It all boils down to the screwy concept of ‘fairness’. The critics can only come up with words like greedy, monopoly, unfair, as if we users have a right to quality merchandise at a price WE determine is fair, not the market. Those same critics have always had the option to move to another platform, to buy less expensive hardware and software. But no, they want to force Apple to comply with THEIR idea of what a fair price/commission is. The really want complete government regulation of price and profit in some imaginary FAIR economic utopia so everyone can afford an iPhone 14 Pro Max no matter their ability to afford one.
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iOS 17 to Support App Sideloading to Comply With European Regulations
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My question exactly. I know, because it WILL happen. Epic and others are driving this. Not you users on this site. So when these companies win, it will happen. And like I keep saying, Epic targeted Google too since it’s more difficult to side load than they think which is WHY this isn’t happening on Android.
People need to realize this. Both iOS AND Android will be changing. I guarantee you some of the people that are jumping up and down about this will change their minds in a few years due to the consequences. But by then it will be too late.
And why should you get what you want? You want government regulation to get what you want? What gives you the right to demand anything from Apple? You prefer Apple’s products but you want them on your terms, not Apple’s? How does this work in a free market economy? Have you not witnessed what happens when government manages an economy?
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Yay, no more running a cable through an external recording device for interviews. That'd indeed be nice. But I see nothing that suggests that sideloaded apps will be more capable than iOS ones - therefore they won't offer an additional attack vector either - unless they deliberately circumvent iOS security measures.
That doesn’t work. I like Xbox more than PlayStation. So can we force Sony to port their exclusives to Xbox? Why can’t I have what I want there?
It’s not up to you to dictate how a company runs. If you like a product, buy it. If you don’t. Don’t. This whole “I want things my way” is a very strange attitude.
I want a lot of things. Doesn’t mean I get to tell multiple companies how to make their products.
- LOL, Microsoft IS NOT a gaming company? Xbox launched in 2002, maybe you can't do math. That was Two Decades ago. Sony is only 8 years longer in the gaming industry. And Windows PC gaming has been around since the original Windows way back in 1985. DirectX is from 1995, 27 years ago.
- Sony is a gaming company, Sony Computer Entertainment (now Sony Interactive Entertainment) was founded in 1993, 29 years ago. Their first product was the Playstation.
- Meta is a gaming company. John Carmack, the creator of Doom, helped contribute to the development of the Oculus. That makes Meta, the owner of Reality Labs, a gaming company. There is no one more associated with gaming than John Carmack.
- Apple's only foray into gaming was the Pippin, and a stalled attempt by Steve Jobs to lure developers to the Mac. An attempt that failed so bad, Microsoft bought Bungie Studios whose Third Person Shooter Halo was redeveloped into a First Person Shooter exclusive to the Xbox. Maybe you have heard of it?
- AppleTV Studios producing Ted Lasso, Martin Scorcese Films, Tom Hanks films, and being nominated for Emmys and Academy Awards does not really lend well to your argument that Apple is not a Film or TV company, either.
- Apple's only real attempt at gaming these days is Apple Arcade, a sad attempt at GamePass that gives mostly small devs a quick access to billions of consumers, but the apps aren't curated well and they have an inconsistent duration on the store. And those games are barebones mobile games, not AAA titles.
That's not what I'm telling you at all. I said nothing of iOS. Do you pay for iOS? I was talking about apps, where most of the time you have a choice of different apps that do the same thing. An app in the App Store is like a product in a grocery store. Don't like the price? Buy it someplace else or don't buy it at all. We all make that choice every time we go.
Think about it. If true, no need for sideloading.
The response to every single one of these is: Then don’t.
That's not editing system files.
I thought Microsoft have put a stop to that this week…
“Microsoft is barring users from running game emulations on the Xbox Series X | S. On Thursday, Twitter user @gamr12, who's involved with the distribution of the RetroArch emulation software on Xbox, posted the error message they received when attempting to launch emulated content”
Then the EU or Canadian models would be very popular.
Also, I’m already sideloading using altstore.
Trade to something that can run iOS 17 then. Can’t make old tech more valuable then it is.
I don’t have any that can’t be updated was just curious would the EU be happy older devices can’t side load
No that's for running unauthorized software in Retail Mode, which is the main Xbox UI in the operating system, and where you run your games and blurays and streaming services. Microsoft made it clear you can still use game emulators on Xbox, but it has to be in Dev Mode, not Retail Mode. The reason being is Dev Mode is sandboxed, Retail Mode is not.
A lot of product categories have technology vendors unable to go back pass certain hardware requirements for updates, can’t imagine some kind of wording that’s not in this EU action that doesn’t clarifies that. The question was interesting.
Then in that case your original point makes no sense without knowing exactly how Apple is going to manage apps that can be side loaded (if they can).
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You mean more like adding a straw to the garden hose. Not sure where you get the idea it would be a firehose. That makes absolutely little sense.
Epic is looking more for something like an Epic App Store app like the OnePlus Store or Samsung Store or .. that you can either install from the App Store or come pre-loaded. They do not want to have to jump through the current Android side-load hoops (if allowed). App Store or Play Store level access instead of F-Droid or stand alone apk. If Epic has their way we would need an App Mall or Play Mall instead of a store or side loading.
JMHO
In that case you are all for the coercion that comes with a company store. That is what we currently have with Apple.