Who knows if this is a storm in a teacup ….. some more exchanges related.
Youtube defender continues:
"It seems you're willing to look past anything to defend MrMBB333...
"Because lately Youtube has been closing a spate of websites shadow government obviously doesn't like for some odd reason." - Yes, everything is a conspiracy... kinda like when YouTube accidentally terminated Keemstar because Keemstar... as we all know... is spreading too much truth that the shadow government doesn't like. Oh and let's just ignore that Crow777 is now reinstated... because that wouldn't exactly go with our theory now would it? lol
"Where do you get the impression MrMbb333 wants to get censored and terminated?" - Because only someone who wants that... would blame YouTube for a Copyright Complaint filed by a 3rd party... who MUST proceed with the takedown if the information they provide seem to be correct... in order to protect the site from being sued.
"It looks like MrMBB333 is more careful than most when it comes to copywrite" - Of course you would say that since you're probably a fan... but if you actually knew what Copyright was and what is and isn't acceptable... you would know that uploading ANY 3rd party content is a risk he is taking. So no... he's not "more careful than most" just because he might say so or because you deem him in a higher regard.
"he is an experienced user, 45million+ views" - Copyright Infringement doesn't care how many views you have or how experienced you are at YouTube lol... completely irrelevant.
"many many videos with NO COMPLAINTS" - Once again, if you knew anything about Copyright, you would know that just because many copyright holders either haven't found existing copyright violations on his channel... or have simply chosen not to file a complaint... does not mean that no Copyright Violation took place. It only takes 1 single video containing a Copyright Violation to receive 1 strike, regardless of how many videos are on the channel.
"if this complaint has been handle manually, then the person processing this must judge if this third party claim is genuine" - YouTube will only prevent a Copyright Complaint from going ahead if they believe the information provided is fraudulent... or if they believe the video STRONGLY abides by Fair Use... which is extremely rare... nor are they required to do so... and yes, the complaint was filed manually.... as all DMCA complaints are.
"especially if suddenly 3 pop up within a few days and the Channel is automatically shut down…. go figure how suspicious that looks" - That is not "suspicious"... there are thousands of channels uploading copyrighted content everyday... therefore many Copyright Holders have to file 3 Copyright Complaints on a single channel if there are 3 or more videos with their content in them... in no way is it "suspicious" just because 3 strikes happens to cause termination.
"if shadow government creates websites with subject matter that might be interesting to people whose channels they want to shut down ….. they wait around for the day when you've linked to them for the third time (even if it's third party linking)…. then wack in the first Copyright Strike offence, followed by two more a day or so later from different sites to cloud the source ….. Bingo! Channel shut down." - I don't really care about cute little made-up theories you've convinced yourself are real... I'd rather talk about facts and things based on evidence... it's called a "Counter Notification", it is absolutely unbeatable if you're in the right and you actually file one... people who know they aren't in the right make videos and make loud noises about YouTube Censorship in the hope that people are ignorant about the Counter Notification form or how the legal process works.
"What makes Youtube the villains of this piece is they are either complicit in these Channel pull-downs" - Once again, you are ignorant regarding this... YouTube must abide by the legal process of the DMCA... if they do not they leave themselves open to being sued for the actions of their users.
"and rigged the rules accordingly ….or so naive to this scam the guy manually processing this needs to go back to spy school for beginners!" - It's called Copyright Law... you're going off now on things not based on fact... yes... YouTube rigged Copyright Law so that the rogue agents of the shadow government can secretly get employed at YouTube and pass Copyright Complaints which are wrong in order to give channels the shadow government doesn't like 3 strikes and therefore a termination... man, it'd be so much easier to spout something like that instead of filing a Counter Notification and go through the legal process for something I claim to be in the right about, lol.
"I agree with what you say about appealing ….. but that won't do any good if Youtube don't spot a bad smell like this when it pops up." - A Counter Notification doesn't go to YouTube... it goes to the claimant who filed the complaint... who then have 14 days to sue or else the video gets automatically put back up and the strike lifted.... see what I mean about unbeatable if you're in the right?
"Prove your innocence Youtube …. you are really on trial here, and if you don't side with the people, then you are an enemy of the people and word of mouth will finish you. Wait and see!" - Spare the emotional speech like YouTube is reading lol... ironic how a legitimate copyright complaint filed by a 3rd party against someone who refuses to file a counter notification becomes.... "youtube is on trial"... see what I mean about desperately wanting YouTube to be your enemy regardless of who the situation is actually over? lol, whoever is the shadow agent at YouTube.... they need to be fired immediately, they're doing a ****ing abysmal job of eliminating conspiracy channels... yet the conspiracy channels make videos like it's the apocalypse when they get a taste of what everyone else on the platform has to deal with lol."
REPLY
Firstly, good news about Crrow777's reinstatement ….. a relief to many who are fighting censorship on the Internet …..not CT but CFact when people/politicians/media lose elections then talk about censoring the Internet (a debate for another time/place).The worry here is laws to censor extreme speech/video can be used in a wider capacity to censor other things government doesn't want us to see/hear. It is a constant battle the EFF are fighting to protect our Internet Freedom and Free Speech which Governments and shadow governments(who we finance to represent our interests) don't seem to believe in, by their actions.
NASA has been exposed many times censoring data from the ISS and Helioviewer which has created the need for Channels(Crrow/MrMB) dealing with interesting/weird observations of our System.
When NASA behaves like shadow government to hide evidence of UFO's etc, then gives $1.1million to religious groups gaugeing impact of ET disclosure, then we have a conflict of interest issue and truth and trust in NASA goes out the window. With so many media/information outlets on the Internet being owned/run/financed by people from one particular religious organisation …. and censorship becomes an issue …. a very unhealthy situation takes on serious alarmist overtones. We are still dealing CFact here.
Secondly, I understand many of the points you are making and agree with some and hope the successful appeal process with Crrow777 isn't a one-off due to public pressure. There shouldn't be an ongoing battle with authority or Youtube by the people ….. if TPTB did the right thing, were open and honest with their tax paymasters, we wouldn't have to sift all the BS!….. on both sides.
Strange you seem to catagorise Crrow777 and MrMBB333 Channels alongside the more extreme side of CT when there is much fact in their content.
No, we don't want Youtube to be our enemy at all, we all like the channel and want it to work for us, ….. and protect our interests. Copyright is a genuine problem, Youtube needs to 'evolve' it's way of tackling it.
MrMBB333 in the video clearly doesn't want his channel pulled so why say otherwise?Your reasoning doesn't make sense.
He admits fault, holds up his hands, sounds genuinely puzzled by the complaint. What I think confuses old school Internet users is that posting links to other content used to be regarded as promoting that content to a wider audience with a nod of respect, not Copyright Infringement. Directing traffic and attention their way+revenue if the site is monetised or carries ads was doing the guy a favour …. or so MrMB probably thought. Which gives this complaint a very bad odour and thus a CT angle. Lawyers and big business who have arrived late to the Internet party and are trying to take over, monetise and censor the Internet to their own ends don't understand that ethos and wrap their sue opportunity litigation into the small print of User Terms+Conditions. They will happily turn a nod of respect into a leverage opportunity for money - the nature of the beast. These people can be deceptive and betray the ethos of Internet Freedom and should be banned from the Internet. You heard it here loud and clear, time to create a two-tiered Internet, one for commerce, government snoopers, devious lawyers etc ….. and the other for old school Internet freedom fighters and knowledge ….. switch on your computer, log into which Internet you want to dive into, but KEEP THEM SEPERATE and give Users bandwidth filter control to their servers - to stop commerce hogging it all.
Just to clarify, I don't blindly defend anyone, barely know MrM and only know a small fraction of his content ….. my comments are on the content of the video …. my viewpoint is admittedly limited on the legal, that seems to be your strength, but the wider picture needs stating(as above).
With regards - "if shadow government wack in the first Copyright Strike offence, followed by two more a day or so later from different sites to cloud the source ….. Bingo! Channel shut down." - I don't really care about cute little made-up theories you've convinced yourself are real... I'd rather talk about facts and things based on evidence."
When several Copyright claims suddenly pop out of nowhere all of a sudden, leave a smell, close a Channel …. it's not a 'cute theory' it's a clear logical possibility. If someone of my limitations(as you've highlighted) can think of it …. it's a dead cert shadow gov have …. their lawyer(s!) toothcomb T+C for loopholes to get what they want - site closure.
With regards your hint Youtube won't be reading people's concerns over this censorship …. to be honest, from the way you were defending Youtube and your knowledge of it's appeal process and legal stance, I thought you maybe worked for them and could pass this view point on? …. probably wrong on this but do believe that if you drop a pebble in a still lake and ripples spread …. who knows what happens. This debate is already a thread on MacRumours Forum 'Current Events' which reaches a wide Apple audience …. and which people use Apple? …. believe me, I think someone in Youtube will notice!
Even if it's only the cleaner, I'll be happy …. because one day he/she might just fail to unblock the executive toilet, and they'll get a real taste of the same smell we are getting as Users and Subscribers..
