Go sell all that Apple gear you own. No reason to support a company you no longer have any faith in any longer. Or are you just here to stand on your soapbox and come across like sour grapes.
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iOS 15 makes iPhone XS feel overall sluggish
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CPUs don't become slower over the course of a 2-3 years, that's just not true. If anything the CPU is the last thing that would slow down or fail in an iPhone or any computer in general.
Obviously, because ProMotion hides it quite a bit compared to 60hz on all the other iPhones.
I think the 13 Pros for that reason are the ones least impacted by this, however the 60hz iPhones are all similarly impacted by the UI lags and smoothness issues.
Funny, my wife has a 12 Pro Max, not experiencing any lagging with iOS 15. According to you she should be experiencing lagging because Apple is starting to cripple her phone.
The forced obsolescence myth is just that a myth.
Does that means you will be selling all your “crippled” Apple gear?
I am not seeing any lagging if I set ProMotion to 60Hz. My wife is not seeing any lagging with her 12 Pro Max.
I also think that planned obsolescence is a myth really as it would show in benchmarks if our phones are slowing down and frankly the scores don't go down over time in a linear fashion (sporadic slowdowns like 14.5.1 can happen though but that's not really "planned obsolescence" which got patched in the next release).
if (application = benchmark) then
{
Increase performance
}
else
{
Cripple Device
}
;
Benchmarks don't tell the whole story. The M1 benchmarked higher than the i5-8400 and GTX 1050 ti, yet it can't even browse through 4chan on its Christmas theme smoothly while the Windows PC with those specs could do it on 144 hz.
********. Even if this was the case, the benchmark scores back when Apple slowed down phones with degraded batteries would have stayed the same regardless if your phone had a degraded battery or not.
So has Apple.
The only difference is that the Android manufacturers stopped cheating and we see little difference between their benchmark performance and actual performance.
Apple is another story, and I'm not quite convinced they stopped cheating. Why can't the M1 scroll through 4chan Christmas theme smoothly? Why is there such a disconnect between Apple's benchmark and real world performance?
So has Apple.
The only difference is that the Android manufacturers stopped cheating and we see little difference between their benchmark performance and actual performance.
Apple is another story, and I'm not quite convinced they stopped cheating. Why can't the M1 scroll through 4chan Christmas theme smoothly? Why is there such a disconnect between
You are aware that the M1 demolishes its Windows competitors (except the best Ryzen laptops) in practically every single way while costing 999$ right?So has Apple.
The only difference is that the Android manufacturers stopped cheating and we see little difference between their benchmark performance and actual performance.
Apple is another story, and I'm not quite convinced they stopped cheating. Why can't the M1 scroll through 4chan Christmas theme smoothly? Why is there such a disconnect between Apple's benchmark and real world performance?
In benchmarks only.
The M1 struggles with basic web browsing. Just go on YouTube and hit the maximize window button. The lag as the video shifts to full screen is gross.
4chan was just unbearable on Christmas week. The scrolling performance was horrendous.
Normally in 2-3 years, you are right but it does boil down to how much it is used at higher frequencies and if any defects in the chip itself exist. I mean, if you push a CPU all day long, it will die sooner than one that idles. I was just throwing that out because it does happen and can happen for several reasons, not super common but not non-existent either.
Unrelated to UI smoothness, but my iPhone XS Max throttles super duper hard when being used as a wired modem for my PC and download something. Not sure how it is being handled on newer iPhone but thermal throttling while using 4G is no joke.
Apple could’ve limited software limited how their silicon behaves in high temperature, but they never did anything, even for M1. Situation is only getting worse for devices with passive cooling.
Apple could’ve limited software limited how their silicon behaves in high temperature, but they never did anything, even for M1. Situation is only getting worse for devices with passive cooling.
You are right in that CPUs which constantly run at their maximum clock speed will die sooner than ones that don't.
However CPUs are generally very resilient and die only after a loooong time (we are talking 10+ years). CPU defects aren't that uncommon as they are a fundamental component of binning (e.g. A15 with 5 core and 4 core GPU) but not the kind of defects that would slow down the processor in any way.
Also I believe slowdowns aren't a thing on CPUs nowadays and muuuuch less so with mobile ones which heavily rely on efficiency cores to get tasks done.
Damn that sounds bad, seems like Apple's software quality has gone downhill straight into the trashcan with this release cycle. A lot of bugs, performance issues, throttling issues like the ones you mentioned...
What's the point of having the highest benchmark performance or long software support if the device performs like a 10-year-old Android phone?
Apple fans confuse me.
Without factoring brand favoritism, you do know that a benchmark is not usually "Real World" right? What you see in benchmarks are usually an average of the "Best performance." Most of the time, generally speaking what a user sees in a benchmark does not directly relate to their overall experience on the device. It is similar when the auto industry states a particular car can get "Up to X MPG." What they don't state is that number comes from the best case scenario and that most drivers won't hit that number.
10-year-old was an exaggeration. But you get the point. My S10 trounces my iPhone 11 in terms of smoothness. Can't wait until iOS 16 turns my iPhone 11 into a toaster with 1 hour battery life.
My question was rhetorical, as iPhone users tend to state benchmark figures and software supports as main advantages of owning an iPhone. I'd rather have Samsung's 2 or 3-year support with stable and optimized software over Apple's 5-years of malware.
That said, I do think Apple is playing funny games with the benchmark. The M1 Mac was supposed to be faster than the i5-8400 with GTX 1050 ti, yet when I'm browsing through 4chan on its Christmas theme, it was laggy and choppy. My Windows PC with those specs can scroll through any site lag and stutter-free at 3440 X 1440p @ 144hz.
I also noticed lots of lag and choppy video streaming performance that my friends also noticed. I had to compress the video to 480p at 30 FPS to stream with minimal lag.
Something is definitely fishy about Apple's benchmark results.
Apple have already paid numerous fines for planned obsolescence - it’s not up for debate whether they do it or not, but the fines are a drop in the ocean compared to the additional revenue it generates.
Everyone has a smartphone, and they’re a mature product so there is less incentive to buy ‘the new model’, but Apple need to increase profits year on year for shareholders, so they’ve got to force users to keep buying new phones somehow, otherwise profits will decline.
They’re clever about how they do if of course. It seems to UI issues are built into the software so you can’t escape them by not upgrading the iOS, and many of the issues seem to be triggered on a random selection of devices. If everyone encountered exactly the same ‘problems’ it would be obvious.
These ‘issues’ will likely become more obvious and more widespread as the need to increase sales of new models increases.
Are you still hellbent on the notion that planned obsolescence (as in older phones being intentionally slowed over time to drive sales of the new models) is actually being practiced by Apple?
Also those fines you mentioned weren't related to Apple intentionally slowing down phones to drive sales (like you imply) but rather to Apple not communicating battery degradation and its effects on device performance properly. That is not planned obsolescence with a direct correlation to drive sales (although it was percieved as such).
And like I mentioned multiple times, these UI issues also affect the 13s to some extent and more so the 12s.
It wouldn't make sense for them to slow down their latest model as that would hamper customer satisfaction and consequently potentially do the same to future sales.
Also: can you link me some of those fines regarding real planned obsolescence not related to battery degradation?