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disconap

macrumors 68000
Oct 29, 2005
1,810
3
Portland, OR
dblissmn said:
As far as hacking is concerned, I think basically it is a good thing if it gets more developers, or potential future developers, or simply potential future consumers with a love of computing, familiar with the Mac platform and supportive of it. The switch to a UNIX-based operating system that has come with jettisoning Classic and moving to OS X has brought a lot of new people in, and this is how platforms get reinvigorated. I certainly don't think it is a threat to Apple's hardware sales given the complexities involved and the fact that the hacking required is enough to deter ordinary consumers like me . . . I think it ultimately drives software sales and software development, using as an engine people who otherwise wouldn't be doing much for the Mac at all. And for those who regard it as piracy, remember that OSX86 isn't about illegally copying software, it is about getting legally purchased software to run on something that was, until now, shutting it out.

As a sort of amateur hacker, I love to play with and push anything I have (computers, console game stations, stereos, cars, etc.). If I had a **** ton more knowledge, I would probably be one of the people trying to hack the OS onto a PC (or hack Windows onto a Mac) just to do it. That's the fun for people who do that sort of stuff--accomplishing it, not the end result. Just look at all the people running Tiger on PowerPCs with third party upgrades and hacks--there's no benefit, and the cost comes close to picking up a newer machine (if not surpasses it--have you seen how cheap G4s are getting on ebay?).

As for the legality of it, yes the license is specifically for one machine, but I highly doubt they would go after someone who is a loyal customer. I've used the same install discs from various Mac products to update multiple machines; technically speaking, it is illegal, but I continually buy Macs, and I don't see them coming after me for it (and if they did, they would lose a customer who routinely spends money on their products, not wise). Now, if I had downloaded or stolen the OS from another user, I could see that being an issue, as not even owning an individual copy would be a little ****ed. And while they do sell mutliple license packages, I haven't heard of them ever suing a private user for doing multiple installs (though I could be wrong on that).

Along the lines of downloading it, I can see how they might get pissed about people hacking it onto PCs--not only do they not buy the Mac hardware in those cases, but they also don't buy the software, they download it. However, in the case we're talking about, the forum member already said he replaced his Dell with the hacked OS with a MBP. So while I would expect to see an increase in piracy of the OS (and running it on non-Mac machines), I also pretty much expect Mac hardware sales to increase, as more users use the OS and realize that the Mac hardware is optimized for the OS, insanely reliable (NOTE--no comment on Intel yet, their track record isn't perfect), and aesthetically far more pleasing (though, again, recent Macs haven't been as pretty as their recent G3 and G4 predecessors)...
 

jhu

macrumors 6502a
Apr 4, 2004
854
1
AJBMatrix said:
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These are all of the 10.4.1 Build that I did a while back when I first did it in like September. I did it a few times with the different builds.

that phrase "all rights reserved" is now obsolete since the usa became party to the berne convention. i wonder why everyone still uses it.
 

iMeowbot

macrumors G3
Aug 30, 2003
8,634
0
jhu said:
that phrase "all rights reserved" is now obsolete since the usa became party to the berne convention. i wonder why everyone still uses it.
It's still useful in the Americas to make sure that the old Buenos Aires Convention is there as a fallback, if any member countries aren't up to snuff with Bern.
 

theBB

macrumors 68020
Jan 3, 2006
2,453
3
RacerX said:
Your license to use the Mac OS comes from the hardware. Your Apple hardware came with a Mac OS originally, and any version of the Mac OS you buy is actually a strict upgrade to the license you were granted with the Apple hardware. Your Apple hardware is a license key for Mac OS X.
Aren't there legal research and education exceptions even if licence agreement does not explicitly state so. It seems to me that even DMCA lawyers had to relent on that front.
 

generik

macrumors 601
Aug 5, 2005
4,116
1
Minitrue
jhu said:
that phrase "all rights reserved" is now obsolete since the usa became party to the berne convention. i wonder why everyone still uses it.

Since Apple owned it doesn't it mean that "all rights" are "reserved" for it? :confused:
 

RacerX

macrumors 65832
Aug 2, 2004
1,504
4
theBB said:
Aren't there legal research and education exceptions even if licence agreement does not explicitly state so. It seems to me that even DMCA lawyers had to relent on that front.
Okay... when it comes to case law and legal precedent, I honestly have no idea.

I follow computer things... usually of a technical nature, but I wouldn't have the foggiest idea where to begin when looking at the legal ramifications of these types of issues.
 
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