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LIVEFRMNYC

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Oct 27, 2009
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Stuff like this is what pisses me off. Everyone trashes on Apple for "just making the screen larger," yet the evolution of the S2 to S3 is basically the same thing. Different case design, slightly faster, larger screen, yet everyone touts it as the best thing in the world.

The double standard is ridiculous because Android makers are more guilty of this than Apple (look at HTC, 1x -> 1x+). S1 -> S2 -> S3 are all small evolutions, just like the various iPhone releases.

(and no i'm no Apple hater. I've owned so many Android phones over the last couple years.) This "Apple isn't innovative, but Sammy is" argument is ****.

That's cause Apple didn't change the UI, hardware or OS wise. Samsung and Android did. iOS does need a UI revamp or Apple will continue to lose customers, same with the hardware. Something as simply as changing the home button can make a huge difference. People don't want to feel as if they are buying the same exact car with just a little bit more hp and interior room. Only reason people dealt with Apple's lack of change is because the iPhone was in a class by itsself for so long. That's not the case anymore.
 

Timzer

macrumors 6502
Nov 10, 2011
334
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The iPhone 5 is not merely a bigger screen and a new connector. Even with just those two new things, it's a BETTER screen than the previous (which was already the BEST) and a FASTER connector.

iPhone 5's display is even better than before. The processor is second to none and beats the hell out of Samsung's Exynos. Camera is better. Speakers are better. More microphones, better microphones. Thinner design, better build quality, better materials. Let's not forget about software. Samsung put their POS UI layer on Android. And a bunch of half baked features that don't really do anything apart from being a spec sheet filler. Not to mention they hardly ever work.

If one were to prefer Android, I'd recommend something from HTC or the Nexus line. Even Motorola. All Samsung does is bash the iPhone. But the funny part is that they are currently under the iPhone's foot. Their ads are hilarious. It's a sight to see that a company is bragging so much about some crap they found in some random gutter in a 5th world country. I almost feel sorry for them. Ignorance is bliss.

Not sure why I am still shocked that people can be this ignorant.
Here you go. Please join this thread.
 
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BHP41

macrumors 6502a
Jul 21, 2010
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United States of America
Not sure why I am still shocked that people can be this ignorant.
Here you go. Please join this thread.

Android vs iOS is a personal choice and if sales numbers are any indicator(they are) the iOS is doing just fine. Phones such as the S3 and Note offer the consumer a choice and that's good for all of us. They are fantastic phones but not for everyone, same as the iPhone but 90% of tech reviewers agree with his quote about screen,camera, build and so on. Androids dominance in market share has to be looked at with the realization that a lot of them are given away or are BOGO deals. That has a huge impact on what actually sells. Comparing iPhone vs S3 it isn't even close. The market still chooses the iPhone and its "stale" OS over the competition. What Samsung has done is taken the fight to advertising. No one has done that and compared themselves to the iPhone. That's where they are winning customers from. The cool factor, not that one is any better than the other, it's a mindset the same way that 2 years ago if you didn't have an iPhone you weren't considered cool.
 

dojoman

macrumors 68000
Apr 8, 2010
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I bought my mom an iPhone 5 yesterday. I got it at Best Buy. So I'm checking out, adding a car lightning charger and a case. Cashier remarked about how it was about time such a charger was available, with which I agreed if it hadn't been for a while. He mentioned he loved his GS3 and said the iPhone 5 was just the 4S with a larger screen and a new connector. He also said if he won an iPhone, he would probably just sell it.

I'm guessing he was in a joking way saying I should've gotten a GS3, and I guess part of it was a comment about having to buy new cables. It was just banter between two geeks, harmless and all.

Then I get home and I think about it. If I own an older iPhone and the new lightning cable is such an issue for the iPhone 5, how exactly will it help me to buy a GS3? That would mean needing new cables plus having a stockpile of worthless apps.

Again, no malice or anything. It just struck me as something not thought out well. I mean you know how we always think things out well around here. :)

Best Buy makes more money by selling Galaxy S3 than iPhone. That's why they're pushing it.
 

SnowLeopard2008

macrumors 604
Jul 4, 2008
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Silicon Valley
Not sure why I am still shocked that people can be this ignorant.
Here you go. Please join this thread.

Yes, I'm an overly devoted Apple customer when I praise HTC, Motorola and Nexus devices. That totally makes sense. It's a wonder why homo sapiens has an organ called the brain when people like you don't use it or seem to lack it. The world doesn't consist of just Samsung and Apple. Ever heard of LG? Motorola? HTC? ZTE? Huawei? Lenovo?
 

SnowLeopard2008

macrumors 604
Jul 4, 2008
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Silicon Valley
Android vs iOS is a personal choice and if sales numbers are any indicator(they are) the iOS is doing just fine. Phones such as the S3 and Note offer the consumer a choice and that's good for all of us. They are fantastic phones but not for everyone, same as the iPhone but 90% of tech reviewers agree with his quote about screen,camera, build and so on. Androids dominance in market share has to be looked at with the realization that a lot of them are given away or are BOGO deals. That has a huge impact on what actually sells. Comparing iPhone vs S3 it isn't even close. The market still chooses the iPhone and its "stale" OS over the competition. What Samsung has done is taken the fight to advertising. No one has done that and compared themselves to the iPhone. That's where they are winning customers from. The cool factor, not that one is any better than the other, it's a mindset the same way that 2 years ago if you didn't have an iPhone you weren't considered cool.

Samsung is pretty ignorant in this regard. They think by bashing Apple, it automatically and magically makes their devices better. It just shows that they have absolutely zero confidence in their own products. Apple's commercials never directly bashed a competitor. Maybe the Mac vs PC ads but those were very light humored and very indirect. Apple's commercials showcase their own product. That's because they believe in the superiority of their own product. And it shows when they sell record numbers of their own product.
 

N0ddie

macrumors 6502
Oct 23, 2011
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Glasgow
Samsung is pretty ignorant in this regard. They think by bashing Apple, it automatically and magically makes their devices better. It just shows that they have absolutely zero confidence in their own products. Apple's commercials never directly bashed a competitor. Maybe the Mac vs PC ads but those were very light humored and very indirect. Apple's commercials showcase their own product. That's because they believe in the superiority of their own product. And it shows when they sell record numbers of their own product.

Showcase? Really?

Do not disturb and one hand operation are showcase features?

Anyhoo! Sold my iPhone 5 a couple of weeks ago (Really gave it to) to my nephew and replaced it with a GS3. Definitely not missing the iPhone and loving my GS3 experience so far. Battery life has now also massively improved.
 

SnowLeopard2008

macrumors 604
Jul 4, 2008
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Silicon Valley
Showcase? Really?

Do not disturb and one hand operation are showcase features?

Anyhoo! Sold my iPhone 5 a couple of weeks ago (Really gave it to) to my nephew and replaced it with a GS3. Definitely not missing the iPhone and loving my GS3 experience so far. Battery life has now also massively improved.

One hand? If Samsung included some radioactive growth serum, maybe. Most people can't use it one handed. Unless of course, it's to simple hold it and not do anything. You have big hands, congratulations. Even the S2 was hard to hold and the screen was a bit smaller.

Most of the features didn't even work. I tried the smart dimming feature. And image tagging. I forgot what random names Samsung assigned to these. None of them worked reliably. I could have written the code for these half baked features. I actually did and it took all but 10 minutes. But to make it work reliably, it takes much much longer. I'd rather have stock Android, the removal of these "features" or removal of the horrid UI layer (technically it's deeper than just the UI). Any of these would make their GS3 a much much better phone.
 

N0ddie

macrumors 6502
Oct 23, 2011
416
98
Glasgow
One hand? If Samsung included some radioactive growth serum, maybe. Most people can't use it one handed. Unless of course, it's to simple hold it and not do anything. You have big hands, congratulations. Even the S2 was hard to hold and the screen was a bit smaller.

Where did I mention one handed use on the GS3? That's right. I didn't.

Read what I wrote before launching an attack ;)

And did I mention features? No to that as well.
 

SnowLeopard2008

macrumors 604
Jul 4, 2008
6,772
18
Silicon Valley
Where did I mention one handed use on the GS3? That's right. I didn't.

Read what I wrote before launching an attack ;)

And did I mention features? No to that as well.

Same goes to you. Where did I mention GS3 as having the one hand feature? Seriously, if you want to one up me at least try. This is like taking free candy. Easy.
 

N0ddie

macrumors 6502
Oct 23, 2011
416
98
Glasgow
You mentioned half assed features and your obvious hatred towards anything non apple would drive one to the conclusion that this was directed toward the GS3.

Simples really.
 

SnowLeopard2008

macrumors 604
Jul 4, 2008
6,772
18
Silicon Valley
You mentioned half assed features and your obvious hatred towards anything non apple would drive one to the conclusion that this was directed toward the GS3.

Simples really.

Yet, if you people bother to read, I said if one were to prefer Android, HTC, Motorola and the Nexus line are excellent choices. Yup, I'm totally against anything non-Apple by recommending HTC, Motorola and Nexus.

You even quoted my post which clearly had the sentence where I recommended HTC, Motorola and Nexus phones and then you claimed I'm against anything non-Apple. It's as if you enjoy being wrong and ignorant. If that is the case, then go right on ahead. I have zero problem with people being ignorant and wrong. It's when these same people start directly interfering with my life that I start having a problem with it. It's your right to do whatever the heck you want.
 

SnowLeopard2008

macrumors 604
Jul 4, 2008
6,772
18
Silicon Valley
Nothing I quoted you mentions any phone but the S2.

I quoted you before you edited yer post.

I didn't edit any of my posts. Actually, timzer quoted the post I am referring to. My mistake. But the point still remains that he and you both continued to claim that I hate anything non-Apple when it was quite obvious that was not true. More shame on you because your posts came AFTER his did. You can clearly see that he edited his post. And you can look at any of mine, I have not changed anything.
 

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Irishman

macrumors 68040
Nov 2, 2006
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That's cause Apple didn't change the UI, hardware or OS wise. Samsung and Android did. iOS does need a UI revamp or Apple will continue to lose customers, same with the hardware. Something as simply as changing the home button can make a huge difference. People don't want to feel as if they are buying the same exact car with just a little bit more hp and interior room. Only reason people dealt with Apple's lack of change is because the iPhone was in a class by itsself for so long. That's not the case anymore.

That's not the customers Apple is trying to get to buy their phones.

Apple will not compromise their vision of what the iPhone is to capture a fickle segment who just want something nebulously "different".

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Don't put much stock into what Best Buy clowns tell you. I once I had these fools (2 salesmen and 1 cashier) tell that their PS3s died within a couple of days and I should buy the warranty. Years later nothing happened.

Wow! You were right!
 

Irishman

macrumors 68040
Nov 2, 2006
3,449
859
I'm pretty sure the cashier at BB isn't making commission. He was just being smug because he thinks his phone is better than other phones. The people at my local BB are awful. I can never get in and out of there without one of them doing this same thing. They always want to comment on what I'm buying. I know what I am about to pay for, I don't need you to remind me.

You're not good around people, are you??
 

Stuntman06

macrumors 6502a
Sep 19, 2011
961
5
Metro Vancouver, B.C, Canada
If one were to prefer Android, I'd recommend something from HTC or the Nexus line. Even Motorola. All Samsung does is bash the iPhone. But the funny part is that they are currently under the iPhone's foot. Their ads are hilarious. It's a sight to see that a company is bragging so much about some crap they found in some random gutter in a 5th world country. I almost feel sorry for them. Ignorance is bliss.

When I switched from an HTC Desire Z to an SGS3, I was actually very impressed. Was going to get the HTC One S, but with only 16GB of storage, it was a deal breaker for me. I did miss some features of HTC Sense, but overall, the SGS3 more than makes up for the few things that I missed. I have no problem recommending a Samsung phone.

Some of the anti-Apple ads from Samsung I don't like such as the one calling iPhone users sheep. I felt that was out of line. If you want people to buy your products, I don't think that calling your potential customers names is a good idea.

The ads that highlight features that the iPhone doesn't have aren't bad. The one that makes me laugh was the one where the guys with the SGS3 was saving a spot in the iPhone line-up for his parents.

In any case, the SGS3 has been selling very well. Partly the success is due to its marketing and at least getting the word out. I think the big reason for its success is that first of all, it is a very good device. Also, they made it available on multiple carriers. As a former HTC user, I would consider the One X first, but it wasn't available on my carrier.

This is why every time I go to Best Buy and they converge by the dozen to ask me "Can I help you find anything?" I always reply "Yeah, a few more cashiers up front... there's never enough when I'm ready to leave, and always far too many of YOU."

Up here in Canada, I don't have any issues with Best Buy. They always leave me alone to browse and only talk to me if I ask. I like that. Also, I tend to find that the sales staff are quite knowledgeable in the products that I am interested in.

In contrast, there is another store called Future Shop here (which Best Buy ended up buying). In Future Shop, I get swarmed by sales staff as they are on commission (unlike BB up here) and they seem to not really know anything useful.
 

0dev

macrumors 68040
Dec 22, 2009
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127.0.0.1
Then I get home and I think about it. If I own an older iPhone and the new lightning cable is such an issue for the iPhone 5, how exactly will it help me to buy a GS3?

To actually answer OP's question in this wildly off topic thread... the GS3 uses a micro USB port, which is the same port used by all Android phones and tablets as well as all BlackBerries and Nokias made in the past few years. When it comes to ports the guy has a valid point IMO. The micro USB port is a universal standard, every smartphone uses it... except for Apple's, who know they can get away with charging $50 for a special cable.

If you switch from one Android phone to another, you will have the same port. If you switch to another Android phone from a whole other manufacturer, you will have the same port. If you switch from Android to Windows Phone, you will have the same port. If you go to a friend's house with a low battery and they have that standard micro USB cable lying about, you can charge your phone.
 

Tinmania

macrumors 68040
Aug 8, 2011
3,528
1,016
Aridzona
To actually answer OP's question in this wildly off topic thread... the GS3 uses a micro USB port, which is the same port used by all Android phones and tablets as well as all BlackBerries and Nokias made in the past few years. When it comes to ports the guy has a valid point IMO. The micro USB port is a universal standard, every smartphone uses it... except for Apple's, who know they can get away with charging $50 for a special cable.

If you switch from one Android phone to another, you will have the same port. If you switch to another Android phone from a whole other manufacturer, you will have the same port. If you switch from Android to Windows Phone, you will have the same port. If you go to a friend's house with a low battery and they have that standard micro USB cable lying about, you can charge your phone.
Let's not forget bluetooth headset chargers. they might not put out as much juice but it's better than nothing, in a pinch. and most everyone has a Bluetooth headset charger.
 

ArchAndroid

macrumors regular
Aug 26, 2012
100
4
London, England
I'm guessing he was in a joking way saying I should've gotten a GS3, and I guess part of it was a comment about having to buy new cables. It was just banter between two geeks, harmless and all.

Then I get home and I think about it. If I own an older iPhone and the new lightning cable is such an issue for the iPhone 5, how exactly will it help me to buy a GS3? That would mean needing new cables plus having a stockpile of worthless apps.

Again, no malice or anything. It just struck me as something not thought out well. I mean you know how we always think things out well around here. :)

I think the point he was trying to make is that microUSB cables have become so commoditised and ubiquitous that they rarely cost more than a dollar/pound.

For me, in the UK, I bought 5 micro-USB cables (one for each bedroom + two for the living room) for £4.50. As well as this, I have a micro-USB (male) to USB (female) for £2 which allows me to plug my USB3 stick into my phone.

The cost of five Lightning cables would be £75; 1667% that of the micro-USB cables. Furthermore, there is no equivalent USB female equivalent wire for the iPhone. When I recorded my niece's Christmas play, I was able to transfer the 6.5GB of high-quality from my phone to USB in about 12 minutes. On an iPhone, I would have to have used Bluetooth which would be exponentially longer.

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Apple's commercials never directly bashed a competitor. Maybe the Mac vs PC ads but those were very light humored and very indirect. Apple's commercials showcase their own product.

This is not even remotely true.

Mac vs PC PC was the dominant platform. Apple mocked PC users as being antediluvian and positioned itself as the superior alternative.

Samsung vs iPhone iPhone was the dominant platform. Samsung mocked iPhone users as being antediluvian and positioned itself as the superior alternative.

The only difference is first it was Apple who was flinging the mud whereas now it is their name being sullied.

In fact, the Mac vs. PC commercials consisted of 27 seconds of talking about each platforms idiosyncrasies followed by an 3 second overlay of an iProduct. At least Samsung actually shows what their device is capable of in their commercials.
 

blackhand1001

macrumors 68030
Jan 6, 2009
2,600
37
The iPhone 5 is not merely a bigger screen and a new connector. Even with just those two new things, it's a BETTER screen than the previous (which was already the BEST) and a FASTER connector.

iPhone 5's display is even better than before. The processor is second to none and beats the hell out of Samsung's Exynos. Camera is better. Speakers are better. More microphones, better microphones. Thinner design, better build quality, better materials. Let's not forget about software. Samsung put their POS UI layer on Android. And a bunch of half baked features that don't really do anything apart from being a spec sheet filler. Not to mention they hardly ever work.

If one were to prefer Android, I'd recommend something from HTC or the Nexus line. Even Motorola. All Samsung does is bash the iPhone. But the funny part is that they are currently under the iPhone's foot. Their ads are hilarious. It's a sight to see that a company is bragging so much about some crap they found in some random gutter in a 5th world country. I almost feel sorry for them. Ignorance is bliss.


Cut the crap, the iPhone 4s display was not the best before the iPhone 5. The htx one x had an indisputably better display. And currently the droid DNA has the best display on a phone.

Samsungs latest touchwiz unlike previous version is actually extremely nice and every one of the features they added not only is very usefull, they are well polished and bug free. I hated touchwiz before but it has matured extremely well.
 
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