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Unless your work or something absolutely ties you to the Mail app in iOS, I have no idea why any of you are still using that app? I mean I understand your frustration, but I would have moved on 6 months ago.

Perhaps because it has options like advanced formatting that are not available in Outlook. Plus it integrates much more nicely into Files, etc. It’s not perfect but it does have its advantages. I go back and forth between Mail and Outlook.
 
In the Photos app, you can now slide between Years, Months, Days, and All Photos.

While testing this I found that we can long press and swipe left/right on the thumbnails in Years to select the one we want for that year.

But alas it's not new behavior. It's there on 13.3.1. So late to this.
 
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I'm always confused by these types of statements.

Outside of us that are on the beta program and discuss this stuff on a daily basis, would you prefer to just wait for all of the fixes at once? Because you can get off the beta program and just wait for 13.4 to be publicly released if that's the case.

I'm glad Apple releases more as it means they are working on stuff, even if very minor.

My frustration stems from the fact that over the course of this excruciatingly frustrating beta period - hardly any of the bugs that I have painstakingly reported (even re-reported in many cases) have not been fixed. Which then makes me wonder what they’re actually addressing/fixing in each incremental build.

Please don’t take the liberty to assume that I don’t understand the purpose of why a developer beta program exists. Some of us have been doing this for well over a decade now.
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perhaps Apple will announce it as a major new feature of iOS 14.

This is entirely within the realm of possibility. The fact that core parts of the OS work as intended may itself the headline feature of iOS 14.

“We’re calling it Back to Basics (B2B) where everything we botched in iOS 13 is now finally working as it was supposed to.” — Federighi then asks the entire iOS engineering team to stand up - crowd goes nuts.
 
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Perhaps because it has options like advanced formatting that are not available in Outlook. Plus it integrates much more nicely into Files, etc. It’s not perfect but it does have its advantages. I go back and forth between Mail and Outlook.

Also, the iOS Mail app pushes email from subfolders in Exchange accounts, which Outlook doesn't do - despite people complaining about it for years.

That means you get notifications about the incoming email without having to open up the folder to check mail.

I for one have rules set up for mail to get put into folders, which I would miss if I were relying on Outlook's push and notifications.
 
My frustration stems from the fact that over the course of this excruciatingly frustrating beta period - hardly any of the bugs that I have painstakingly reported (even re-reported in many cases) have not been fixed. Which then makes me wonder what they’re actually addressing/fixing in each incremental build.

Please don’t take the liberty to assume that I don’t understand the purpose of why a developer beta program exists. Some of us have been doing this for well over a decade now.
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This is entirely within the realm of possibility. The fact that core parts of the OS work as intended may itself the headline feature of iOS 14.

“We’re calling it Back to Basics (B2B) where everything we botched in iOS 13 is now finally working as it was supposed to.” — Federighi then asks the entire iOS engineering team to stand up - crowd goes nuts.

Perhaps Apple does not prioritize bugs in the same way you do?

Certainly, a bug that is affecting you seems like a big deal.

And it might be...for you and a small percentage of others. But not enough to warrant a diversion of resources from other tasks (other, more serious bugs or new development).

Or...it might affect a lot of users but not be serious enough to warrant the diversion of those same resources.

Or, Apple has roadmapped a fix into future releases and didn’t tell you.

Or they need to fix other dependencies before they can fix what ails you.

Or...or...or...

My point is, to quote a famous pre-historic meme: Your emergency is not necessarily Apple's priority.
 
Perhaps Apple does not prioritize bugs in the same way you do?

Certainly, a bug that is affecting you seems like a big deal.

And it might be...for you and a small percentage of others. But not enough to warrant a diversion of resources from other tasks (other, more serious bugs or new development).

Or...it might affect a lot of users but not be serious enough to warrant the diversion of those same resources.

Or, Apple has roadmapped a fix into future releases and didn’t tell you.

Or they need to fix other dependencies before they can fix what ails you.

Or...or...or...

My point is, to quote a famous pre-historic meme: Your emergency is not necessarily Apple's priority.
The way this beta cycle has gone, I can’t quite fathom what Apple’s priority has been to be honest. In any case, I’m basing my comments looking at my own experience and sample size of observations - which isn’t immaterial at this point. I really couldn’t care less about what Apple or anyone else thinks.
 
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The Apple Stores in Tokyo are always packed. The line outside the Kawasaki one quadrupled back on itself when it opened.

Average folks don’t seem to notice the bugs we do. Apple has no incentive to fix this crappy iOS version when they’re making the money they do. I doubt it’s affected their bottom line much, if at all.
 
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Also, the iOS Mail app pushes email from subfolders in Exchange accounts, which Outlook doesn't do - despite people complaining about it for years.

That means you get notifications about the incoming email without having to open up the folder to check mail.

I for one have rules set up for mail to get put into folders, which I would miss if I were relying on Outlook's push and notifications.
The only app available on App Store which gives mail sub folder notifications, is the native iOS Mail app. None other than that.
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Perhaps Apple does not prioritize bugs in the same way you do?

Certainly, a bug that is affecting you seems like a big deal.

And it might be...for you and a small percentage of others. But not enough to warrant a diversion of resources from other tasks (other, more serious bugs or new development).

Or...it might affect a lot of users but not be serious enough to warrant the diversion of those same resources.

Or, Apple has roadmapped a fix into future releases and didn’t tell you.

Or they need to fix other dependencies before they can fix what ails you.

Or...or...or...

My point is, to quote a famous pre-historic meme: Your emergency is not necessarily Apple's priority.
I don’t think as customers we need to find justification for what Apple does not do. We don’t have a life time agreement with Apple.
Its free market. You choose what suits you best.
 
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Average folks don’t seem to notice the bugs we do.
That's pretty much it, I agree. It's a shame, as Apple used to work towards perfection (or so it seemed) but now they stop at "close enough". They're not short of money, hence they could staff development teams to fix minor bugs if they wished. They choose not to.

Unfortunately for us, they're just a normal business and hence do cost-benefit analysis all the time to work out what's worth doing and what isn't. To glibly summarise: it is what it is. I always stay on the latest betas but no longer waste my time with Feedbacks.
 
Perhaps Apple does not prioritize bugs in the same way you do?

Certainly, a bug that is affecting you seems like a big deal.

And it might be...for you and a small percentage of others. But not enough to warrant a diversion of resources from other tasks (other, more serious bugs or new development).

Or...it might affect a lot of users but not be serious enough to warrant the diversion of those same resources.

Or, Apple has roadmapped a fix into future releases and didn’t tell you.

Or they need to fix other dependencies before they can fix what ails you.

Or...or...or...

My point is, to quote a famous pre-historic meme: Your emergency is not necessarily Apple's priority.
I reported the O2 UK iPhone XR signal bug which caused iPhone XR's on the O2 network to loose signal or freeze until rebooted back when iOS 13.0 was still in beta, this was only just fixed on 13.3.1

If it takes Apple 6 months to fix a major bug that prevents a mobile phone from working as a mobile phone, I dont trust them to fix anything in a timely manner.

I gave up waiting for them to fix it so I sold my XR to my friend on the EE network and ended up with an iPhone 11, which is lining Apple's pocket with more money for failure but then again I also don't want an Android phone either.

The XR on EE for my friend was perfect and thankfully the 11 seems to be working fine on the O2 network.
 
I reported the O2 UK iPhone XR signal bug which caused iPhone XR's on the O2 network to loose signal or freeze until rebooted back when iOS 13.0 was still in beta, this was only just fixed on 13.3.1

If it takes Apple 6 months to fix a major bug that prevents a mobile phone from working as a mobile phone, I dont trust them to fix anything in a timely manner.

I gave up waiting for them to fix it so I sold my XR to my friend on the EE network and ended up with an iPhone 11, which is lining Apple's pocket with more money for failure but then again I also don't want an Android phone either.

The XR on EE for my friend was perfect and thankfully the 11 seems to be working fine on the O2 network.

So... everyone (or most) on O2 who had an xR experienced this issue? Call me skeptical.
 
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I updated yesterday while at work, and to my surprise when I got back in my car to head home, the listed route was the route I normally take! I don’t like taking the highway home from work, but I don’t want to enable the Avoid Tolls or Highways Options, as the only time I really avoid the highway is to and from work... Traffic never seems to update until I’m right at the spot impacted. I know it’s quicker to just take an alternate route instead, and for what seems like forever now, when I’d turn away from the highway it’d still keep trying to re-route me back to the highway again, even after I’m a good distance away. Eventually it’d just tell me a different local way to go and I’d just keep driving the same route I’d drive every day.

Well, yesterday when I turned away from the highway, the route immediately changed to the route I’ve been taking for years. If that’s on purpose, Hurray! If it’s accidental or a one off Remains to be seen.

I couldn’t tell how the route TO work went this morning because now the CarPlay screen isn’t being enabled. I’m getting power to my iPhone 11 PM and I can see the “Projection” icon on my Car’s stereo display change to the CarPlay Icon, and then back to the Projection icon and back and forth and back and forth.. I restarted my iPhone and my Car even (and opened the door and closed it to make the Stereo stop/turn off), and although I wasn’t able to get the CarPlay Screen to display again, I was able to at least listen to music on my Stereo using my iPhone as an input and just selected what I wanted to play on the Phone itself. Not sure what would have changed from my ride home to my ride into work, though :-/

Ive also noticed that on iPadOS13.4 b3 there’s an email in my iCloud mailbox that keeps changing to being marked as New. I can tap it and then tap a different email, but it stays marked as new. I can swipe to mark it as read but then when I come back to the Mail app again, it’s marked as New again...

You win some you lose some. And then lose some more, I guess.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I updated yesterday while at work, and to my surprise when I got back in my car to head home, the listed route was the route I normally take! I don’t like taking the highway home from work, but I don’t want to enable the Avoid Tolls or Highways Options, as the only time I really avoid the highway is to and from work... Traffic never seems to update until I’m right at the spot impacted. I know it’s quicker to just take an alternate route instead, and for what seems like forever now, when I’d turn away from the highway it’d still keep trying to re-route me back to the highway again, even after I’m a good distance away. Eventually it’d just tell me a different local way to go and I’d just keep driving the same route I’d drive every day.

Well, yesterday when I turned away from the highway, the route immediately changed to the route I’ve been taking for years. If that’s on purpose, Hurray! If it’s accidental or a one off Remains to be seen.

I couldn’t tell how the route TO work went this morning because now the CarPlay screen isn’t being enabled. I’m getting power to my iPhone 11 PM and I can see the “Projection” icon on my Car’s stereo display change to the CarPlay Icon, and then back to the Projection icon and back and forth and back and forth.. I restarted my iPhone and my Car even (and opened the door and closed it to make the Stereo stop/turn off), and although I wasn’t able to get the CarPlay Screen to display again, I was able to at least listen to music on my Stereo using my iPhone as an input and just selected what I wanted to play on the Phone itself. Not sure what would have changed from my ride home to my ride into work, though :-/

Ive also noticed that on iPadOS13.4 b3 there’s an email in my iCloud mailbox that keeps changing to being marked as New. I can tap it and then tap a different email, but it stays marked as new. I can swipe to mark it as read but then when I come back to the Mail app again, it’s marked as New again...

You win some you lose some. And then lose some more, I guess.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If you have not tried this already, power off and back on the phone before you get into the car next time. I have had that issue on my car with older betas and restarting the phone has fixed it. In fact it's become a regular part of my beta testing procedure.
 
If you have not tried this already, power off and back on the phone before you get into the car next time. I have had that issue on my car with older betas and restarting the phone has fixed it. In fact it's become a regular part of my beta testing procedure.

I did note in my post that I restarted both my phone (after unplugging it) and even restarted my car at a stop. I’ve found that I have to open my car door, too, so that the stereo turns off like I’ve “left the car”. Didn’t see any change today other than still being able to pass music thru the cable to my stereo. I’ve got a 2018 Chevy Impala.
 
Did this one install much faster for anyone else? Usually they are in Preparing Update... forever.
 
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