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Especially with WWDC ‘s OS revamp, particularly look and feel of something new seems way more appealing.
Historically speaking, though, what "new" features were brought in this late in the game while testing the next release? Usually at this point and during the summer, betas for the current release are basically placeholders for any needed security & bug fixes. Which is fine!
 
Historically speaking, though, what "new" features were brought in this late in the game while testing the next release? Usually at this point and during the summer, betas for the current release are basically placeholders for any needed security & bug fixes. Which is fine!
Sure, and that is a fair point. Though, I will point out, iOS 18 has already broken the mold of “past years” in several different ways. While looking to the past for indicators of future releases is very useful, and I tend to agree there likely won’t be big major features in later iOS 18 updates, it is possible we could be surprised and Apple could drop bigger features in a later iOS 18. 👍🏻
 
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Sure, and that is a fair point. Though, I will point out, iOS 18 has already broken the mold of “past years” in several different ways. While looking to the past for indicators of future releases is very useful, and I tend to agree there likely won’t be big major features in later iOS 18 updates, it is possible we could be surprised and Apple could drop bigger features in a later iOS 18. 👍🏻
Seems more like Apple could be viewing iOS 18 internally as a failure, wanting to just move on. Rumors of very little to no talk of Siri at this year's WWDC and more rumors of infighting over how things have been handled.. Then the rumor of Apple saying internally they're not going to be announcing so many new features due to them failing on the follow thru...

Considering all devices that support iOS 18 will also support iOS 19,I'd assume that iOS 18 will be left out to pasture...
 
Especially with WWDC ‘s OS revamp, particularly look and feel of something new seems way more appealing. This years intelligence agenda was unexciting to say the very least. It’s like the movie symbolism of just staring trying to stay interested instead of dozing off. ;)

When OS announcements feel exciting, you are standing too close to the Reality Distortion Field. You can tell if you have any older silver amalgam tooth fillings, because it makes them vibrate. :)
 
I will throw out for conversation that 17.5.1 came out one week after 17.5. So I wouldn’t be surprised to see a 18.5.1 over the next week or so. I’m sure there is a security bug somewhere to fix.
 
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Well you do have the month+ long period where their isn’t any public betas of iOS 19. Seems they are stalling any 18.6 until after WWDC.
Yeah, just because we'll see iOS 19 soon, doesn't mean it'll be in a good place yet for folks to try. Usually beta 4 is a good jump on point. And don't forget to make an Archived Backup!
 
Yeah, just because we'll see iOS 19 soon, doesn't mean it'll be in a good place yet for folks to try. Usually beta 4 is a good jump on point. And don't forget to make an Archived Backup!
That’s why I utilize and recommend Carbon Copy Cloner 7. It is usually supportive of brand new MacOS developers seeds way before Superduper provides any support. ;)
 
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Well you do have the month+ long period where their isn’t any public betas of iOS 19. Seems they are stalling any 18.6 until after WWDC.
Who said you have to wait for public beta? I have always jumped on the first developer beta. NEVER had any issues I can't live with until next beta
 
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Who said you have to wait for public beta? I have always jumped on the first developer beta. NEVER had any issues I can't live with until next beta
The majority of community still waits for public betas instead of last year’s surprise of not having to pay for developers access after implementing Apple ID requirements for installing developer seeds. Using terminal for installing the developer seeds is gone now. ;)
 
The majority of community still waits for public betas instead of last year’s surprise of not having to pay for developers access after implementing Apple ID requirements for installing developer seeds. Using terminal for installing the developer seeds is gone now. ;)
That change actually came the year before last with iOS 17. I’ve been on the developer betas with a free developer account since 17. 👍🏻. But yeah, I think most non-developers wait until Public Beta. 👍🏻
 
That change actually came the year before last with iOS 17. I’ve been on the developer betas with a free developer account since 17. 👍🏻. But yeah, I think most non-developers wait until Public Beta. 👍🏻
I stand corrected, you’re right it was the year before. Still as we both know most people prefer not chance their macOS environment due to banking and other specialized software breaking because it isn’t worth losing those working. Some software developers might not release a compatible update with macOS 16 for several months. This is usually resolved by the wait and see game with software support news.
 
Wondering out loud if we will see an 18.5.1 release prior to WW and the later to come 18.6 build.

In the past I've normally installed the first new IOS developer build after ww and getting excited about changes and new features to test, but this year I may mange to keep my 16pm on ios 18 with testing limited to my 15, and maybe my XSM, which is most likely to remain left on ios 18x as it likely gets dropped.
 
If Gurman was right about 18.6 being a build mostly for China Apple Intelligence, I don't anticipate any betas before June 9th. At this point I believe the 18.6 beta has some of the same underlying tech as iOS 19 and therefore will be released at the same time. If 19.0 has the ability to choose your AI agent for Siri handoff (ChatGPT, Gemini, etc.) then Apple would want to announce that before using similar under-the-hood changes to swap ChatGPT for DeepSeek in 18.6 beta. (Otherwise, 18.6 code might somehow leak the feature early?) There may be other bugfixes and security updates in 18.6 beta that might not be present in the first 19.0 beta just due to timing, but it will probably be pretty minimal.
 
The majority of community still waits for public betas instead of last year’s surprise of not having to pay for developers access after implementing Apple ID requirements for installing developer seeds. Using terminal for installing the developer seeds is gone now. ;)
I actually think the opposite of you. I think mot of this community actually do install the developer beta's
 
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