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Taz Mangus

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The M1 Mac was supposed to be faster than the i5-8400 with GTX 1050 ti, yet when I'm browsing through 4chan on its Christmas theme, it was laggy and choppy. My Windows PC with those specs can scroll through any site lag and stutter-free at 3440 X 1440p @ 144hz.
I also noticed lots of lag and choppy video streaming performance that my friends also noticed. I had to compress the video to 480p at 30 FPS to stream with minimal lag.
Did you contact Apple Support to open a case about the lag issue you had with the 4chan on its Christmas theme?
 
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BladeRunner95

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Are you still hellbent on the notion that planned obsolescence (as in older phones being intentionally slowed over time to drive sales of the new models) is actually being practiced by Apple?

Also those fines you mentioned weren't related to Apple intentionally slowing down phones to drive sales (like you imply) but rather to Apple not communicating battery degradation and its effects on device performance properly. That is not planned obsolescence with a direct correlation to drive sales (although it was percieved as such).

And like I mentioned multiple times, these UI issues also affect the 13s to some extent and more so the 12s.

It wouldn't make sense for them to slow down their latest model as that would hamper customer satisfaction and consequently potentially do the same to future sales.

Also: can you link me some of those fines regarding real planned obsolescence not related to battery degradation?
You must be wet behind the ears if you think planned obsolescence is not being employed to drive sales.

The only fines are related to the battery level technique as they were forced to admit that one after being caught.
 
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You must be wet behind the ears if you think planned obsolescence is not being employed to drive sales.

The only fines are related to the battery level technique as they were forced to admit that one after being caught.
I would like some proof of Apple driving planned obsolescence not related to battery degradation to drive sales then. Also you didn't link me the fines you were talking about regarding planned obsolescence in your context.

Your statements are nothing but baseless assumptions in my eyes and all kinds of benchmark scores contradict this notion.
 
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Taz Mangus

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I would like some proof of Apple driving planned obsolescence not related to battery degradation to drive sales then. Also you didn't link me the fines you were talking about regarding planned obsolescence in your context.

Your statements are nothing but baseless assumptions in my eyes and all kinds of benchmark scores contradict this notion.
I would also like to see actual proof of this myth that some people continue to perpetrate as fact.
 
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I would like some proof of Apple driving planned obsolescence not related to battery degradation to drive sales then. Also you didn't link me the fines you were talking about regarding planned obsolescence in your context.

Your statements are nothing but baseless assumptions in my eyes and all kinds of benchmark scores contradict this notion.
You said it best before, it doesn't really make sense since there are issues occurring on the 13 as well. These issues are not specific to old devices, just a general lack of optimization.
 
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You said it best before, it doesn't really make sense since there are issues occurring on the 13 as well. These issues are not specific to old devices, just a general lack of optimization.
And this general lack of optimization responsible for the UI and performance issues talked about in this thread is indicative of Apple's software quality.

This isn't some planned obsolescence BS, it is the decline of Apple's software quality and quite possibly a consequence of WFH (Apple's software-hardware magic/optimization largely depends on in-person collaboration so it's reasonable to assume that).
 

Taz Mangus

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Why would I need to contact Apple support when this is clearly a case of the M1 being an overrated piece of junk equivalent to an i3-3220 with GT 630?
If it were me I sure would want to find a solution and enjoy using the equipment that I paid good money for. Too bad that you are choosing to sulk and just complain about it on a public forum.
 
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If it were me I sure would want to find a solution and enjoy using the equipment that I paid good money for. Too bad that you are choosing to sulk and just complain about it on a public forum.
This is a hardware issue and running as intended. I faced the same problems on both the iMac and Mac Mini, both on M1 chips.
The M1 isn't special. It's overrated with inflated benchmarks.
 
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Sounds like a software bug. What’s your plan to complain about it in every thread you post in.
It's not a software bug. It's just overrated hardware.
If this really were a software bug, then why does Windows and Android never have these issues? Why is it always Apple?

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but there is nothing magical about Apple's hardware.
 
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It's not a software bug. It's just overrated hardware.
If this really were a software bug, then why does Windows and Android never have these issues? Why is it always Apple?


Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but there is nothing magical about Apple's hardware.
Old windows on spinners would start to crawl over time. Modern cpus, fast ssds, overlocked memory and $1000 video cards make up for many deficiencies in Windows. Android, according to the internet, has it's share of issues as well. It's not only Apple. You are certainly welcome to do what you want and have your opinions, however the universe, at least imo, doesn't agree with you.
 

Taz Mangus

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It's not a software bug. It's just overrated hardware.
Because it is a software bug in macOS 12. You have not provided any evidence that what you are experiencing is a hardware problem. You saying it is a hardware problem does make it fact, of which there is zero proof.

If this really were a software bug, then why does Windows and Android never have these issues?
You are not making any sense. Windows, Android and Apple run on different hardware, each having their own OS, drivers, etc. Not sure how you made the leap from it being a hardware issues because it does not happen on other systems.

Why is it always Apple?
There are a lot of cases where some people have issues while others don't. I have not experienced the storage calculation issue, others have. I have not experienced any issues related to the battery, other have. I have not experienced any lag issues, others have. None of which are hardware issues, they are all software issues.

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but there is nothing magical about Apple's hardware.
You come across as an angry, frustrated person. Other people deal with issues in an adult fashion without resorting to your tactics.
 
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First experience with iPhone 13 Pro Max - Apps are crashing and non-responsive sometimes.
Never had that with an Android phone.

Why can't Apple just make good products? It's always low quality trash.
 

BladeRunner95

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I would like some proof of Apple driving planned obsolescence not related to battery degradation to drive sales then. Also you didn't link me the fines you were talking about regarding planned obsolescence in your context.

Your statements are nothing but baseless assumptions in my eyes and all kinds of benchmark scores contradict this notion.
The only proof will be when they get caught again and are forced to admit they were incorporating planned obsolescence techniques.

In the meantime I think you are going to see that these ‘bugs’ are never completely fixed on older iPhones. Do you really think a company like Apple would be unable to fix simple UI glitches like this?

If you want a silky smooth UI then you’ll need to upgrade your phone every year.
 

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First experience with iPhone 13 Pro Max - Apps are crashing and non-responsive sometimes.
Never had that with an Android phone.

Why can't Apple just make good products? It's always low quality trash.

Problem is balance between QA, deadlines, shareholders and profit.

Make your own company and you will see.

Stop making dumb posts on this forum and rather than write some feedbacks to Apple.
 
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The only proof will be when they get caught again and are forced to admit they were incorporating planned obsolescence techniques.

In the meantime I think you are going to see that these ‘bugs’ are never completely fixed on older iPhones. Do you really think a company like Apple would be unable to fix simple UI glitches like this?

If you want a silky smooth UI then you’ll need to upgrade your phone every year.
Or you can just move to Android and you wouldn't have to worry about the manufacturer screwing you over.
Isn't life stressful enough as is without having to worry about if an update is going to turn your device into a laggy turd? It's just unnecessary stress.
 
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Problem is balance between QA, deadlines, shareholders and profit.

Make your own company and you will see.

Stop making dumb posts on this forum and rather than write some feedbacks to Apple.
So why does Android rarely have these problems? They have it harder, because there are way more Android phones with way more manufacturers.
Why is Apple having a problem when they only have a limited number of devices to maintain?
 

Taz Mangus

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You might be easily fooled, but that doesn’t mean everybody else is
It is really good that you are here to let everyone know *your* truth. Unfortunately, *your* truth is much different than reality. I had a 6S Plus before I upgraded to a 13 Pro Max, 6 years of software updates. Not bad for a device with such ancient tech in it.
 

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It is really good that you are here to let everyone know *your* truth. Unfortunately, *your* truth is much different than reality. I had a 6S Plus before I upgraded to a 13 Pro Max, 6 years of software updates. Not bad for a device with such ancient tech in it.
What's the point of long software support if each update makes the device worse? I'd rather have 2 years of optimized software with each update making the device better like on Android.
 
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FILIPSN007

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So why does Android rarely have these problems? They have it harder, because there are way more Android phones with way more manufacturers.
Why is Apple having a problem when they only have a limited number of devices to maintain?

Problem is also in us because we are paying so much money for a mobile phone.
The right word is expectation.

Device is so expensive and every year has better camera, morec cpu cores and after keynote you want a new device.
Where is your expectation about android phone for 300 bucks? I think ... very low.

You are angry with Apple and it's alright. I am too.
You have right in one thing. It's very hard to provide that feeling of new device. It's a same iPhone for 4 years I gues??

Only way how to provide some diffrence is a software.
 
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BladeRunner95

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What's the point of long software support if each update makes the device worse? I'd rather have 2 years of optimized software with each update making the device better like on Android.
I’d rather just pay for updates for older devices, instead of having the software slow the device to the point where you’re forced to buy a new one.

Something else interesting I’ve noticed on my stuttery iPhone is where you find a website with a series of pictures you can scroll through, if you ‘swipe’ to scroll to the next image the next image stutters and judders onto the screen, but if you click the arrow icon on the site, the next image perfectly smoothly slides onto the screen.

So the swipe action obviously uses the UI code with the planned obsolescence sub routine activated, but using the websites arrow icon actions this via separate code so it’s totally smooth and skips the deliberately slowed UI code.
 
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