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Intel Alder Lake vs. Apple M1
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It's Apple's primary mover, as part of their fiduciary duty to their shareholders.
Not sure why you don't expect to be paid for whatever you do.... I guess if it's just a hobby....
I see this quite a bit on these forums and it’s inexplicable to me.
Why do you, since you apparently have both Macs and PCs, act as if you can’t keep having Macs and PCs because there exist software that doesn’t run under MacOS? You evidently have no issues running that specific code on PCs, so why do you insist that your Macs have to do it too?
It’s similar in the gaming discussions, where some posters even though they can game on their phones, iPads, consoles and PCs insist that Macs are out of the running for purchase because they don’t have a huge games library. They already have gaming covered over multiple devices with enough games to while away their lifetimes ten times over, and they still insist that MacOS is not valid for them because of limited games support.
I just can’t understand it.
Marginally (very marginally….) more understandable are those that insist on only owning a single device, that of course then has to do everything. It’s a piss poor obsession to have unless you are just too financially constrained to own more than a single chromebook or Windows laptop in which case Macs were never on the table as an option anyway.
When I’m not dipping my toes in on-line forum waters, people are much more pragmatic about their computing. They need Windows specific software => they buy Windows boxes that are adequate for the task. And if they for whatever reason prefer to use MacOS, that doesn’t force them to toss their Macs in a dumpster, the new Windows box is simply another supplemental device. Like their phone, their pens, their…
You pick the tool you like/need for the task at hand. You ARE allowed to use more than one tool. It’s OK.
I have Windows, Apple Silicon and Intel macOS on my table. I also have a Linux system on another desk. Use the appropriate tool for the job. I don't get the people that whine and complain about their choices. There are things that I'd like products to do in one but they aren't made so I buy two or three things to get the job done.
You are being forced to buy Apple's products? That's terrible!
Apple's primary mover is to be the best at what they do and make new things other's can't make work. They are not a trading company like Samsung, their business is not build upon "get into whatever kids like these days and pump out stuff that market likes".
Is it really so black and white for you? You are either in it for money only or you are doing it for free? Don't worry about me, I never do things for free (not professionally at least). But I also don't do things that I consider boring, useless or questionable.
Yep, Apple's matrix units are quite good.
Oh, I don't. But some people might. There was for example a rather heated discussion on chess engines, some of which really on custom neural network implementations. You want SIMD throughput for this.
SIMD is also increasingly used in general computing, for example for things like UTF8 processing, JSON parsing or hash table (Google Swiss Tables), but for these things latency still trumps throughput, and Apple's wide design works very well.
Because I want to be able to do what I need, with whatever machine I'm using at the time. because I may have only one available at the time. I'm not always at home.
Yes, I have the money for multiple machines, and indeed, own several, but I don't want to have them sitting out all the time. There are times in my job where I need to do something quickly, so that takes more time to get another machine out, plug it in, boot it up, ..., and minimizing time is critical. Due to physical problems I've always had, I don't move that well to do something quickly like that without it already being at hand.
I really don't understand your POV either...
It’s also on an unreleased laptop, so I’m gonna wait until it’s released before believing the power claims at face value.
EDIT: I feel like I should clarify that while I’m a Mac fanboi I’m probably gonna build an Intel desktop for Linux and Windows experimentation. (As soon as Gigabyte releases an LGA 1700 “Vision” board) So I do have a horse in Intels race.
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Agree..usually what is on the net , you cut around 20% performance and you will get the real life scores
How do you fake geekbench scores.
This is going to be a sick laptop with 32gb of quad channel ddr5 ram too
Razer Blade 15 (2022) - RZ09-0421 - Geekbench
Benchmark results for a Razer Blade 15 (2022) - RZ09-0421 with an Intel Core i7-12800H processor.
browser.geekbench.com
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Their primary mover is to make money for their shareholders. That's the job of any publicly-traded corporation. What's a "trading company"? A normal one without the pretension? If Apple doesn't sell things the market likes, I'm not sure what you think that strategy would get them. Look at the additional ports added to the Macbook Pro. That's responding to the market. No company is immune to market forces.
I don't either, I just expect to be paid for what I do. Mortgages aren't paid by themselves.
Part of it is likely due to the premium prices (at lease perceived) Apple charges. Tends to make one want to get the most out of the investment. Use it for more tasks.
A BMW M3 costs a lot of money, too, but I don’t see people insisting it needs a pickup bed and a trailer hitch so purchasers can get their moneys worth.
A Macbook isn't a rackmount server either nor does it make coffee for you.
We're talking about what are essentially home and low-end workstation computer software support.
If purchasers of said M3 could drive on some roads and not others or go to only certain destinations, how many would be interested in the M3 and feel it worthwhile?
A purchaser of an M3 *can* only drive on some roads and not others and go to only certain destinations. There are places you can get to in a Jeep that you can’t get to in an M3. It’s a tool that does a set of jobs. If it doesn’t do all the jobs you need it to do, you can either buy something instead of an M3, or you can buy something in addition to an M3.
Same deal with a Mac.
An M3 can’t haul big heavy **** like my ****** hatchback, therefore my hatchback is the superior car.
Do you see the logical fallacy here?
You use the tool that best suits your needs, and if it doesn’t then that’s your problem, not the tool.
Ask users why they want to be able to game on their expensive M1 16", then? Lots of threads regarding it here. You're putting far to fine a point on your car analogy.
Ask them why they bought a Mac when the “Macs can’t game” meme is two decades old?
We're discussing available software for a home computer that is at least physically (for the pedants in this thread: the HARDWARE theoretically is, at least) capable of running it, not the fact that a hammer isn't a screwdriver.
Going back to the silly M3 analogy and towing:
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Seriously: read what I originally posted. Ask people who want to play games on their systems WHY they want to play games or whatever on their new Macbook and not have to buy another computer to do so.
And isn’t this compatibility argument old as dirt even? Since Windows has been ubiquitous for more than 20 years, and is consistently backwards compatible, yeah it’s gonna have a bigger software library.
If you care about that why buy a Mac at all?
I’m having serious difficulty wrapping my head around this. I know personally I use Mac at home because it’s less headache than Windows. It runs the programs I need (really well), and it’s a great machine overall.
I assessed my needs and bought the appropriate product. What’s so difficult to understand?
If you care about that why buy a Mac at all?
I’m having serious difficulty wrapping my head around this. I know personally I use Mac at home because it’s less headache than Windows. It runs the programs I need (really well), and it’s a great machine overall.
I assessed my needs and bought the appropriate product. What’s so difficult to understand?
I'm not understanding why you didn't understand my original comment, but I'm done here.