Just to clarify, I would say the US government is also corrupt, and leans socialist as well (and I don’t trust the US government either, in fact, I don’t implicitly trust any government). I wasn’t saying that the EU was necessarily worse than the US, though I think socialist ideas and regulations don’t face quite the same level of pushback as they do in the US. The US is probably headed there though at this rate. Note, this is all my subjective opinion, I think it’s backed up by the facts that I’ve seen, but you can take it or leave it. 👍🏻
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iOS 17 to Support App Sideloading to Comply With European Regulations
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Well then your statement should have been, "On average, the EU placates the highest bidder, they’re a corrupt socialist system, and I don’t trust them on just about anything…", instead of the claptrap you provided.
You think the US leans socialist? My dude, we’re discussing massive American corporate conglomerates (mostly monopolies) here in this part of the thread, you know that, right? You’re talking about the same US that has a far right party, a mostly center-right party with a vaguely left of center progressive wing, and no real left wing party of note, right? That US?
Please define what you think is socialist, because you keep using that word but I think what you really mean is “anything Kal Madda doesnt like”
If I say “a thief steels stuff” is that a claptrap?… Just because I say they engage in a certain kind of behavior, doesn’t mean that’s the only kind of behavior they ever engage in. Your critique here doesn’t make any sense. The way I did say it is no less valid than the way that you’re insisting I should have said it…
First off, the idea that what I mean by “socialist” is “anything I don’t like” is absurd. I don’t like Microsoft, that doesn’t make them socialist…🙄
Second, Socialism advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. This is the kind of philosophy that motivates governments to force company’s to adopt a certain port they believe everyone should have to use, for example, rather than letting the free market decide what port standards succeed and which ones don’t on their own merits or de-merits.
Third, I believe the US government currently leans towards more socialist policies and ideas. Not that all or necessarily even most US citizens or businesses lean socialist, though I would say a lot of US citizens are leaning towards socialist ideas, even if they don’t consciously align themselves with socialism. But to argue that the US is all far-right or centrist is ludicrous. Do you live in the US? Bernie Sanders is a self-avowed socialist, and had lots of support in the Democratic Party. For the record, I also oppose the likes of Donald Trump who are “crony capitalists” and are also picking winners and losers in the market by making back-room deals, etc. But I would definitely argue that the Democratic Party is predominantly Left-wing, perhaps with a few centrists. Painting the Democratic Party as “a mostly center-right party with a vaguely left of center progressive wing” is laughable from an American capitalist perspective… That’s at least my opinion, you don’t have to agree with it, but please at least don’t mischaracterize it.
PS, It should be noted that Left and Right often mean different things in the US than they do in European politics.
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How so? If I say, I drink coffee, does that mean there’s never a time I don’t drink coffee, or drink tea instead? Does the EU ever placate the highest bidder?
Apple in iOS 17 will for the first time allow iPhone users to download apps hosted outside of its official App Store, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.
Otherwise known as sideloading, the change would allow customers to download apps without needing to use the App Store, which would mean developers wouldn't need to pay Apple's 15 to 30 percent fees.
The European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA), which went into effect on November 1, 2022, requires "gatekeeper" companies to open up their services and platforms to other companies and developers.
The DMA will have a big impact on Apple's platforms, and it could result in Apple making major changes to the App Store, Messages, FaceTime, Siri, and more. Apple is planning to implement sideloading support to comply with the new European regulations by next year, according to Gurman.
Apple has claimed that sideloading will "undermine the privacy and security protections" that iPhone users rely on, leaving people vulnerable to malware, scams, data tracking, and other issues. However, Apple must comply with the DMA or it risks fines of as much as 20 percent of its global revenue if the EU laws are violated.
In a December 2022 report Gurman said Apple was considering implementing security requirements such as verification, a process that it could charge a fee for in lieu of collecting money from app sales. Apple has a verification system on Mac that allows users to be safe while giving them access to apps outside of the Mac App Store.
If other countries introduce similar legislation, alternate app stores could expand beyond the European Union. The United States, for example, is considering legislation that would require Apple to allow sideloading.
Article Link: iOS 17 to Support App Sideloading to Comply With European Regulations
I dont think it’s a good idea at all. iOS is the safest mobile os because the apps are verified by apple. Think about it why do you think EU government forces and want side lodging functions on peoples phones so badly that they force it ? If regular people really did want this functionality they wouldn’t by or use iPhones at all. Side loading definitely going to make apple devices more insecure and easier to hack especially by Ai. To protect one’s integrity, safety and privacy in the future people going to need to go back to older type of devices or demand more and use open source devices for communication and data. Newer company locked closed source code devices going to have surveillance tech and ai tech already built in I think and ai going to be used and exploited for bad things to and people going to suffer the consequences.
Ah yes, because iOS has never had compromises and Macs are riddled with viruses 🙄
iOS isnt that safe and there has been plenty of scam apps on the Appstore, Andriod is open source, Apple isn't open sourced (otherwise i would be able to make my own version of iOS if it was, i don't think you understand what open sourced means), Motorola, Samsung, and Sony are all major cell phone manufacturers that make Andriod phones that were around as companies before Apple was even thought of, and Apple doesn't have AI because they are waiting to see if there is a market for AI image enhancing or AI translation on smartphone, considering they waited a decade to add widgets, and 5 years to add wireless charging.
Sideloading is the normal way to install on macOS. Is your computer riddled with AI viruses?
I definitely know what open source means and I also know that the android Os is open source. I don’t think you understood my comment correctly because I commented about apps and side loading on iOS apples devices and that it definitely going to make apple devices more insecure.
The open source Os of android or closed iOS isn’t the big problem. It’s all the apps people install and run on their devices that makes them insecure and the majority of all apps is not open source. Android has much more problems with security than iOS which is well known because of lack of verification on apps, patch gaps and shorter support and update periods of only two years. People without knowing downloading and installing shady third party apps is a problem. iOS overall is absolutely without question more secure than android ex with apple devices you have updates and fast security patching for many years to come 6-8 you have verification of apps for better security in AppStore. Blocking of data tracking, hiding of ip, hiding of mail address and more for user privacy, integrity and security. Even Apples Policy alone that all data is owned by the user is priceless compared to android. Things are obviously changing for iOS side loading is obviously bad for security one part of what apple and its users doesn’t really need.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-data-collection-stored-request/
Are iPhones more secure than Android phones? A guide
Both iPhone and Android boast of continuous security improvements. Find out how they measure across different security factors and which is considered safer.
This is the one reason iPhone still beats Android on security
Android patch gaps put us all at risk
No it’s not yet by my knowledge anyway because I mostly Only use AppStore and I also have side loading turned of on my mobile devices. If using side loading on mac I am forced to do so because needed app doesn’t exists on AppStore.
You can block iPhone sideloading with one simple setting
Apple will let you block iPhone sideloading and third-party app marketplaces in iOS 17.4 with a new parental control setting.
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Absolutely agree with you. This will add a lot of new potential security risks for non-technical people. It’s laughable that these socialist governments are pretending to care about “user choice” or whatever such crap they’re calling it, when, in reality, governments mostly care about gaining and maintaining their own power and interests. The free market offers choices without any government meddling or strong-arming required. If users care so much about side loading, they can buy an Android device that does that. If they care more about a secure system and the benefits that Apple’s ecosystem provides, then they can buy that. That’s called choice. People buy iPhones knowing that they don’t support side loading, because that isn’t their top priority. Customers make the choice to buy the product that has the features they want. But instead, governments are trying to claim that all products must offer every feature that every potential customer wants in the name of “consumer choice”. In reality they’re just taking a choice away from consumers that don’t want all the included security risks of sideloading on their device. Now, instead of being able to choose to go with a more secure system without sideloading, they’re stuck with all options that have the same potential security vulnerability…I definitely know what open source means and I also know that the android Os is open source. I don’t think you understood my comment correctly because I commented about apps and side loading on iOS apples devices and that it definitely going to make apple devices more insecure.
The open source Os of android or closed iOS isn’t the big problem. It’s all the apps people install and run on their devices that makes them insecure and the majority of all apps is not open source. Android has much more problems with security than iOS which is well known because of lack of verification on apps, patch gaps and shorter support and update periods of only two years. People without knowing downloading and installing shady third party apps is a problem. iOS overall is absolutely without question more secure than android ex with apple devices you have updates and fast security patching for many years to come 6-8 you have verification of apps for better security in AppStore. Blocking of data tracking, hiding of ip, hiding of mail address and more for user privacy, integrity and security. Even Apples Policy alone that all data is owned by the user is priceless compared to android. Things are obviously changing for iOS side loading is obviously bad for security one part of what apple and its users doesn’t really need.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-data-collection-stored-request/
Are iPhones more secure than Android phones? A guide
Both iPhone and Android boast of continuous security improvements. Find out how they measure across different security factors and which is considered safer.nordvpn.com
This is the one reason iPhone still beats Android on security
Android patch gaps put us all at riskwww.tomsguide.com
lol, YES. It does make them a thief.
Opinions are great but they aren't facts and something tells me you won't come close to being able to substantiate yours. I mean not even remotely in the same ball park.
So let's look at what, (one of), the things you said;
"The EU placates the highest bidder". I take from that, you mean, "On average, the EU placates the highest bidder".
So you'll need to know how many bids were in how much they were and then demonstrate that the highest one was taken and for what reason.
Gonna go out on a limb, YOU. DO. NOT.
That’s completely irrelevant, because my statement stands even if they only did it once, which, judging by numerous known cases we have of such actions, I believe I’m pretty safe in saying that it’s been more than once. Someone only has to murder one person in order to be considered a murderer, and a thief only needs to steal one time in order to be considered a thief. And I don’t view this placating of the highest bidder as an issue that’s exclusive to the EU, plenty of that happens elsewhere in the world as well, even in the US. But I believe that as countries become more socialist, this kind of behavior and activity increases. I believe there’s plenty of evidence for this assessment when looking at the current geopolitical landscape, and also when you look at history. And it makes logical sense too, when government becomes more involved in picking winners and losers and drafting legislation to control the market, lobbying increases because businesses want government to make legislation that favors them and hurts their competitors. When government stays out of the free market, and doesn’t pick winners and losers via legislation, there’s less reason for lobbying. Sadly, I’d say that even the US no longer is a true free market, because government in the US even has far too much control and creates legislation that favors some companies over others. But it gets far worse when you go full socialist, we’re only part way there. That’s at least my opinion, you’re free to disagree, but I think an examination of history and the current geopolitical landscape bears out my assessment.
If you can't substantiate your claim your statement iOS little more than worthless.
Can you?
The only way my statement doesn’t stand is if you can prove that the EU has never placated the highest bidder. Good luck with that…
Same, if I want to side load apps, I would save myself a lot of money and instead buy an android phone and computer instead.
No fella, the burden of proof is on YOU.
So are you seriously trying to tell me that you believe the EU has NEVER placated the highest bidder? Seems like quite the claim. And no, the burden of evidence for your claim that my statement (backed up by the facts about the massive amount of lobbying that goes on in the EU) is wrong falls on YOU. Just saying “you’re wrong” and not supporting your claim that I’m wrong with any evidence is meaningless.
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What I'm telling you is that YOU made a claim and the burden of proof is therefore on YOU.
"The EU placates the highest bidder, they’re a corrupt, socialist system, and I don’t trust them on just about anything".
Luckily you guys hate socialism so you don't have to worry about getting to our level, no horrors like lower violent crime rates or less homelessness for you
I stated my opinion which is based on publicly available information. Again, unless you believe that the EU has never placated the highest bidder (like they have before with companies like Monsanto and their glyphosate), is never corrupt (I believe all governments are corrupt including my own (but also see Monsanto glyphosate)), and isn’t socialist (very clearly they are socialist), then my statement stands. You have yet to bring a single fact-based objection. And you also keep trying to reframe what I’m saying, earlier in this debate, you claimed I said the EU placated the highest bidder “on average”, which I never said anywhere. You keep trying to shift what you believe I need to “prove”. I don’t need to prove things I never said.
