"Comply with European Regulations"
Comply with EU regulations you mean. The EU is not Europe.
Comply with EU regulations you mean. The EU is not Europe.
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iOS 17 to Support App Sideloading to Comply With European Regulations
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Bigger if we can use the cloud more for gaming. Not be subject to how Apple Arcade is implemented.
This is the issue I have with mandating side loading. The 15 to 30% that is paid to have apps on the App Store is a bargain. Developer good apps, let someone else worry about infrastructure.
Try selling something to Walmart, they charge 50% plus. Yeah, you can open your own store, but at what cost.
Mandatory side loading is bad news for consumers.
Epic need to open their game. I want to side load my own skin and store. That is fair too
Problem is no matter where I install it from, iOS apps still aren’t allowed to read MACs on the local network, even with the local network scanning permission.
It’s arbitrary crap like that which is the problem with Apple’s App Store policies, not where it’s installed from.
It’s arbitrary crap like that which is the problem with Apple’s App Store policies, not where it’s installed from.
Be nice to take advantage of the powerful CPU'S with some emulators
I don’t understand how sideloading can lead to malware - uncontrolled data tracking and whatnot, sure, probably… but malware? How is it going to alter the operating system? as it is, apps are heavily sandboxed in iOS. They also need explicit permissions to access most things outside of that sandbox, and those are usually “read only” permissions. I don’t see how this would suddenly change just because the app comes from a different source. You may be allowed to install “alternative apps” but iOS isn’t going to allow them to do anything an app from the App Store couldn’t do from a technical standpoint.
My theories from an earlier thread:
1) Apple will allow sideloading but not third party app stores (there's this clause in the DMA which, as per a strict reading, states that Apple has to allow sideloading or app stores, which one can argue implies that Apple is not obligated to support both).
2) Installing an app from elsewhere is likely not going to be as straightforward as flipping a switch and downloading an apk file from a website. Users might also be peppered with scary warning signs like the one we get when trying to enable third party keyboards. Might one even be required to have a Mac in order to sideload apps? Even requiring users to make a full backup of their device on iTunes first might prove enough of a deterrent for most people because of the inconvenience involved.
3) Apple may consider it justified to withhold certain features or privileges from users who choose to side load. Features like iCloud may be disabled, or Applecare+ may even get voided in more extreme cases.
4) Apple may attempt to collect their 27% cut of revenue from sales of sideloaded apps, and make the process extremely laborious for developers by requiring them to produce sales receipts. Of course this won't have an impact on free apps, but it would be another roadblock for developers attempting to circumvent the app store in order to avoid paying Apple their cut (such as Epic), as well as dissuade smaller developers who may not have the resources to ensure compliance.
So the end result may be that only a small proportion of users sideload, not many developers decide to venture outside of the App Store, and Apple still gets their cut at the end of the day.
I already fear my parents mistakenly installing a non-App Store app. And a future weekend of mine being dedicated to undoing it all.
Imagine sideloading a virtual machine on iPadOS and make it actually useful.
unfortunately, you are correct, just from the article i can already see the apple way.
Dont tell the EU. This legislation might disappear.
Well that's pretty much the common sense answer. To each person who complains that sideloading will "undermine the privacy and security protections that iPhone users rely on, leaving people vulnerable to malware, scams, data tracking, and other issues" THEN DON'T DO IT! No one is forcing you to sideload apps.
Gatekeeper and notarization is probably the key to making it work well. Gatekeeper on by default.
What did you try selling to Walmart that you know this?
Not sure how to feel about this. The few times I jail broke a device and added apps Not from the app store it was terrible experience. As far as companies charging less, WHO ARE YOU FOOLING they will charge the same and just make more profit, all while the user suffers being tracked and exploited.
At the same time im happy i absolutely hate how restrictive iOS is. I dont know if this will change any of that but it seems the way they are trying to make Mac OS go ( aka killing it). I like having what ever file types, apps i want, i like owning them for as long as i want not having them ripped from me when they are removed from the app store (part of the forced obsoleting of devices in my opinion.)
#BitterSweet
At the same time im happy i absolutely hate how restrictive iOS is. I dont know if this will change any of that but it seems the way they are trying to make Mac OS go ( aka killing it). I like having what ever file types, apps i want, i like owning them for as long as i want not having them ripped from me when they are removed from the app store (part of the forced obsoleting of devices in my opinion.)
#BitterSweet
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I’m going to guess they’ll do notarization like they do on the Mac and apps won’t be able to update themselves, which could put the brakes on easy and frequent updates. Something about this will come with strings attached that’ll make this not really viable for anything that you wouldn’t find as a binary on GitHub.
Then don't? What kind of response did you expect? Lol.
That's not entirely true. The App Store is more restrictive than what the underly system and development tools allow.
For example, there are enterprise/vertical market apps for iOS that would NOT be permitted in the App store.
If the ability to sideload apps comes to the US, that just might be enough to convince me to upgrade to an iPad Pro.
I am sure they will use a loophole like their USB-C implementation. They might allow 3rd party stores but they will probably still have to pay a fee. Maybe they will call it something like a "security check" feature to provide the best possible user experience. I also doubt they will give up sandboxing those apps. I don't think we will be able to access the system to edit the icons for example or to place the damn icons anywhere on the Home Screen
Good, this lets stuff like emulators run without the ridiculous 7-day profile expiration.
Since Apple doesn't want to invest in decent games, at least let people run games from platforms that have great ones. 😁
Since Apple doesn't want to invest in decent games, at least let people run games from platforms that have great ones. 😁
Then they will whine it's Apples fault when their phones are bricked and full of virus .
Maybe now we will get the ability to fully run IOS Apps on MacOS ??
side-loading is the worst thing. a Huge Security Risk. on mobile Devices it should be checked if the software is safe.
Just don’t buy Apple if you don’t want the App Store.
Apple in iOS 17 will for the first time allow iPhone users to download apps hosted outside of its official App Store, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.
Otherwise known as sideloading, the change would allow customers to download apps without needing to use the App Store, which would mean developers wouldn't need to pay Apple's 15 to 30 percent fees.
The European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA), which went into effect on November 1, 2022, requires "gatekeeper" companies to open up their services and platforms to other companies and developers.
The DMA will have a big impact on Apple's platforms, and it could result in Apple making major changes to the App Store, Messages, FaceTime, Siri, and more. Apple is planning to implement sideloading support to comply with the new European regulations by next year, according to Gurman.
Apple has claimed that sideloading will "undermine the privacy and security protections" that iPhone users rely on, leaving people vulnerable to malware, scams, data tracking, and other issues. However, Apple must comply with the DMA or it risks fines of as much as 20 percent of its global revenue if the EU laws are violated.
In a December 2022 report Gurman said Apple was considering implementing security requirements such as verification, a process that it could charge a fee for in lieu of collecting money from app sales. Apple has a verification system on Mac that allows users to be safe while giving them access to apps outside of the Mac App Store.
If other countries introduce similar legislation, alternate app stores could expand beyond the European Union. The United States, for example, is considering legislation that would require Apple to allow sideloading.
Article Link: iOS 17 to Support App Sideloading to Comply With European Regulations
Forcing a company to do the opposite of what it stands for is just madness.
If you want Sideloading, buy Android.