Intel 12900HK is faster than M1 Max for both single and multi cores.

[leman]

Have there ever been MBPs that did not throttle?

Let me rephrase the question: has ever ever been any laptop that did not throttle? Practically every computer that features a CPU with turbo boost throttles — that is part of the normal CPU operation. Last machine that didn't throttle was back in the days before turbo boost became a thing.

I am not aware of any MBP that would actually throttle. Even the touchbar models that have bad rep in regards to throttling had absolutely no problem maintaining sustained clocks over the nominal. I never understood why some people call running a 2.4Gzh CPU at 2.6Ghz "throttling".

 

[falainber]

...yes? That's what some of us buy *laptops* for.

All four of you? Is that Apple's target consumer?

 

[vir]

You'll have it too.

 

[falainber]

Let me rephrase the question: has ever ever been any laptop that did not throttle? Practically every computer that features a CPU with turbo boost throttles — that is part of the normal CPU operation. Last machine that didn't throttle was back in the days before turbo boost became a thing.

I am not aware of any MBP that would actually throttle. Even the touchbar models that have bad rep in regards to throttling had absolutely no problem maintaining sustained clocks over the nominal. I never understood why some people call running a 2.4Gzh CPU at 2.6Ghz "throttling".

What is MacBook ‘thermal throttling’ and what can I do about it?

 

[Romain_H]

You'll be buying a larger laptop with any future MacBook Pro purchase, as well. I'm sure that 20%+ larger chassis will elicit a "well, fine, I can deal with that" from you though. No compromise? I just got done saying how it is the most locked-down, feature-removed version of the Mac in all my history of using them. Once Rosetta is removed, gosh, what a stark landscape. Far beyond just games. You have to work within the lines of what gets ported.

What features exactly are removed? In what sense is it locked down?

 

[Serban55]

At least one 1.7kg 14" laptop, which is more than one can say about Intel i9 laptops

and lets not forget, since my windows laptop have an i9...my laptop is an 15" with 4 fans it it and still a little bit hot

 

[Freyqq]

Geekbench is a very short benchmark. M1 Max is probably doing it at 1/3 the power draw. M1 Max can therefore run at that speed all day, but the intel chip would throttle after a few minutes unless it’s in a monster sized laptop.

 

[leman]

You'll be buying a larger laptop with any future MacBook Pro purchase, as well. I'm sure that 20%+ larger chassis will elicit a "well, fine, I can deal with that" from you though. No compromise?

The new 16" chassis is 5% larger than the Intel 16" chassis...

2019 Intel model: 35.8 cm × 24.6 cm × 1.6 cm ~ 1410cm3
2021 M1 model: 35.6 cm × 24.8 cm × 1.68 cm ~ 1483cm3

My biggest concern is the thickness, because that is what limits whether I can fit the laptop in my bag. Seeing that the difference is less than a millimeter, I will live.

The only compromise I see is the removal of the fourth USB port which is annoying, but then again, some folks have been complaining and the HDMI port will be marginally useful.

I just got done saying how it is the most locked-down, feature-removed version of the Mac in all my history of using them.

Yeah, the loss of that fourth port is painful. Still better than what competitors offer though.

Once Rosetta is removed, gosh, what a stark landscape. Far beyond just games. You have to work within the lines of what gets ported, and forget about running all 3 operating systems with native performance, fellow developers.

When Rosetta is removed the Intel software for Mac probably stops being relevant. As for running other operative systems, Windows and Linux run with native performance under virtualization.

What is MacBook ‘thermal throttling’ and what can I do about it?

That article is so vague that it's painful. First they refer to the old power management bug on some models (that got fixed pretty much instantly). Then they refer to some anecdotes. There are stress tests carried out by reputable reviewers. None of them show any of the MBP throttle.

 

[MauiPa]

I love these threads.

Apple destroy completion : “omg! Look at these leaks. So much power! So good!”

Intel perform better than apple : “got to wait for real world tests”

More like, Intel slightly edges apple with a 14 core high power chip. Raise the flags and pop the corks!

 

[vir]

The difference is minor.

 

[Serban55]

Have there ever been MBPs that did not throttle?

in real world heavy work...the M1 Mbp did not throttle...while every intel macs that i had they did

 

[Andropov]

All four of you? Is that Apple's target consumer?

Yes, I’m pretty sure that the target customer of Apple’s workstation laptop is people who want to do workstation-class work on battery at some point.

 

[vir]

Once in awhile.

 

[Veeper]

I love these threads.

Apple destroy completion : “omg! Look at these leaks. So much power! So good!”

Intel perform better than apple : “got to wait for real world tests”

It’s possible that your first statement is based on real world release, which would mean that the second is not only plausible, but scientific.

 

[KPOM]

A fast CPU also needs to be paired with a capable sub-system. I'm still trying to understand Apple's decision to put 200 - 400 GB/s of bandwidth into a notebook form factor. This is essentially the bandwidth you get at the workstation and server category. Not even the Intel Mac Pro has such high memory bandwidth.

I'm expecting real world tasks to be jaw droopingly fast for these M1 Pro and M1 Max MacBooks.

Isn’t it mostly for the graphics performance?

 

[KPOM]

They already did it once.

Even Intel’s CEO acknowledges that the most realistic scenario to win back Apple is for Apple to contract with Intel’s foundry business once (if) it is able to surpass TSMC.

 

[Joniz]

If it’s not in a Mac, running macOS, then it really doesn’t matter to me.

Like saying, “Look how fast Android phones are.”

Yeah, but I use an iPhone.

 

[darngooddesign]

Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Benchmarks Leaked: Faster Than The Apple M1 Max, Smokes AMD 5980HX, 11980HK

So we have something very interesting for our readers today. We were able to exclusively get our hands on the first-ever benchmarks for Intel's upcoming Alder Lake mobility processors - which are going to go head to head against the Apple M1 Max processors clawing away market share as well as...

wccftech.com

Is anyone really worried about a desktop chip beating a laptop chip? Can you imagine the battery required to run a power hungry computer and display for 14 hours.

 

[bobcomer]

that require constant power profile micromanagement to achieve acceptable user experience...

That's not real world, I haven't changed my power profile in quite some time (years), I always use the balanced profile on a laptop.

So again, why would anyone chose the Intel i9 in such a scenario?

What it runs, you know, their purpose. (and no, I don't game on PC's, I actually do work.

 

[hefeglass]

I have the 16" Zephyrus M16 and it is not much larger or heavier at all (4 and a half pounds), especially considering the new thick boy MBP redesign. I also walk around with it on battery and do things, including heavy things, for hours before plugging in naturally because I'm not sitting on the couch for an entire day.

As the for the 14" comment, I have no idea what smaller laptop features the i9 as I'm not in the market for one, but I do see the top of the line Ryzen featuring in laptops quite often to fit that role. Yeah, we have choice over here. It's kinda refreshing.

I have the zephyrus g15..its actually quieter than the m16, its still very loud. Its heavy, somewhat poorly built too. But overall its a great windows gaming laptop. I did some side by side comparisons for my use and although the 3070 is faster at rendering..my m1 macbook pro was actually much faster than the ryzen 9 5900hs for physics simulations and viewport animation/usability. Soon the rendering performance will be good as well once cycles works with metal.
The g15 is rated at 14 hours battery life from asus..i get about 7 if i am lucky, igpu enabled, low refresh, all the power saving on. the m16 is rated for 10 hours..you might get 5 if you're lucky. And even in this super low power mode where the computer is completely useless and runs on integrated graphics, its still quite warm.

I know for a fact you dont walk around for hours and do "heavy things" on your laptop..they dont allow "heavy things" on battery only. Please stop trying to compare these gaming laptops to the new mbp..they are loud and worthless when unplugged.

 

[sunny5]

Is anyone really worried about a desktop chip beating a laptop chip? Can you imagine the battery required to run a power hungry computer and display for 14 hours.

12900HK is a LAPTOP chip. What are you talking about? 16 inch had 9980HK. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Romain_H]

You'll be buying a larger laptop with any future MacBook Pro purchase, as well. I'm sure that 20%+ larger chassis will elicit a "well, fine, I can deal with that" from you though. No compromise? I just got done saying how it is the most locked-down, feature-removed version of the Mac in all my history of using them. Once Rosetta is removed, gosh, what a stark landscape. Far beyond just games. You have to work within the lines of what gets ported, and forget about running all 3 operating systems with native performance, fellow developers.

BTW, the Balanced power profile in Windows is automatic and already silent. I was just pointing out power profile options, something Monterey is also getting with High Power Mode in addition to the battery saver mode. Tell me you're aware of those.

Again:
Locked down? How? Could you elaborate?
What features exactly are removed?

 

[bobcomer]

Yeah, the loss of that fourth port is painful. Still better than what competitors offer though.

My Lenovo X1 Carbon has 2 USB-C, 2 USB-A (3.0), MicroSD, and HDMI, and weird proprietary port that an ethernet dongle plugs in to. (but it takes away one of the USB-c ports.) Plenty of intel laptops have more ports than the new MBP's.

You should see what my desktop has in the way of ports.

 

[PsykX]

Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Benchmarks Leaked: Faster Than The Apple M1 Max, Smokes AMD 5980HX, 11980HK

So we have something very interesting for our readers today. We were able to exclusively get our hands on the first-ever benchmarks for Intel's upcoming Alder Lake mobility processors - which are going to go head to head against the Apple M1 Max processors clawing away market share as well as...

wccftech.com

Yes Intel's processor is slightly better, but the technology is far, far inferior. It's 14 cores and the M1 Pro can be 10.
4 cores less, 5% less performance.

If you add 4 performance cores to the M1 Pro, you'll find yourself with a score of somewhere around 18,500, given that each performance core in the M1 has an impact of 1,540 in the Multicore GeekBench test.

 

[KPOM]

Well, Apple isn't going to change course anytime soon, so how does this matter to Mac users? If you are a Mac user, you are stuck with Apple Silicon for good or bad....

In other words, if Intel miraculously comes out with a chip that beats Apple Silicon in performance/watt, what are you going to do about it? Jump ship and start using WinTel?

If Intel does pull it off, it likely means that their process nodes have gotten better than TSMC’s. Apple very likely would contract with Intel Foundries to build their chips.