I don't see another way out though. Yes, performance hit like another layer of cache. I imagine that it would sell anyways.
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Intel Alder Lake vs. Apple M1
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I don't see another way out though. Yes, performance hit like another layer of cache. I imagine that it would sell anyways.
I am impressed by the interconnect technology. At those bandwidth levels it would really work like a single chip. This is much faster than Infinity Fabric. Things look very well for Apple indeed!
They didn't put any numbers on the latency, did they? Bandwidth is impressive nonetheless, can't wait to read the reviews.
They said there will still be a Mac Pro. Probably 4 M1 Max’s. Question is upgradability. I mean they just redesigned it in 2019 to be modular….
Apple won’t do this, but it would be cool if they made a Metal graphics card for Mac Pro that could also be used as an eGPU for all M1 Macs.
I believe they called M1 Ultra 'the last chip of the M1 family' during the keynote. Anyhow, the M1 Pro/Max/Ultra only supports two-die interconnect, so there can't be a 4-die M1 Max. That'd only be possible with a redesigned chip.
Yeah, it’s a shame that all the folks known for in-depth reviews have quit. We are left with barely competent folks like Linux Tech Tips and barely incompetent folks like Max Tech 😑 Oh well…
Another noticeable thing is that M1 Ultra has the same SLC cache size as M1 Max. Do they mirror the caches to improve coherency?
Amen to that. And I'm *still* tempted. I'm itching to figure out how fast it can emulate other architectures, as well as do my normal stuff.
I'll probably argue my way out of buying it though, and get a Max instead. Studio Max, 64G RAM, 1TB disk is what I'm thinking. I wonder what they will give me for my M1 MBA, maybe I can go better.
With how you describe your normal stuff I’d caution you against buying any Apple Silicon device until if/when Windows 11 gets supported.Amen to that. And I'm *still* tempted. I'm itching to figure out how fast it can emulate other architectures, as well as do my normal stuff.
I'll probably argue my way out of buying it though, and get a Max instead. Studio Max, 64G RAM, 1TB disk is what I'm thinking. I wonder what they will give me for my M1 MBA, maybe I can go better.
And now to answer your question definitively: I love the display but I can’t justify the price. I would buy it if it were $999
Yeah, I don't expect much from the YouTube creators, the platform just rewards other things. They might be the 'second best' option for a while, but I hope someone else steps up at some point.
We'll see what they've done with the caches. Making them fully synched seems like a waste, but maybe not having them synched could introduce subtle multithreading problems instead of transparently behaving like a single die to the developer.
Another thing I remembered during the keynote: the M1 Max die already has two Neural Engines, although one of them is turned off for some reason. But whatever the reason, it hasn't changed, since the M1 Ultra advertises only 2x Neural Engines. Feels weird that they didn't bother to fix it.
This is purely for home, and I also have decent Windows machines at home. I wont be counting on Windows on Arm with this machine at all. Either it will be fast enough to emulate x64 Windows, or it wont -- that's really the only question, but that wont be a necessary thing, just a mild want. I can always RDP into one of my Windows machines at home if necessary. I do most of my work work in VM's so it wont really be any different for that stuff.
The thing with my disappointment with the MBA is I wanted to use it for travel, and thus it *needed* good Windows emulation to do the job I wanted it to do. The Studio wouldn't as it will sit on my desk with my Intel Mini, and my Windows Workstation.
I'm very curious about this as well. They just made a major move a few years ago to make Mac Pro's modular and upgradeable again. With the RAM now being integrated into the SOC on the M1, they would either have to walk back user-upgradeability, or release a different kind of SOC for the pro lineup.
GPUs are also integrated now, and I could see some still wanting to plug in 2x or 4x GPU configs on the Mac Pro. Apple could of course support PCI-E GPUs on the Apple-Silicon Mac Pro if they wanted, but it would create a segregated market of Apple-Silicon Macs where the Mac Pros are the only ones using non-Apple GPUs.
I certainly hope Apple continues to make the upcoming Apple-silicon Mac Pro's modular, but I'm not sure I really see that being the direction that Apple is going. I have a feeling we're more likely to see 4x M1 Max systems instead, taking after the Mac Studio that just arrived.
I'm expecting it to be the same considering the single core performance didn't go up, or did I miss that?Amen to that. And I'm *still* tempted. I'm itching to figure out how fast it can emulate other architectures, as well as do my normal stuff.
I'll probably argue my way out of buying it though, and get a Max instead. Studio Max, 64G RAM, 1TB disk is what I'm thinking. I wonder what they will give me for my M1 MBA, maybe I can go better.
Yeah, I was hoping for a better price on that too. No way am I paying that, 27" 4K monitors are cheap.
No chance it was gonna be $999. I was pleasantly surprised that it was only $1599 and not $1999.
The memory bandwidth is one difference, and the other is purely more cores. I would expect it to be somewhat faster for multiple VM's at once and allowing more cores for single VM's.
But like you say, it can't be a lot faster, it's still the same cores, but the more you can allocate to VM's most definitely helps. My Windows Workstation has an i9 10900 (10 core) and 128G RAM, and it can run several well provisioned VM's at once. Emulation is a killer, so every little bit helps.