You have got to be kidding me. This guy thinks that the moon is a hologram! He’s not an “astronomer,” he’s a delusional idiot, as is anyone who thinks he may be right. We have decades of observable scientific data to disprove this nonsense.
You are correct that I know nothing of his channel other than the minute or two of the supposedly “censored” video at issue in your original post. That was all I needed to know. He’s a lunatic, akin to conspiracy nuts who thinks the Apollo landings were staged.
I also have to say that your comment that I must have no interest in astronomy because I’ve never posted about it before on an Apple Internet forum is similarly idiotic. I’d be happy to put my life-long interests and knowledge of astronomy up against these conspiracy idiots any time. It’s an insult to the science of astronomy that you are even equating this nonsense with science.
Let's clarify a few points …. firstly this thread is about Internet censorship and an amateur 'astronomer' who takes pictures of the moon having his channel taken down.
In the OP I wrote this:
"I have seen Secure Team content before and, as with the 'hologram' idea, don't hold to this or some theories expressed in other videos ..... this OP is less about the theories, more about the censorship.... you want to discuss those other videos and their theories .... please do it elsewhere."
Your post is losely worded and inaccurate:
It quotes me (Dubdrifter), then says
"This guy thinks that the moon is a hologram! He’s not an “astronomer,” he’s a delusional idiot, as is anyone who thinks he may be right. We have decades of observable scientific data to disprove this nonsense."
[Who said this 'commentator' spouting 'theories' on the Secure Team is an astronomer? Certainly not me.]
Although you later make it clear you are talking about the Secure Team video maker …. stating he is a "delusional idiot" and a "lunatic" ….. you then go on to say …..
"I also have to say that your comment that I must have no interest in astronomy because I’ve never posted about it before on an Apple Internet forum is similarly idiotic".
Mmmm … don't worry, I'm not litigious, just an easy-going guy trying to have a friendly discussion on the subject of the OP.
To clarify, I wrote:
"Looking at your post history on here, it doesn't seem as though you have much interest in astronomy."
'No interest'+'much interest' have different meanings.
I do have to add that I find it funny that you were scouring my account for evidence of my interest in astronomy and didn’t notice my avatar, a picture I took of the August solar eclipse.
Hmmm ….. no, sorry …. you're right ….. I didn't notice your Avatar …. I was looking for your contribution to the many astronomy discussion threads on MacRum Forum ….. I didn't realise your Avatar represented your expertise and what you had to say on astronomy. Apologies!
When I wrote:
"Makes me wonder if you really know much about the content of these channels to make a statement like this against people who are just observing weird anomolies around our Solar System and on our planet and having debates as to what might be happening."
You replied:
"You are correct that I know nothing of his channel other than the minute or two of the supposedly “censored” video at issue in your original post.That was all I needed to know. He’s a lunatic, akin to conspiracy nuts who thinks the Apollo landings were staged."
So you are 'ranting' about a person who no one has claimed is an 'amateur astronomer' and a channel whose content is not the
main focus of the discussion here?
Trying to speak authoritatively on a subject you haven't researched, is that wise? ….Mea Culpa, we all do it!
This is about Crrow777 and MrMBB333's censorship problem. Read the OP again, this is not about Secure Team's wackiest theories!
I am not an astronomer, you might be, but this isn't about qualifications …. it's about the discussion on what is on this thread … not elsewhere, unless
directly related.
Which is why the following is just a distraction, probably aimed to just destroy a valid debate on censorship.
Wondering whether to waste your time on this thread? Look at this thread first:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...s-on-this-weird-helioviewer-org-clip.1912873/
I spent considerable time gathering links for the OP, which (so far as I know) he ignored completely. It's clear to me that he has approximately zero interest in astronomy as a science.
Over the last year, I've been spending considerable time with three professional astronomers, two of whom are staff at observatories on Mauna Kea; the third is the director of one of the observatories. I'll be at the summit on Friday, but somehow I just don't think I'll be passing the OP's questions along to them. Nope.
[Happy to discuss this with you,Monokakata, on another thread, …. please try and stick to subject of OP ….. I discuss many subjects on forums, science/astronomy included ….. if you reference all that here we will never progress. My posts are already too long. It's been mentioned.
I will quickly answer your points even though your post seems to be just designed to damage the flow of this discussion, which strangely also happened on the thread you 'link' to ….. an attempted 'serious' discussion on a Helioviewer observation ruined and shut down by a group of what could be termed Macrumour 'religious fundamentalist' posting stupid comments because they couldn't entertain 'theories' there might be higher intelligences operating around our sun.
In answer to your assumptions ….. I
was appreciative of the links you gave to discuss the subject directly with the observatory scientists you mentioned, but weighing up one astronomer's explanation - the 10 minute interval observed in the Helioviewer activity was probably due to old software capacity and data streaming limitations of the telescopes -
I accepted this as a good explanation of what was being observed and decided not to pursue it further. I now feel maybe this explanation may not be the full picture and may reopen the debate.
My repeated attempts on this Helio thread to try to keep this discussion 'serious' and 'scientific' was respected by some, so where do you get the assumption I have "zero interest in astronomy as a science"?Clearly is wide of the mark and puzzling.
As a scientist who has specialised in a different field, why shouldn't 'amateur' outsiders raise debates in astronomy and discuss what is going on without being ridiculed?]
Sorry about that distraction …..
Which brings us back to this discussion …… amateur astronomers trying to discuss subjects so called 'professionals' won't discuss ….. be that 'waves' 'thermal layering' (my favourite) etc.
Maybe 'real' astronomers should get a bit more 'down and dirty' and discuss these 'interesting' observations
openly on TV and on the media the public are browsing - with the scientific evidence they have to make the point. With their credentials/qualifications clearly on view to the public, along with that evidence, this will raise the level of these debates ….. this happens more in the Russian media, than over here. Top scientists happily go on telly and discuss UFO's, prominences etc.
….. OK, I understand some astronomers are worried about their 'reputations, prefer communicating only through the overly pretentious prose of scientific papers. For some, doctorates/Nobel prizes and precious grants are only on their radar and some are scared to express an opinion when NASA censorship is mentioned and government/shadow government might intervene.
More open discussion is important if it helps partially dispel the more stupid theories early on, at the source, by good evidence, and by talking in a language EVERYBODY can understand ….. if it works towards 'fake news and fake science' being shown the door, through open debate this can only be a good thing, surely?
In conclusion, Crrow777's case is turning out to be either copyright infringement or shadow government concern military satellites or 'other secret projects' could be compromised.
Copyright is the concensus as his Channel is back up and running ….. [or maybe shadow government had second thoughts about pursuing this line of 'attack' ….. after reading this thread! ……
Just kidding, guys …. but small pebbles in ponds? ….. we will never know!]
MrMBB333's issue seems to be also copyright - hopefully easily resolved.
So in hindsight, a storm in a teacup?, probably yes ….. but some good points have been made about current concerns over Internet censorship /YT copyright policy/shadow government tactics ….. which has wider implications …. so the thread/debate has been worth the 'ride', eh?
ZZZzzzzzzz.
F*ck ….did you fall asleep again ?…… attention span is definitely shortening on MacRumours ….. too many Twitterati on here!
[doublepost=1512568954][/doublepost]FOOTNOTE:
This thread is priceless!
Even funnier is that he came to a computer forum to talk about "astronomy".
This thread should be trashed.
Make up your mind , Daflake! …… getting worried your 'opinion' is a reflection of your Avatar name?
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