Maybe they make money for Apple, but they haven't ever ever cornered the market for computers. MP3 players--that's another story and the only product I've ever purchased from Apple (10 of them for me and the wife, aamof)
 
Perhaps you should stop insulting the intelligence of the public and/or assuming what they know and what they don't know.
Ah, your same old argument, that the general public are just as good at computers as the hardcore tech geeks. What on planet Earth has made you believe this to be true? Is your family all incredibly adept at using computers? Because throughout my whole life, in all my groups of family, friends, co-workers, I am so often asked for help with their computers on a daily basis, that I've come to understand very well what the majority do and don't understand with computers. Even the things that seem to ridiculously obvious to us can be so difficult to them, and so often do I come across a MacBook user who has nearly every single dock application open without having a clue what those little dots mean, undoubtedly running down their battery and resources.

I really don't understand why you have such a strong faith that everyone can understand things like this. Please explain?

HOWEVER… what I've never been asked for help with among family is their iPhones/iPods. Incredibly enough, they can figure out how to download and open applications all by themselves. Is this because they suddenly became technically minded? No — and it's the whole reason Apple are so successful — because they make devices and software that anyone can understand and use. And I think it's obvious that's why Apple haven't implemented multi-tasking yet.
 
How are Macs "successful"? They have a TINY slice of the world's computer sales!! Roughly 10 percent or less. gimmie a break. Maybe they make money for Apple, but they haven't ever ever cornered the market for computers. MP3 players--that's another story and the only product I've ever purchased from Apple (10 of them for me and the wife, aamof)

Are you nuts? 10% of the worldwide market is little? I see you try doing 10% worldwide in any business...sssshhhh...things you hear in these forums. A worldwide 10% of the market is he says unsuccessful....tsttst...
 
How are Macs "successful"? They have a TINY slice of the world's computer sales!!
successful |səkˈsesfəl|
adjective
accomplishing an aim or purpose : a successful attack on the town.
• having achieved popularity, profit, or distinction : a successful actor.

So they don't have a huge market share, but they are popular, profitable, and distinct. :D
 
— because they make devices and software that anyone can understand and use. And I think it's obvious that's why Apple haven't implemented multi-tasking yet.

No mate, that's not true at all. I know of one couple in their 30s who bought an iMac last year and have since had to buy a PC because they couldn't get to grips with it. How much effort they put into it, I've no idea. Admittedly my mother at 46 or 47 converted to Mac and within weeks was doing the things she usually does, that said, she does still call me and ask how to do some stuff.
 
Are you nuts? 10% of the worldwide market is little? I see you try doing 10% worldwide in any business...sssshhhh...things you hear in these forums. A worldwide 10% of the market is he says unsuccessful....tsttst...

Apple would be very pleased to get up to 10%, they are currently averaging around 3.5% worldwide.
 
I continue to state my opinion because I believe it. Should I waver because you think I should or because you think I should be convinced otherwise?

I'm sorry - but it IS insulting Joe Public to assume that it's too complicated to learn a 2 finger/3 finger swipe while expecting Joe Public to figure out that holding an App icon for awhile it shakes and then he can move it around or delete it.

How hard is that? Really?

Maybe your world is filled with people who don't know how to read instructions, play with something, go online and use google search or ask for help - but that's not mine.

And if we DID go by your assumption - then we would also have to assume they don't know what flash is. Or what multitasking is.

So they don't know the technologies involved - but are you seriously saying they won't notice that the site they visit is "broken" - or that they can't IM someone while listening to music (for example).

You can't have it both ways. You can't imply people are "dumb" yet expect them to understand why things work and don't work.
 
I'm sorry - but it IS insulting Joe Public to assume that it's too complicated to learn a 2 finger/3 finger swipe while expecting Joe Public to figure out that holding an App icon for awhile it shakes and then he can move it around or delete it.

How hard is that? Really?
FWIW, not that I disagree with your overall point, but your example is "unobvious" enough that when you "swipe to unlock" an iPhone/iPod touch the first time, Apple has to pop-up a screen that tells users how to do it.

Not with Pandora they can't.
Wonder if Apple will go the Windows Phone 7 Series route and just add Pandora to the regular media player app. Lets people listen to Pandora in the background without having to support true 3rd-party app multitasking.

Did you read the reviews where the Win7 Phone demo folks wouldn't demonstrate how cut 'n paste worked?! :D
 
successful |səkˈsesfəl|
adjective
accomplishing an aim or purpose : a successful attack on the town.
• having achieved popularity, profit, or distinction : a successful actor.

So they don't have a huge market share, but they are popular, profitable, and distinct. :D

If they are so "popular" how come they have a small sliver of the computer market???

and how come they ended up allowing Windows on Macs? LOL!!!!!!
 
Lets mix it up a little...

Not with Last FM they can't.

Not with Spotify they can't.

Not with *insert any non-iPod music app or radio app here* they can't.

:D

So why not complain about Last FM and Spotify for their poor implementation of their service? If they had designed a web app for the iPhone, you would have no problems streaming their music in the background while using other apps.

If they are so "popular" how come they have a small sliver of the computer market???

and how come they ended up allowing Windows on Macs? LOL!!!!!!

What does allowing Windows to run on a Mac have to do with it's popularity?

The claim was "successful." Market share is not the only measure of success in the world.
 
FWIW, not that I disagree with your overall point, but your example is "unobvious" enough that when you "swipe to unlock" an iPhone/iPod touch the first time, Apple has to pop-up a screen that tells users how to do it.

Well then how hard would it be for them to also do a pop up that explained multi-finger gestures?
 
So why not complain about Last FM and Spotify for their poor implementation of their service? If they had designed a web app for the iPhone, you would have no problems streaming their music in the background while using other apps.

Reverting to a less robust web app is not an acceptable solution for the iPHone's missing feature.
 
Well then how hard would it be for them to also do a pop up that explained multi-finger gestures?

Multi-finger gestures can be difficult for users with mobility issues. I, for one, have found three-finger and four-finger gestures very difficult -- I can't seem to apply enough pressure with the third and fourth fingers to have them register. I'm praying that they don't assign critical system commands to multi-finger gestures, as that would make it very difficult for me to use the device.
 
Reverting to a less robust web app is not an acceptable solution for the iPHone's missing feature.

If the goal is to listen to music in the background, what exactly would be "less robust" about streaming the music through Safari?
 
If the goal is to listen to music in the background, what exactly would be "less robust" about streaming the music through Safari?

If the goal is to only do that then a web app woould suffice just fine, but multimedia web apps are never as full-featured as dedicated apps. Heck just look at the difference between the mobile-web Facebook app and the official FB app.

If I were happy with just getting by I'd be on Windows Mobile.
 
I think a limited approach to multitasking is the way to go. I wouldn't mind if it was just limited to running only one app in the background. The main ones I think people would want would be music apps, email apps, IMimg apps, and Safari. Apple could make it an option to run one program in the background that you could switch back and forth with the program you have currently running. I'm sure the people at Apple could design a simple and intuitive way to implement this.

So you could be surfing the web on Safari and also have your AIM app running and you could keep IMing someone at the same time. Or you could be surfing the web and listening to Pandora radio say.

This seems simple enough and I think limiting it to only one background app would negate the fear that it would tax the system too much and crash your ipad.
 
If the goal is to only do that then a web app woould suffice just fine, but multimedia web apps are never as full-featured as dedicated apps. Heck just look at the difference between the mobile-web Facebook app and the official FB app.

If I were happy with just getting by I'd be on Windows Mobile.

Why would you have to get rid of the full app? All they would have to do is add a feature to the full app the would dump the stream to the web app if you want to listen in the background. The web app could just have basic stream controls while the full app maintains its advanced interface.
 
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