iOS 15.4 Beta 5 ― Bug Fixes, Changes, and Improvements

[christian.terra]

i’m only noticing it now with beta 5 and resetting network settings did not fix.

 

[GoldenChild]

Ended up with pretty decent ? life last night.

Clocked off with 19% ? left for 10h55m usage.

Can’t complain about that.

13 pro max.

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Pretty good. What apps are in your top usage?

 

[LFC2020]

Pretty good. What apps are in your top usage?

Safari, YouTube and fake Wordle lol.

 

[geneo]

Trust me, I’d love to have the confidence in the software doing OTAs all the time, but it’s just not there.

I’ll always be thinking, “has that installed properly” and the second anything bugs out, I’d jump on an IPSW re-install anyway ??

Hey,
Where do you get the IPSW from?

 

[Pearsey]

Hey,
Where do you get the IPSW from?

Some geeza in the market. Does me a proper deal like.

 

[vinegarshots]

Ended up with pretty decent ? life last night.

Clocked off with 19% ? left for 10h55m usage.

Can’t complain about that.

13 pro max.

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Just a reminder that you won't get an accurate Screen On time per-charge unless you took this screenshot 23.9 hours after your last charge, with no top-up charges in that 24 hour period (in this case, you would have needed to take this screenshot at 6:56AM)

I see a lot of people reporting much higher screen-on times than they're actually getting because of misunderstandings of how the battery app reports SOT

 

[geneo]

Some geeza in the market. Does me a proper deal like.

Thanks, that was real helpful

 

[LFC2020]

Just a reminder that you won't get an accurate Screen On time per-charge unless you took this screenshot 23.9 hours after your last charge, with no top-up charges in that 24 hour period (in this case, you would have needed to take this screenshot at 6:56AM)

I see a lot of people reporting much higher screen-on times than they're actually getting because of misunderstandings of how the battery app reports SOT

She’s accurate chief, battery percentage resets at midnight, stopped using my phone before midnight ?

 

[OhMyMy]

I have never had this kinda of luck with OTA’s for my phone to work perfectly after updating .. I always seem to have bugs like most people but then I only do IPSW since 15.2 beta 1 and have had better results and not having the bugs some are seeing but all phones and users are different so your results may very ..

Have to agree. I do an OTA but if I start seeing odd bugs I’ll do an ipsw. I do the ipsw for each actual release to public. So far it has appeared to help.
Technically it should not, but it does.
Feels like I am back in the old 95/98/XP days…

Clarification: an IPSW-based update is still a delta and only replaces stuff that changed — it's just using the full OS install image as the source of the files being copied. (It may do different stuff in the upgrade scripts themselves than what the OTA install does, but I have no specific insights into that.)

It's an IPSW restore that wipes everything and installs a new copy of the OS wholesale (and, obviously, removes all user data in the process).

Sort of correct. For super simplicity sake, say you have an app that has 10 files. An update to the app changes 3 of those files. So OTA would basically copy the 3 new files over the 3 old files with same name effectively removing the old files completely. Now a full install of said app (IPSW) would also overwrite those 3 files but will also recopy the 7 files that were never changed in the 1st place. So technically you are left with the same set of 10 files either way.

This would make sense. The point is, we will never know, as hardly anyone outside of Apple has insight on how they handle IPSW updates/installs. It could be that they compare file date/size between the IPSW and what's already installed, and just copy it if there's a discrepancy, essentially making it not too different from an OTA update. Or it may be as you say, and they replace everything.

In any case, as a further anecdotal data point: I never ever did my updates with IPSW. Always OTA. And I've been through most betas. My iPhone works perfectly. So it's not OTA vs IPSW per se causing (nor solving) issues - there are so many other variables in play.

The almighty Craig Federighi himself can put an end to the debate and any lingering doubts. He says OTA or IPSW shouldn't make any difference as the OS has checks in place and that there's only one way about it.

 

[Isamilis]

OTAs are like patches really aren’t they. But nothing beats a full reinstall with software. (IPSW)

Did full restore with the steps on my iPhone 11 (copied from your other posts):

1. Backup the iPhone
2. Download the IPSW.
3. Go to finder, hold option and click restore, select the IPSW.
4. Then use the Full backup you would have made to your computer, before you started this process, when prompted.

Battery is much better (previously it keeps draining overnight). Also got 0kb system data (not sure how much before). I have also Bluetooth issue which made stuttering audio on my car audio, which also disappeared. The whole process is about 20 minutes, but after that, the apps are redownloaded which may take sometime (my self is about 5 hours - depend on wifi speed). My banking apps were also need to reauthenticate.
Now, I am trying this for my iPP M1. Thank you!!

 

[LFC2020]

Did full restore with the steps on my iPhone 11 (copied from your other posts):

1. Backup the iPhone
2. Download the IPSW.
3. Go to finder, hold option and click restore, select the IPSW.
4. Then use the Full backup you would have made to your computer, before you started this process, when prompted.

Battery is much better (previously it keeps draining overnight). Also got 0kb system data (not sure how much before). I have also Bluetooth issue which made stuttering audio on my car audio, which also disappeared. The whole process is about 20 minutes, but after that, the apps are redownloaded which may take sometime (my self is about 5 hours - depend on wifi speed). My banking apps were also need to reauthenticate.
Now, I am trying this for my iPP M1. Thank you!!

Wow wee, this seems like a lot of work.

Think I’ll stick with OTA in the meantime.

 

[LFC2020]

The almighty Craig Federighi himself can put an end to the debate and any lingering doubts. He says OTA or IPSW shouldn't make any difference as the OS has checks in place and that there's only one way about it.

The ? has spoken.

 

[vinegarshots]

She’s accurate chief, battery percentage resets at midnight, stopped using my phone before midnight ?

The timer on Screen Time resets at midnight. The stats in Settings>Battery are on a rolling 24 hour report and midnight doesn't factor in. Your screenshot looked like the Settings>Battery screen to me

 

[Isamilis]

Wow wee, this seems like a lot of work.

Think I’ll stick with OTA in the meantime.

Agree it needs more time than OTA. I think this approach didn’t have to be done in every updates (unless I have spare time). Just when I have been few version updates via OTA (which had been the case on my iPhone).

 

[LFC2020]

The timer on Screen Time resets at midnight. The stats in Settings>Battery are on a rolling 24 hour report and midnight doesn't factor in. Your screenshot looked like the Settings>Battery screen to me

It’s accurate champ, checked my usage yesterday and today, once I took the phone off charge, it had 1 or 2 minutes usage. ?

Don’t forget I’m looking at the daily battery usage, only time it won’t be accurate, is when you use your phone after midnight.

 

[vinegarshots]

It’s accurate champ, checked my usage yesterday and today, once I took the phone off charge, it had 1 or 2 minutes usage. ?

Don’t forget I’m looking at the daily battery usage, only time it won’t be accurate, is when you use your phone after midnight.

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Ah, nice-- I didn't know you could just select a single daily column like that. That's handy...good to know! ?

 

[Pearsey]

Thanks, that was real helpful

Developer account with Apple.
Thought it was a very simple answer ?

 

[Pearsey]

Did full restore with the steps on my iPhone 11 (copied from your other posts):

1. Backup the iPhone
2. Download the IPSW.
3. Go to finder, hold option and click restore, select the IPSW.
4. Then use the Full backup you would have made to your computer, before you started this process, when prompted.

Battery is much better (previously it keeps draining overnight). Also got 0kb system data (not sure how much before). I have also Bluetooth issue which made stuttering audio on my car audio, which also disappeared. The whole process is about 20 minutes, but after that, the apps are redownloaded which may take sometime (my self is about 5 hours - depend on wifi speed). My banking apps were also need to reauthenticate.
Now, I am trying this for my iPP M1. Thank you!!

5hrs…. Geese. Never been longer than 30 mins for me. Maybe your internet was being effected by road works.

 

[Pearsey]

The almighty Craig Federighi himself can put an end to the debate and any lingering doubts. He says OTA or IPSW shouldn't make any difference as the OS has checks in place and that there's only one way about it.

Not sure how much I believe that screen grabbed email… because ultimately it seems he’s talking out of his bottom when they both can have completely different results on an iPhone - when they shouldn’t have it “seems”.

That I at least know, is fact.

 

[OhMyMy]

Not sure how much I believe that screen grabbed email… because ultimately it seems he’s talking out of his bottom when they both can have completely different results on an iPhone - when they shouldn’t have it “seems”.

That’s I at least know, is fact.

Unlike everyone on this forum he’s directly involved with the development of the iOS. So you can’t know for a fact and definitely not better than him.

Are you even involved in any sort of software development at all? You knowing something without any kind of proof besides your personal experience would be considered an opinion which isn’t the same as a fact.

 

[LFC2020]

Not sure how much I believe that screen grabbed email… because ultimately it seems he’s talking out of his bottom when they both can have completely different results on an iPhone - when they shouldn’t have it “seems”.

That’s I at least know, is fact.

ANNNND the plot thickens once again. ?

Since Craig the Fonz is overseeing iOS development, can’t see him coming out publicly and favoring one over the other.

Think this has been done to death, everyone choose what they feel comfortable with when it comes to installing updates.

There is no right or wrong way in the end.

 

[LFC2020]

Are you even involved in any sort of software development at all?

Does it really matter if he is or isn’t?

End of day, some people prefer going the IPSW route, while others prefer OTA.

Simple as that I reckon.

 

[sbailey4]

I have never had this kinda of luck with OTA’s for my phone to work perfectly after updating .. I always seem to have bugs like most people but then I only do IPSW since 15.2 beta 1 and have had better results and not having the bugs some are seeing but all phones and users are different so your results may very ..

Wow wee, this seems like a lot of work.

Think I’ll stick with OTA in the meantime.

My OTA process has been as follows:
1: Close all Apps (any in recent list)
2: Reboot device
3: Install update as soon as it boots back before doing anything else.

Seems to work fine for me since iOS 5.0.x days. Have done ISPW a few times just because but never really have seen any difference. Anyway, as many have stated, whatever works for YOU and makes you feel warm and fuzzy is the RIGHT way to do it. At least until Apple removes the port and kills off iTunes.

 

[LFC2020]

My OTA process has been as follows:
1: Close all Apps (any in recent list)
2: Reboot device
3: Install update as soon as it boots back before doing anything else.

Also close all apps, never rebooted device, any reason why you do this?

I close all my apps and go bang straight away.

Seems to work fine for me since iOS 5.0.x days. Have done ISPW a few times just because but never really have seen any difference. Anyway, as many have stated, whatever works for YOU and makes you feel warm and fuzzy is the RIGHT way to do it. At least until Apple removes the port and kills off iTunes.

Don’t forget MagSafe will take over once the lightning port is gone, people will lose their marbles if apple killed off iTunes (finder)

I’ll be one of them, since I backup to my Mac. ?

 

[OhMyMy]

Does it really matter if he is or isn’t?

End of day, some people prefer going the IPSW route, while others prefer OTA.

Simple as that I reckon.

It matters if someone who’s not involved in development is questioning an expert in the field. Preference is another thing. I usually do OTAs myself and only IPSW when I’m having any problems. I’ve been thinking that OTAs do the whole copy to replace till now but apparently that’s not the case.

In the end it’s up to the individual user to proceed how they choose. But at least the longstanding question as to which is better has been answered.