Sorry if it came off like I was talking about others here in this thread, but I wasn’t saying people in this thread were acting that way, I was talking about some people elsewhere who literally come off that way to me with how out of whack they are acting, even making up claims out of thin air with no evidence like claiming the features never existed when we have plenty of reasons to believe they do exist and are actually in development. And I wasn’t saying they couldn’t react that way, I just voiced my frustration with the way some in tech media and such have acted over this. 👍🏻
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Nah man you are like blindly defending Apple then act like you’re better than the people who are upset, I’m pretty sure you mentioned you don’t even have an iPhone that is capable of AI so how are you gonna act like it’s no big deal and Apple should get a pass?
Saying it’s better for us that they delay and improve the features than rush them out in a poor state isn’t “blindly defending Apple”. And I understand why some people are upset and disappointed, I don’t think I’m better than them. I’m merely pointing out that I think some are way overreacting over this, especially when they start making up claims out of thin air with zero evidence like “the features never existed”, or are “vaporware”, etc. Making up claims with no evidence because you’re upset isn’t right. (To clarify, I’m not saying you are, but others are doing that, and that’s a lot of what I’m criticizing). It would be like me claiming Microsoft tortures poodles in their HQ because I don’t like Microsoft. There’s just absolutely zero evidence for the “vaporware” claims, and plenty of good evidence that the features do exist and are in development, like all of the reports from Gurman about their development and other sources have said for months.
My iPad and Mac support Apple Intelligence, and I use it regularly. The enhanced Siri capabilities are the biggest Apple Intelligence features I’ve been looking forward to, so yes, I’m disappointed. But I also understand that sometimes last minute issues arise with software development, that’s just how it sometimes shakes out.
I’m sure all of us at some point have run into a situation where unforeseen issues arise and either prevented us from finishing a job we were working on, or caused a delay. Do you prefer it when someone responds in an understanding way and is patient with you, or do you prefer when someone chews you out for finishing the project late?
All of us could appreciate being “given a pass” from time to time…
And in my opinion, this actually demonstrates that Apple ultimately cares more about the user experience than avoiding some backlash. Rather than rollout less reliable versions of these features which would cause issues and confusion for consumers, they’re taking a hit with media backlash so they can improve the features and release a better product for their customers. I actually think that’s commendable, they could have taken the easy path out like lesser companies, but they chose the consumer over avoiding some “scandal”…
I don’t have an issue defending the engineers but someone at Apple screwed up and there’s no denying it. Maybe it’s marketing, maybe upper management, idk. But the messaging was misleading and I don’t care how many footnotes they put when the main focus of the entire ad was showing the delayed feature to try and get you to buy a new phone. Another example is the Apple Store when they decorated it in the new Siri UI, like a month before 18.1 came out? People who bought the new phone have a right to be upset, saying get a grip is pretty strong language, this actually is a very big deal for Apple as a company and someone will have to answer for it. You want to defend the engineers fine.
Not saying I agree with them but people aren’t making up out of thin air that the features maybe didn’t actually exist. It’s definitely not unheard of or a stretch of the imagine that companies have used video effects to demo a feature that isn’t ready yet.
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The annual cadence doesn’t work annymore and the keynote announcements with large bento boxes of features need to stop. Apple doesn’t need to change the paradigm of mobile every year. Don’t use software as a way to sell phones. Phones should sell based on their hardware improvements. The whole June-September time period with Apple is like crunch culture in video game development. Just release things when they are ready.
I think Apple would be much better off if they could do something like Pixel quarterly updates or Windows’ twice a year updates instead. Announce a few features with a video, beta test for a couple months, give web-based training to developers so they can stay on top of the changes, and release. Then take a couple weeks off and start again.
I think Apple would be much better off if they could do something like Pixel quarterly updates or Windows’ twice a year updates instead. Announce a few features with a video, beta test for a couple months, give web-based training to developers so they can stay on top of the changes, and release. Then take a couple weeks off and start again.
I don’t know that I agree with that, but I understand the sentiment. 👍🏻. Personally, I didn’t have any problems with the ads, they said all over the adds and pages for the features that these features weren’t currently available and would be available in a future update. I think most people knew that Apple was highlighting a future feature that would be available on their phones, not a feature that was already available. But that’s just my opinion, I respect that other people disagree.
Also, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with decorating the Apple Store with references to an upcoming feature or product a month in advance. Is it wrong when Apple tells us about new iPhones, iPads, MacBooks, etc. a week or two before they’re available to order, and post whole product “learn more” pages for them right at the top of the store? I think citing that as “misleading” is a bit too strong…
Personally, I don’t see how we could call it anything other than making such claims up out of thin air. I’ve seen people confidently making such claims as if they’re facts (not stating it as a possibility, but as a certainty), when there is no evidence to support these claims, and several points of evidence against them. Like the months worth of reports about their development progress from Gurman’s cited sources, plus others who claimed to have seen the features in development. There’s no fact or evidence based reason to assume these claims that Apple didn’t really intend to release the features, yet some people are stating them as if they’re facts when they aren’t. And let’s just examine that claim for a second. What sense would that make for Apple? So you make up a feature that you aren’t actually developing and planning on releasing to customers, you advertise a product with it, and then what? When the feature doesn’t ever arrive, that’s going to hurt your credibility and result in you selling less products in the future. Short term you might gain a few sales, but long term there’s no win. This smells like a conspiracy theory, there is just no point. And if this was just a cynical money grab from Apple, and Apple doesn’t really care about how these features work, then why would they delay releasing them to improve them? Why wouldn’t they just release the 3/4 finished feature set and say “there you go, it may not always function like in the adds, but there’s a chance it could”… 🤷🏼♂️.
I think the much more plausible explanation is that Apple does intend on rolling out these features, and that they were genuinely excited about them when they announced them at WWDC24. That they are in development, but have just run into some setbacks requiring a delay to fix them. That’s the explanation that aligns with all of the evidence we do have, and that makes the most logical sense. That’s at least my opinion, YMMV…
PS, perhaps parts of that comment like “get a grip” were a bit harsh or too strong, but I was not referring to people who are just upset/disappointed about the delay, there are plenty of people and content creators who are upset about it but don’t come off as unhinged or out of whack over it, I was talking mostly about some people and content creators who are going ballistic and come as irrational over this and making claims as if they’re facts when they aren’t. 👍🏻. I was meaning to vent and express my frustration with such irrational behavior to a sympathetic audience, not making claims about all who are disappointed or upset about the delay, because that would include myself… 👍🏻
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Some of us actually like the yearly update cycle and the bento boxes…
Yeah, but it’s supposed to be an announcement for developers. And if Apple internally can’t keep up, how can small app developers? It would be much more manageable for everyone in smaller chunks, with no (or, at least, moveable) deadline expectations. It just feels unsustainable as-is. Software only gets more complicated as a platform ages and new features are introduced. Hence all the people asking for the “Snow Leopard” of iOS releases. I don’t think they should take a year off for bug fixes, but they should take a slower pace (and perhaps more focused) at development overall.
Do you disagree with what exactly? Your justification confirms my speculation: they had planned to gradually modify the system interface and its apps, as they were doing. But seeing the disaster that Apple Intelligence is proving to be in terms of feature delivery times, they've moved much of that redesign they surely planned to complete in subsequent versions of iOS to iOS 19. It seems we'll see zero new features in the Apple Intelligence department.
They’re already doing that though with the yearly update cycle. Not all of the features announced at WWDC are incorporated in the first version of that iOS update. They usually release over the course of that iOS cycle, more spaced out. But having the yearly update announcement and bento box is much better in my opinion than what Windows does. Windows updates are so confusing, and uninteresting. Android is the same, more meh. I like the way Apple does their OS announcements, and I hope it doesn’t change.
I don't think it's realistic to move up a system-wide redesign on multiple operating systems at the snap of a finger. It'd be more likely that it was originally planned for iOS 18 and got pushed back to focus on AI.
To get really speculative it could also have been planned for iOS 19 the whole time. It was 6 years until the first redesign in iOS 7, and iOS 19 will be 12 years since 7, exactly double. iOS 13 (which was 6 years in) also technically had a system-wide design change by adding dark mode. It could be a pattern.
I don't think @Kal Madda is blindly defending someone ...
If you want to see someone fighting for Apple - and as his Devils Advocate role became only clear at the end of the episode - for which he got quiet "some" feedback ... you need to watch the latest MacRumors Show with Dan & Hartley.
Poor Dan
.... seems not only Apple Intelligence was under fire - he took a decent amount of too 
The MacRumors Show: Apple Intelligence Comes Under Fire
On this week's episode of The MacRumors Show, we talk about Apple's recent announcement that several of its most highly anticipated Apple...
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I get that Apple would rather be best than first. But I wish they would’ve wait to announce Apple Intelligence until they at least have a working alpha version of all the features, not just a concept. I’m not annoyed by them taking a long time. I’m annoyed that they announced it way too soon. And they made it the main selling point of a flagship phone.
Any speculation on what, if anything new, is going to be in 18.5 after the Apple Intelligence delay? I think all that's left of the roadmap is more languages like Vietnamese. There was also the rumored Gemini integration that someone spotted a reference to in code. Any other rumored features that wouldn't just be saved for 19.0 at this point?
Battery intelligence would be nice.
Som say its holiday in America today
It's St. Partick's Day -- just a day to eat corned beef and cabbage and drink green beer.
I don’t know that St. Patrick’s Day is usually an off day for Apple. It could be, I guess we’ll see, but with any luck, we might get a new beta today! 👍🏻. ☘️☘️☘️
Well they can't do it tomorrow when there's a very important holiday.
