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ghsDUDE

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Is there a way to sync messages across devices without storing the messages in iCloud?

My phone has 256GB if storage and my iCloud on has 5gb of storage...I would love for everything to sync between my devices without having to store everything in the cloud.

Does anyone know if this is possible?
 

Dwalls90

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Is there a way to sync messages across devices without storing the messages in iCloud?

My phone has 256GB if storage and my iCloud on has 5gb of storage...I would love for everything to sync between my devices without having to store everything in the cloud.

Does anyone know if this is possible?

Doesn't appear so, and that kind of makes sense. In order for their to be "one master" set of data, it has to live not on a single device, but rather the cloud.

If you paid 1,149 for a device, you can pay 12 for an extra 45Gb :)
 

soldierblue

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Maybe I’m missing something but I feel like this feature is totally half-baked.

I hadn’t been following it in beta releases, but I was definitely envisioning something more real time. So far I’m under the impression that you need to be on WiFi and charging in order for it to sync... am I off base here?
 
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chabig

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So far I’m under the impression that you need to be on WiFi and charging in order for it to sync... am I off base here?
Yes you are. Syncing happens “immediately” assuming the device has an internet connection. See for yourself, with the iPad and iPhone next to each other, make a change on one and see it reflected on the other.
 

Dwalls90

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Maybe I’m missing something but I feel like this feature is totally half-baked.

I hadn’t been following it in beta releases, but I was definitely envisioning something more real time. So far I’m under the impression that you need to be on WiFi and charging in order for it to sync... am I off base here?

Yes you are. Syncing happens “immediately” assuming the device has an internet connection. See for yourself, with the iPad and iPhone next to each other, make a change on one and see it reflected on the other.

I *think* (and this is without there being any concrete support document from Apple) that the initial syncing may require wifi and battery, or some combination of these factors, due to the power and data required to push up and combine all data from a single device. Once a device is "synced" to the cloud, I would assume real time updates (e.g. a new message being sent or deleted) take place as the data and power required for that would be immaterial.
 

Wxchaser

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Syncing/Deleting not working even though everything is toggled on. Restarted iPx to no avail, checked IPP 10.5 also no joy.

Oh well.
 

Tanax

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How would sending sms from iPad and Mac then work though? It sends it via the iPhone as it's the only device with a mobile network connection. That's what I was getting at with having to keep SMS forwarding turned on.

After reading the description of Text Message Forwarding it appears that it enables both receiving and sending SMS/MMS on other devices.

After enabling the Messages in iCloud I guess you only need to enable Text Message Forwarding if you want to be able to send SMS/MMS from example your iPad or Mac.

This is because both the Mac and iPad will receive the SMS/MMS sent to your iPhone via the iCloud syncing (Messages in iCloud) regardless if you enable Text Message Forwarding or not.

Makes sense?

I don’t think SMSes are synced via iCloud. It is “iMessage in the cloud” so text forward is still needed for SMS to appear on other devices

So I never beta trialled iOS 11.x

So today was he first time I activate messages in iCloud.

It shows in iCloud storage, 1.05gb used and conversations 0kb

So based on everyone else it seems it normal.

As someone said though u need to backup iOS to the cloud and then it fills up the conversation storage.

I don’t back up to the cloud so I don’t know

SMS and MMS are synced. This is the most common error people make. It's called "Messages in iCloud" (as in ALL messages and even attachments as well), not "iMessage in the cloud". You have the "i" in front of the wrong word :)

So no, Text Message Forward is not required for SMS to appear on other devices. It is however required if you wish to reply to those SMS on those other devices.
 

Tanax

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I can also add that after enabling this on both my iPhone and iPad, my iCloud backup size went down almost 400MB on each device (total of around 800MB) while the iCloud storage only went up around 500MB, saving me 300MB of iCloud storage!
 
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iOZZY

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I thought that iCloud Backup had to be enabled for messages in iCloud to work yet on two iCloud accounts that I've updated devices to iOS 11.4 tonight, syncing is working perfectly with iCloud backup turned off.
 

AbSoluTc

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I thought that iCloud Backup had to be enabled for messages in iCloud to work yet on two iCloud accounts that I've updated devices to iOS 11.4 tonight, syncing is working perfectly with iCloud backup turned off.

Nope.
 

Mattlcook

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I’ve been experimenting with the sync features. Deleting an entire message thread works fine across iOS devices. But, if go into a message thread and try to delete a single message from the conversation (tap and hold a message, click “More”, select the individual message, and click delete), it works on the device I’m using, but deletes the ENTIRE message thread from my other iOS devices. Can anyone else confirm this?
 

Apple_Robert

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I’ve been experimenting with the sync features. Deleting an entire message thread works fine across iOS devices. But, if go into a message thread and try to delete a single message from the conversation (tap and hold a message, click “More”, select the individual message, and click delete), it works on the device I’m using, but deletes the ENTIRE message thread from my other iOS devices. Can anyone else confirm this?
It deletes the entire thread for me as well.
 

atlchamp

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F3D933C7-11B4-4B4E-AC85-80D82C261C43.png 430F32A2-7BDA-43AE-87A9-2B5D6BA650AD.png Anyone know why iCloud shows 56GB of messages but only 6GB on my device in convos? I’m confused
 

Irishappletech

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Aug 31, 2017
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yes i have this too i havent a clue what it means it says zero kb conversations but 11mb in message storage
[doublepost=1527727120][/doublepost]also is there a way to keep a copy in the cloud and have a copy on the phone. I deleted them all as i didn't care about them they were old messages that i didn't need so i wanted to start fresh and just sync from now on but it doesnt seen to let me do that. how can i redownload the older messages from the cloud to the device
 

Apple_Robert

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Can someone turn off iMessage Cloud sync and then turn back on, and see if you get messages on both devices again? I turned off and back on, on two different devices and now I am not getting messages on both devices.
 

Morac

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Can someone turn off iMessage Cloud sync and then turn back on, and see if you get messages on both devices again? I turned off and back on, on two different devices and now I am not getting messages on both devices.

You should get messages on both devices whether or not Messages in iCloud is on or off as iMessage has sent them to all devices for awhile now. Only if one device is off for several days would having Messages in iCloud on make a difference.

For what it’s worth I turned MII off on my iPhone and turned it back on and I still get messages on it and my iPad. I’m just not seeing older messages sync.
 

Irishappletech

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Aug 31, 2017
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Basic Great guy same for me. since i use continuity when i text someone from my phone it will appear on the iPad and mac too. but i wanted to test the feature. so i set up my old iPhone 6 as new and turned on messages in iCloud and none of the messages stored in iCloud appeared

I think Apple messed up this feature they made it overly complicated. your not sure if a message uploaded or not theres no upload bar like photos has. i seriously think everyone here should leave them feedback if enough of us do they will have to change it https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

TBH i dont care about the storing messages in iCloud bit anyway only part i really want is the part that allows deletion on all devices thats the bit i was looking forward to most the messages aren't important to me so i tend to delete them anyway but hopefully they'll make things simpler
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View attachment 763767 View attachment 763768 Anyone know why iCloud shows 56GB of messages but only 6GB on my device in convos? I’m confused


im confused about this too what does this mean
 

Apple_Robert

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You should get messages on both devices whether or not Messages in iCloud is on or off as iMessage has sent them to all devices for awhile now. Only if one device is off for several days would having Messages in iCloud on make a difference.

For what it’s worth I turned MII off on my iPhone and turned it back on and I still get messages on it and my iPad. I’m just not seeing older messages sync.
I signed out of iCloud and back in on both iPhones (Verizon and T-Mobile) and turned messages back on in the cloud, and still only getting messages on the Verizon phone. Before I turned off messages in cloud, I was getting texts on both phones.
 

Irishappletech

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yeah they clearly rushed this out still buggy for fear of not getting it out before iOS 12. Please leave them feedback i have there. you got any idea what that "Conversations" thing is
[doublepost=1527729497][/doublepost]i found a quote by craig fedherigi perhaps this will explain why its acting wierd. apparently any new texts aren't stored in the cloud just older ones the new ones are cached locally on the device

"With your messages in the cloud, we only need to keep your most recent messages cached on the device," Federighi said at the time. "That makes for smaller and faster backups." - Craig Fedherigi
 

Morac

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I signed out of iCloud and back in on both iPhones (Verizon and T-Mobile) and turned messages back on in the cloud, and still only getting messages on the Verizon phone. Before I turned off messages in cloud, I was getting texts on both phones.

Are both phones signed into the same Apple ID under the Messages setting (as opposed to the iCloud settings)? If not, sign in, If so, try sending a message to your Apple ID rather than the phone number. Also makes sure both phones numbers show up in the list of send and receive addresses.

Though I didn’t think having multiple phones connected to the same iMessage was supported as each phone number is its own iMessage account. A phone number can be linked to an Apple ID though.
 

Apple_Robert

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Are both phones signed into the same Apple ID under the Messages setting (as opposed to the iCloud settings)? If not, sign in, If so, try sending a message to your Apple ID rather than the phone number. Also makes sure both phones numbers show up in the list of send and receive addresses.

Though I didn’t think having multiple phones connected to the same iMessage was supported as each phone number is its own iMessage account. A phone number can be linked to an Apple ID though.
I have 2 diff phone numbers that both use the same Apple ID. Last night phone B didn’t have text forwarding on. If I turn it on, I will get the text to both phones.
1 can be reached by message is checked for both numbers.

Edited to add: It appears to have finally started working again. Very buggy indeed.
 
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IHelpId10t5

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I have a sincere question closely related to this thread. At what point in time did smartphone users start assuming and expecting that SMS or iMessages would be permanently stored, like email?

I'll admit that I'm an 30+ year technology professional and therefore rarely see technology from the same viewpoint as the younger crowd. However, I have always considered iMessages and SMS messages as only effective for short and ephemeral communication. Never, ever, have I cared that the iMessage that I sent or received even a day ago persisted into next week or across devices. I have always assumed that it was my responsibility to take any included information such as a photo, contact information, or address and save that information to the appropriate storage such as my contacts or Photo library.

A great concern of mine is that I frequently observe that the vast majority of current technology users (young and old) naively accept that it's fine to just assume that technology is handling their data and that they have no care or responsibility whatsoever to maintain, organize, archive, or backup their information. And, it's not just iMessage. It troubles me greatly the number of times that I have attempted to provide support to someone that has misplaced a file and I struggle to assist them when the answer to my question of "where do you think you saved the file", is, "on my computer" or "on my phone". Unfortunately, I think that that many of the same users consider SMS/iMessage to be a communication method that is permanent in nature.

It seems, from my perspective, that the majority of today's technology users simply lack the care or patience to understand the appropriate and most effective use of the diverse communication and storage technologies that they use every day. So, maybe we need someone to set up a poll. I honestly want to know what percentage of current iMessage users expect their messages to be available/preserved forever, just like email.
 
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