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Intel Alder Lake vs. Apple M1
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its from here
Next workstation-class mac will be called Mac Studio
Might be that they have already stopped making anything Intel (except maybe the MacPro) and supply will just run out sometime in Q2. As for ARM-iMacs, this would only apply to the bigger "Pro" model which might come out at the same time or even later so no sale lost either. This is assuming...
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I hadn’t seen that thread, thanks!its from here
Next workstation-class mac will be called Mac Studio
Might be that they have already stopped making anything Intel (except maybe the MacPro) and supply will just run out sometime in Q2. As for ARM-iMacs, this would only apply to the bigger "Pro" model which might come out at the same time or even later so no sale lost either. This is assuming...
This seems to be in line with what you are saying for the M2. 1869 Single Core/8900 Muti-core.
Please, don’t quote that horrible site. They are just publishing guesses we post here to generate ad traffic. CPU monkey is not a serious website.
That would be a pretty big jump for their low-end CPU. Those scores are actually already insane for low-end CPUs. I'm running iMacs with 3,700 and 2,200 GB5 scores and they're running large workloads (in terms of RAM and GPU) and performance is decent. 8,900 for a low-end system? It's really going to kill the market for Intel Macs when they fill out their product line. The main reason I like the old iMacs is their screen/speaker/microphones/camera and that you can put in a lot of cheap RAM.
I don't plan to replace the iMacs with Apple Silicon but I could change my mind.
I agree with @leman here, those benchmarks are probably just an educated guess. In any case, I'd expect the multicore benchmarks to get a slightly bigger boost than the single core ones (as it happens on that benchmark, real or not). The A15 E cores did get a solid performance improvement, +23% on SPECint17 according to AnandTech. The E cores only make a (relatively) small fraction of the total M1 multicore performance, but still.
And that's only a 'lower bound' of what we could see. There could be M2-specific changes to further improve those scores, potentially by a lot.
Whether they're guessing or not is besides the point: they are clearly not serious, as they don't include Stockfish results.
If they're worth their salt, all serious engineers know that cooling capacitors is of primary import; so, likely not... Apple doesn't employ serious engineers. /s
Apple Leadership - Johny Srouji
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So probably you and your friend are living in the past when Ive made a macbook air with a fan without a heat pipe for Intel SoC.
Lenovo, Hp , Samsung, Microsoft "doesn't" employ serious engineers
Absolutely not! Mac Mini can do maybe 60W on a good day, so it’s the same ballpark as the 14“ MacBook Pro. It might work for a single M1 Max - most of the time at least, but it will be pushing the thermals in heavy GPU workload.
some users are saying the current mac mini cooling its good enough
Maybe im wrong. Hes saying the current intel one is on the same level as dual m1 max
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The six-core 2018 Mac mini can get pretty hot. It's the biggest complaint. The second-biggest is choppiness on 4k monitors - the iGPU is a bit weak. The Studio should solve cooling problems if we actually get something that big.
I disagree about the companies you've mentioned --- I'm sure serious engineers are employed by them all.This is one is one of the greatest SoC engineersApple Leadership - Johny Srouji
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So probably you and your friend are living in the past when Ive made a macbook air with a fan without a heat pipe for Intel SoC.
Lenovo, Hp , Samsung, Microsoft "doesn't" employ serious engineers
That aside, please reread what I wrote.
I have one of those 6 core mac mini's, bought in 2020. Yes, it gets hot and would most likely need better cooling for a dual M1 Max. It doesn't throttle though, so maybe there's more thermal room.
Plenty of space for it I think.
Plus, since it doesn’t have a tail it’s not a monkey, even if it has a monkey kind of shape.
M1 Max is 70-80 watts on full load, closer to 50-60 watts in typical GPU loads. A dual system would need up to 150-170W of power. The “hottest” CPU ever used in a Mini was 65W. No way in hell.
Remember that TDP is base frequency (3.20GHz) for Coffee Lake i7-8700B. It can Turbo Boost up to 4.60GHz and use 122 Watt.
I am talking about sustained operation. The mini cannot sustain the 8700B at full turbo.
In general, Apple designs their hardware so that it hits close to maximal safe operating temperature while running at sustained design TDP. This is certainly the case for mobile. I never tested a Mini and dint know how it works, but I’d assume it will be something similar.