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iOS 17 to Support App Sideloading to Comply With European Regulations
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I never understood the apprehension to sidelining from people. Only about 10% of Android users bother to do it and they are the ones who are flashing a different OS each month. Even built in stores from OEMs like Samsung still can't compete with Google. Customers just don't bother.
If iOS opens up like this which on Android is a per-app permission rather than a blanket background service then it will be fine. Chances are if you're posting on a forum like this you'll know a legit app from a dodgy one.
But the benefits are not multiple stores but access to stuff not allowed by Apple such as Torrent apps and Emulators. Rather than pirating stuff, torrent apps make it quicker to download large files from dev platforms (eg github). It will also allow Microsoft to bring out a native Gamepass app instead of having to play in a browser window.
Also we've been sideloading apps on computers for 50 years.
Explain why the same restrictions exist on iPadOS then, a tablet that is running the same hardware a Mac does.
I agree it would be bad if companies did that but I just don’t see it working. The way sideloading should be set up is giving users a switch they can turn on in settings. Do you think even Facebook will be able to get over that barrier? I don’t
Good article
9to5mac.com
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If Apple had very quietly allowed sideloading a few years ago, that would have removed the antitrust threat – while the overwhelming majority of iPhone owners would have continued to get their apps from the App Store, just as they always have. The percentage of iPhone owners who will ever sideload an app is vanishingly small, so Apple has spent a lot of time and energy fighting a battle that is completely pointless
Worse, by fighting the issue so loudly and for so long, Apple has actually given the issue way more publicity than it would ever have received otherwise. It has turned what would otherwise have been a boring technical detail covered only by the Apple press into a mass-media news story. Apple has effectively contributed to its portrayal as a bad guy, with zero benefit to the company.
This is indeed an example where there was way too much banging the drum attracting negative opinions and attention. The only positive from it all is that Apple likely approached their solution better instead of implementing it rushed, in other words considered numerous aspects of what iOS 17 is getting this year.
iPhone sideloading battle was pointless at best, harmful at worst
Apple put up a lengthy fight against being forced to allow iPhone sideloading – the ability for owners to install...
9to5mac.com
Per the author
If Apple had very quietly allowed sideloading a few years ago, that would have removed the antitrust threat – while the overwhelming majority of iPhone owners would have continued to get their apps from the App Store, just as they always have. The percentage of iPhone owners who will ever sideload an app is vanishingly small, so Apple has spent a lot of time and energy fighting a battle that is completely pointless
Worse, by fighting the issue so loudly and for so long, Apple has actually given the issue way more publicity than it would ever have received otherwise. It has turned what would otherwise have been a boring technical detail covered only by the Apple press into a mass-media news story. Apple has effectively contributed to its portrayal as a bad guy, with zero benefit to the company.
This is indeed an example where there was way too much banging the drum attracting negative opinions and attention. The only positive from it all is that Apple likely approached their solution better instead of implementing it rushed, in other words considered numerous aspects of what iOS 17 is getting this year.
Personally, I think a bigger issue is the potential impact on developers. In the heyday of jailbreaking, pirating apps was relatively easy. While it still can be done today, it does involve a bit more effort.
If it becomes easier via sideloading, developers may see significant income drops; especially hurting smaller ones who may find further development uneconomic. Ultimately, they may have to take the Android route and make te app subscription based to fight piracy.
mk first of all
PEOPLE WHO WANTED THIS AREN'T LOOKING FOR A APP TO DOWNLOAD APPS FROM THE APPSTORE ON
for me, i want/desperatley need google play to be able to download software onto my chromebook, so getting play on my iphone would be great
and emulators are also not on the app store, so that would be great
stop always thinking that anything not apple=absolute garbage EEEeEWWWwWwwWwwWww
The beauty is that Apple doesn't have do software support for devices that sideload. You sideload bad software that steals info from you, you have only you to blame. Yes, the people that want to take the risk can. Might actually be a win for Apple.
And, yes, Android allowed this for a long time. But, that is why Android is hardly supported. For example, can't really go into a Samsung store and get help. Pretty much toast when it comes to support. I feel like I'm constantly helping my friends/family that took the Andriod route.
I have both Android and iOS devices for work. Should be fine.
And, yes, Android allowed this for a long time. But, that is why Android is hardly supported. For example, can't really go into a Samsung store and get help. Pretty much toast when it comes to support. I feel like I'm constantly helping my friends/family that took the Andriod route.
I have both Android and iOS devices for work. Should be fine.
Exactly. Their own controlling of app stores will allow people to get around their other rules. Just dumb.
because you shouldn't.
just because you have a iphone doesn't mean you don't need a vpn.
just because something is a popular brand, doesn't mean its safe
the idea that Apple is safer and the best choice is a lie.
sure, both andriod and apple have their saftey features, but don't just assume everything is counted for and safe.
No, I’m really upset when people post their expert opinions on topics they don’t understand like the one I responded to. It wasn’t even about sideloading.
I know it's not usually the case for apps that launch automatically when you log in, but it was the case for Spotify.
Unfortunately I cannot prove it to you because it looks like the current installer doesn't do that anymore.
The web is full of people complaining about this issue though:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253860620
Yes, people love to pirate. I'm sure they will own all the games they are running in emulators. As I'm sure there are real good reasons to run Torrent apps on my phone that don't involve piracy.
And yes, we've been sideloading apps for many years. I'll stick with running only apps signed by Apple on iOS.
The point is giving people the choice of using the App Store or go a different route, especially useful for apps like Xbox Game Pass which for some reason Apple does not allow.
Looks like we both bought the same phone knowing exactly what we were getting.
Now you want to change how my phone works so that it's more suitable to your taste?
My point exactly, most people do not have a need for sideloading and that's why everything will stay the same even if Apple adds the ability to sideload, sideloading will only benefit tech savvy people like us.
The ability to stop apps from opening at login and executing in the background is built into macOS just go to settings and prevent Spotify from executing at login, done, there is an option in the app itself to disable that.
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When vulnerabilities show up in app review, they can immediately learn about it and plug it. When a vulnerability shows up in the wild not through the app store it can take months before they even realize it.
As I read through this thread, and many others on the same or corresponding topics, I keep seeing some form of this statement: So you want to change the way my phone works just so you can get something you want? or You want to turn iOS into Android!
iOS and iPadOS have so many features and settings that we elect to turn ON, turn OFF, or just leave the default setting alone. Many we never look at or use. This would be just another one of many many such settings.
If you are concerned over this function, leave is OFF. I would expect Apple to have controls in place that if it is OFF, you as a user are not impacted.
iOS and iPadOS have so many features and settings that we elect to turn ON, turn OFF, or just leave the default setting alone. Many we never look at or use. This would be just another one of many many such settings.
If you are concerned over this function, leave is OFF. I would expect Apple to have controls in place that if it is OFF, you as a user are not impacted.
So, the current state of the App Store?
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That's literally how the iPhone has evolved over the past decade and a half. Peoples' evolving tastes have driven many design changes to the phone and the operating system.
This particular change is even more silly for you to complain about - it isn't going to change how your phone works in any meaningful way unless you personally change how you use it.
You want to turn iOS into what you think it should be. You bought an iPhone knowing what iOS is and isn’t.
Years ago, I wanted OS X to be something that it wasn’t. It wasn’t going to change so I didn’t buy another Mac. Don’t support something that doesn’t fit your needs.
Watch apple make side load apps use a new language that apple will charge 18k a class to learn rofl
Unfortunately it will change the experience of using the phone for me as well.
As soon as it will be possible to do so, many apps will stop being distributed through the App Store to "avoid the Apple tax".
This means that to keep using all the apps and services I'm using now, I'll be forced to:
1) Side load apps from the web or (even worse) through third-party app stores.
2) Use alternative payment processing systems and give my credit card details to possibly shady intermediaries.
3) Manually keep track of active subscriptions of apps sold outside the App Store.
4) Put up with whatever shady business tactics and security risks the developers will come up with (as an example, say goodbye to the convenience and privacy of using "Sign-in with Apple" pretty much on every service that requires an e-mail address to work).
I'm giving you a bunch of real reasons why side loading is gonna make the experience of using the phone worse for everyone.
Can anybody come up with any concrete example of side loading improving the user experience??