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kirbysmartsdawg

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13 pro. It was very reasonable even being 3 years old. I could get up to 6 hours screen on time easy. 8 if I pushed it with tweaking some settings.

Wow, so pretty much what I thought. Our expectations aren’t extreme at all. I totally get the phone losing battery while using it, but the drain while idle is the problem. A 3-year-old iPhone shouldn’t be outpacing a brand-new one.
 
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jonhoy

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This is bad, right…? Really don’t feel like I’ve used my phone all that much today. I haven’t hit <20% at all from launch in 2023 until last week. All that overnight activity is Photos. 15 Pro running 18.0.1.
 

ManuCH

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On my M4 iPad Pro 11", I notice around 10% battery drain per 24 hours if it's just sitting there doing (apparently) absolutely nothing (with cellular turned on). When I say "nothing" I mean "2 minutes screen on time, 1 minute screen off time".

But: I think those usage statistics are incorrect. I have a lot of apps getting notifications which then do some background refresh (like Telegram downloading messages when it gets a notification). For some weird reason, these activities don't add up in my SOT values. I have some very active Telegram groups with notifications on, and it simply cannot be that the screen off time of Telegram downloading those messages only adds up to 1 minute screen off time over 24 hours. Indeed, the battery usage screen shows that 78% of the drain over those 24 hours was due to Telegram (which would be correct). But no racked up minutes of screen off time, which is wrong.

My theory is that we do have a lot of background usage (be it legitimate or lot) that is not being counted in the statistics.

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coolfactor

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I’m getting horrible battery life with my new 16 Pro Max. I upgraded from a 15 Pro Max - upgraded to iOS 18 and with battery health of 99% when I sold it. With Apple quoting better battery life spec for the 16 I was excited to see how much more run time I would get. The answer? I now get 50 to 60% of time between charges vs what I got with my 1 year old 15 Pro Max. Really disappointing. All Settings the same including background refresh globally disabled, screen max refresh set to 60Hz and data locked to 4G (because for my use I see absolutely no difference in how my phone functions when I set all those settings so I might as well set them for optimal battery life). I got my 16PM on launch day so it’s 19 days old now; any early days indexing and other background setup stuff should be well and truly over by now.

Is 5G available to you? Surely it would be the more efficient option? Your observation of how well 4G and 5G compare is not really a scientific analysis. Maybe 5G is too spotty in your area?

Curious to learn why you think 4G is best for you, as it's now older tech.
 

ManuCH

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In my experience it seems like the battery continues to drain at a constant speed regardless of what I’m doing. Pretty much exactly 4%/hour. That could be reading on safari, streaming or offline Apple Music, watching a show (live, streaming, or offline), or having the phone in airplane mode with AOD, WiFi and Bluetooth off. feels like there should be some difference in battery drain between those different tasks.

Sometimes it’s higher than 4% if I’m really pushing it on cell or asking something demanding of the phone. But that makes sense to me. I’m asking more of the phone and expect a hit.

Possibly a hardware issue? My experience is in software so that’s always my first guess for the root cause. But for those of you with hardware knowledge, could it be hardware?

I’m on a 16pro. Forgot to mention that. FB15465048 If anyone at apple reads these threads

That's also something I noticed. Battery drain seems to be constant, no matter what I do. I am actually satisfied by the drain rate, as it's way better on my 16PM than it was on the 15PM. I guess cellular being active and the phone being carried around, keeping its connection to the Apple Push Notification Server, all the stuff it does, just has a background drain that cannot just be stopped. Even in airplane mode, it will still have the background processes running trying to connect to places. You can see that if you connect the iPhone to Xcode and open the console log. It's constantly doing tons of stuff, and that's not "free".

To me, it looks more and more like there is also a serverside "problem" (?) involved.

I didn't change any settings on my 15 Pro, also my usage is basically the same (Mo to Fr). (Apps have been updated, so this is a variable in my observation)
However, since 2 days, it seems the battery lasts longer for about 15-25 % (not battery%, just lifetime with a charge).
I'm observing about the same with my Apple Watch, it lasts about 30 % longer (also lifetime with one charge, not battery%).

I noticed that as well! With the exact same usage, from one day to another, drain can change drastically. It seems like Apple sometimes tries to tweak server-side settings on some iCloud services, changing some polling intervals, idle timeouts and whatnot, and that's probably enough to affect battery usage. And this is in sync on all my devices: if they start using more or less battery, they do it all concurrently.

I'm convinced that battery drain is the result of apps circumventing background app refresh being turned off.

I agree! And also a result of background app refresh not being reported properly in the battery usage statistics (see my previous post).
 
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huanbrother

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I guess this could be worse. Haven’t really used my phone all that much, so I don’t think this is super impressive either. Also, since this is a measure of the last 24 hours, I am not sure how we actually calculate SOT. That was just since 3:25pm yesterday, and I charged the battery in that time.

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When reporting SoT, I would manually add up each hour's SoT starting from the bar which I unplugged the phone, not quoting from Apple's own statistics.

BTW: Made a report in Feedback regarding the power drain as well. Good to know that there are ">10" cases.
 

kirbysmartsdawg

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When reporting SoT, I would manually add up each hour's SoT starting from the bar which I unplugged the phone, not quoting from Apple's own statistics.

BTW: Made a report in Feedback regarding the power drain as well. Good to know that there are ">10" cases.
Seems like a reasonable approach. I have started to look at screen time as well.

Hopefully this starts picking up traction for Apple to figure it out.
 
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rob2bob

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For me I have isolated my battery drain in idle by experimenting... when my Apple Watch is on, my iPhone 16 drains 1% an hour. With it switched off (not a permanent solution lol!) I have zero drain. Bluetooth connection surely should not be draining like this?
 
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Sushb

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Has anyone tried a factory rest and restore from iCloud to see if it helps with battery drain before I try and do this myself?
 

kirbysmartsdawg

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Several of us have noticed that our feedback is listed that “more than 10 people with similar feedback”.. Additionally, we’ve seen Apple access our diagnosis logs on our phones in the past few days. Hopefully, Apple is working on this issue, and we can expect a fix in the full release of iOS 18.1, or at least in iOS 18.1.1.
 
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mg51015bb

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Battery has been terrible on both my 15p and 16p. Just a constant drain throughout the day. I feel like I can’t use the phone or else it’s going to run out.

I had the Pixel 9 for a week and battery was significantly better on that device. My SO is noticing the same poor battery on their new phone and they are coming from a 3 year old 13 PM.
 
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lleial

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Battery is such a joke.

5th day since I wiped and installed fresh version of iOS 18.0.1

It gets worse each day.

I guess I'll have to carry chargers and battery packs with me everywhere.

Don't mind Thursday, I realized I had background apps enabled and thought disabling it would help, but def. not.

once again this is the iPhone 14 Pro with iOS 18.0.1 and battery health at 92% as per Coconut Battery.

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TheNukie

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Battery life seems great on my iPhone 16 PM (iOS 18.0.1)
+7hrs of SoT since I unplugged it from the charger and still 60% left using only WiFi.
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michalw2

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You think this is anything new?
We see these articles every year and with every new iOS version.
I think its not unusual for early releases of new major versions to contains more bugs then later releases.
However I’m only concern how much time and how many releases were needed for finally battery life become well optimized in iOS 17.
From my experience of user of old iPhone 11 (at the time) I can tell that battery usage finally improved and it was noticeable but it happened just several past releases of iOS 17 (counting back from most recent 17.7).
During the lifespan of iOS 17 Apple was focused VisionOS not to mention regular focus on working on new features.
Well, with iOS 18 the history might repeat itself, as Apple is now heavily focused on Apple Intelligence, so we might have to wait quite some time before things will get better.
 
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