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spencecb

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And another thing none of you are thinking about, the very same iMac G5's that are so beautiful looking on the inside (the ones I mentioned in my post about that can have the back panel removed) they will look EXACTLY THE SAME IF THE LCD IS REMOVED FROM IT AND WE SEE THE SIDE OF THE MOBO THAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE REV. C G5'S AND NEW INTELS.

You people are so frustrating!
 

guffman

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mac.head.high said:
Also The MacBook Pro has an intentionally slower CD/DVD drive in-order to keep that slim-line look. So if you encode from the CD itself, your at the mercy of the drive speed as well.

Intentionally slower than what? The powerbook G4? Becuase in reading CDs, the MBP has the same read speed (24x) as the PB G4.
 

Nermal

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guffman said:
Intentionally slower than what? The powerbook G4? Becuase in reading CDs, the MBP has the same read speed (24x) as the PB G4.

It has a slower DVD write speed.
MBP: 4x, and only supports single layer
PB: 8x, and supports double layer (although DL is only 2.4x IIRC)

I don't understand the comment about encoding from CDs though, as that shouldn't be any different.
 

nsjoker

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man, this really irks me. it's not that the iMac is ugly on the inside, but uglier than a typical PC on the inside :/ i haven't come across any PC's with foil and tape allover the place :( i don't think i'd recommend touching anything from apple for at least six months until they spend more than 5 minutes "designing" the inside.
 

frome

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I think apple should upgrade the imac and make it thinner (it has spare space left), make the back open and clean up the insides up so that it looks better than even the iMac G5 Rev A and B (like the Powermac G5). :rolleyes: Also it would be nice for it to come in gloss black. :D
 

kalisphoenix

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Linux is a messy kernel with outstanding performance... HURD is a very clean and well-designed kernel with lousy performance. So much for the merits of aesthetics in, you know, computer/software design.

I wonder if NeXT might have succeeded, had Steve not insisted on painting the facility many times in order to get the "perfect" shade of gray...
 

guffman

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Nermal said:
It has a slower DVD write speed.
MBP: 4x, and only supports single layer
PB: 8x, and supports double layer (although DL is only 2.4x IIRC)

I don't understand the comment about encoding from CDs though, as that shouldn't be any different.

No, I understand the drive was downgraded, but the orginal post was in response to low benchmark iTunes encoding tests, and saying that the MBP was downgraded, but in terms of encoding, the read speed remains the same from the PBG4.

Oh, and one more thing. I see what all the complaining is about in reguards to the inside of the intel iMac. but have we seen the backside of it? It seems like the backside of the G5 is comparable to the front side of the Intel. could this possibly still be the case? or does the Intel only open one way, meaning we've seen it's best side, which, i admit, is pretty sad when compared to the G5.
 

BakedBeans

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what is annoying me with this thread is that people seem to think this is because apple put the intl in the imac - it isnt. it was messy before that - the isight rev made it messy

nsjoker said:
man, this really irks me. it's not that the iMac is ugly on the inside, but uglier than a typical PC on the inside :/ i haven't come across any PC's with foil and tape allover the place :(

you also havent seen a pc with a 1.5 inch case including monitor.
 

guffman

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BakedBeans said:
what is annoying me with this thread is that people seem to think this is because apple put the intl in the imac - it isnt. it was messy before that - the isight rev made it messy

No, it's been well established on this thread that REV C. is messy. REVs A & B looked good. Although I can't figure out why adding a small camera could really screw up the clean inner design that A&B had.



BakedBeans said:
you also havent seen a pc with a 1.5 inch case including monitor.

Great point!
 

BakedBeans

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guffman said:
No, it's been well established on this thread that REV C. is messy. REVs A & B looked good. Although I can't figure out why adding a small camera could really screw up the clean inner design that A&B had.

no - i know people said but other just didnt get it. people seem to think its apples fault - if they could have made it look like the rev a imac then im sure they would have.

personally im more worried about how fast it is - what it looks like from the outside - and what operting system it runs rather than if the internals are as sweet as before (and they were sweet)
 

Nermal

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guffman said:
or does the Intel only open one way, meaning we've seen it's best side, which, i admit, is pretty sad when compared to the G5.

Correct, it only opens from the front.
 

SiliconAddict

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2nyRiggz said:
i care how it looks inside...im paying alot of freaking money for style and performance....if u dont care then get a dell.:p

Bless

You, sir, are childish. Only someone who is irrational, petty, and pretty much immature cares what is inside a computer you would open maybe once or twice in its lifetime to upgrade. If the system is a screamer. If the system looks sexy from the outside. If how its arranged inside doesn't affect performance. (Or do you think the iMac's fung sui is important. :rolleyes: ) Who gives a flying ****. :mad: Seriously. Grow up.
 

guffman

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BakedBeans said:
no - i know people said but other just didnt get it. people seem to think its apples fault - if they could have made it look like the rev a imac then im sure they would have.

personally im more worried about how fast it is - what it looks like from the outside - and what operting system it runs rather than if the internals are as sweet as before (and they were sweet)

I'm with you...I could care less how it looks on the inside, but it would be nice to know why Apple downgraded their inner design...they used to look really nice
 

verb

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guffman said:
I'm with you...I could care less how it looks on the inside, but it would be nice to know why Apple downgraded their inner design...they used to look really nice

I'd argue they didn't downgrade their internal design, just had to design with many more constraints. I bet we'll see this with every new form factor. The new iMac form factor will integrate iSight HiFi and Blu-Ray simply and elegantly because the designers got to design the case around the components and the components around the case. When they have to cram technology X into the same form factor...it will get messy again.

Part of this is money and time. When they added the iSight the engineers were probably not given the time or budget to completely redesign the interior to accomodate it. They, therefore, were probably happy just to fit it in there in the first place.
 

Platform

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I second that. So it is using an external SO-DIMM slot. Now that I'd like to know is what's on the inside. I know you can get x2 memory configurations. So you can have a single 1 GB of RAM inside? That must mean it's not soldered inside or that you can get a 1 GB soldered inside. Yeah, confusing but it adds another supply run you have to make. 512 soldered and 1 GB soldered inside.

512MB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 1x512
1GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x512 [Add $90]
1GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 1x1GB [Add $90]
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB [Add $270]

I'm glad that I have desktop modules in mine, they are cheaper and have the option of 2GB, will upgrade when they come down in price ;)
 

guffman

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verb said:
I'd argue they didn't downgrade their internal design, just had to design with many more constraints. I bet we'll see this with every new form factor. The new iMac form factor will integrate iSight HiFi and Blu-Ray simply and elegantly because the designers got to design the case around the components and the components around the case. When they have to cram technology X into the same form factor...it will get messy again.

Part of this is money and time. When they added the iSight the engineers were probably not given the time or budget to completely redesign the interior to accomodate it. They, therefore, were probably happy just to fit it in there in the first place.

Slightly dissapointing, and not bc I plan on opening mine up, but more becuse Apple's products have always been beautiful inside and out. But I care much more about how it runs.
 

Jawbreaker

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The revision to the iMac G5 w/iSight apparently brought significantly improved cooling at the expense of easy replacement. Those of us who had/have horribly loud Rev.A iMac G5s have probably been through the challenging midplane replacement, an option not available, but apparently not so widely necessary, on the Rev.C. Personally, better cooling and improved component life were good trade-offs for the clean, orderly and easily accessible interior. The main downside is that the hard drive is no longer easily replaceable.

In terms of an Apple tradition of nice interiors, or that they wouldn't possibly build a machine you'd have to tear the motherboard out of to upgrade or service: anyone remember the Quadra 800?
 

DOUGHNUT

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who the heck cares about what it looks like from the inside....
instead of doing that, someone figure out whether it's possible to boot up Windows on the iMac!

there are many MANY potential border line switchers waiting for the definitive answer as to whether they can load up Windows on the Mac so they can use the machine to run that one Windows exclusive program or play those games that arent available on the PowerPC Mac (Half-Life 2 hint hint). I think that is far more important than people opening up their new iMac Core Duos and stare obsessively at how the cable is arranged...True Microsoft will release VPC and many other company will attempt to publish emulation or virtualization software, but we don't know how long it will take before these softwares come out....maybe next year, which is way too long.
 

Stridder44

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AppleJustWorks said:
I think you and I are just about the only people on this forum to comprehend that fact. And I swear, it's stressing me out that as a result of the misguided wording of this article, the thousands of readers are soon to think that the Intel iMacs are less nicely designed than the G5 iMacs.

MacRumors - you're misleading people, and to me that's a misuse of power.


No, Im pretty sure you're right. I think theres more idiots saying stuff like "OOH WOW THAT INTEL MAC LOOKS HORRIBLE!! GEE WILLIKERS!" because they were the ones that didn't like the whole Intel-Mac transition thing in the first place. Either that or they STILL don't see the difference of front and back....

This is also funny because the guts of the Intel Mac which you think are so ugly would kick the crap out of the G4/G5...
 

Eidorian

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Jawbreaker said:
The revision to the iMac G5 w/iSight apparently brought significantly improved cooling at the expense of easy replacement. Those of us who had/have horribly loud Rev.A iMac G5s have probably been through the challenging midplane replacement, an option not available, but apparently not so widely necessary, on the Rev.C. Personally, better cooling and improved component life were good trade-offs for the clean, orderly and easily accessible interior. The main downside is that the hard drive is no longer easily replaceable.

In terms of an Apple tradition of nice interiors, or that they wouldn't possibly build a machine you'd have to tear the motherboard out of to upgrade or service: anyone remember the Quadra 800?
I agree, the new configuration allows for much quiter operation. I have a friend with a Rev. C iMac G5. I was encoding video with the CPU set to Highest performance. My Rev. B iMac would have fired up the fans but the Rev. C model never went over normal usage. I was surprised how quiet it was while encoding video.
 

kevslatt

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jawbreaker nailed this one;

same exact design as the rev. C iMac iSight G5s. the 1st 2 revs. were designed w/ user-installable repairs in mind, a plan apple later scapped as evident w/ the rev. C and now intel design. the newer revs do cool significantly better, which was the most important improvement to be made. Let the techs worry about working on the iMacs, etc. It does provide some issues should one want to upgrade their internal HD, similar to the iMac G4.
 
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