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iOS 19 Speculation Thread
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Just cuz you hate using Windows or MS software doesn't mean all they do is crap. Both Apple and MS (and Android for that matter) has pros and cons. MS does support older hardware a lot longer than Apple do, and for a company that claims to be "green" and care for the environment it just makes sense to support devices a lot longer.
When it comes to the bizarre fetish to release a new OS every year and with that, put an end to fully functional devices that could live on a lot longer, it needs to stop. Noone benetifts from piles of electronic waste and these days its crucial to get security updates.
In my opinion Microsoft’s stuff is crap. That’s my opinion.
Apple supports their hardware plenty long enough, Most people don’t use their phones beyond 6-7 years. Heck, on average, people upgrade every 2-3 years. So 6-7 years of support is more than enough, and the hardware itself will likely be irrelevant by 7 years. Besides, the phone doesn’t automatically stop working after it’s off support for new versions. Any critical security updates are typically added to older iOS versions even after 2-3 years, so for critical security updates, iPhones often get more like 8-9 years of those.
You will never convince me that it’s a good idea to stop releasing yearly software version updates…
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I don't post here to convince you or anyone else, there's no benefit in that. If I could convince Apple to continue to support devices that would be another story. There heaps of old phones out there out of support that are still being used where users would benefit from getting security updates. And these days its more important than ever have devices updated.
If you look at MacOS the situation is even worse when it comes to support compared to MS Windows. For the money we pay supporting older devices with updates shouldn't be an issue. And looking at the people that use Macs, they seem to keep their old Macs forever (good quality).
The reason for the annual OS update is that it allows Apple to announce hardware as well software improvements at a faster rate then windows and becomes much more marketable with the press’s attention then windows and its nothing schedule except sometime in 2025. Android support by windows subsystem is ending soon.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/258...end-of-life-in-2025-heres-what-to-expect.html
that is the latest but notice how MS justifies its need to upgrade. They do it to purposely force new pc hardware sales if yours is only capable of Windows 10 and not hardware compatible, how is this a better way of marketing then Apples free OS bundling?
They do support devices for a very long time. Most older “unsupported” iPhones that are still out there still are receiving critical security updates when needed. They just don’t get new features because the hardware doesn’t support it. And I think the number of people who would still be using an iPhone that old would be very few and far between. Most Android phones would be long dead in about half that time… Besides, as @Realityck pointed out, Microsoft actually just cut off support to a ton of Windows PCs with Windows 11 with a ton of hardware requirements that basically mean it has to have been built around 2019 or newer. Windows 11 came out in 2021, so that’s very poor hardware support, basically if you bought a pre-2019 Windows laptop without the generation of chip Windows 11 requires, or a stupid TPM chip which many laptops didn’t ship with until around that time or even more recent, then you are out of luck and stuck on Windows 10. Apple supports their hardware longer than that. Their software released this year (not 4 years ago in 2021) still supports Macs from 2018.
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Microsoft’s software roadmap really isn’t that different from Apple or Google or anyone else. The only difference is they just don’t change the number every year.
iOS/macOS “updates” at WWDC (and Android updates on a smaller scale at I/O) are just “here’s what we plan to release in the next year”, and that’s really how MS does it too.
I would be much happier with Pixel-style quarterly feature drops than a big event in June for features that aren't coming until April. Announce a set of features via a video, beta test for 2 months, release, repeat.
Hmm, not really for me ... like the chill awaiting the Beta to drop ...
iOS 25H2 doesn't sound as nice as iOS 19.
I could be wrong here, but isn’t Microsoft ending support for Windows 10 at the end of this year?
And doesn’t windows 11 require a computer made after 2017 or some system requirement like that?
Doesn’t really seem that different from Apple, who were still releasing security updates for 2012 machines in 2023.
Once again, where?
Apple was still releasing security updates for 2015 and earlier machines… last year.
Meanwhile, after the end of this year, Windows will only be officially supported on (basically) 2018 machines with Intel eighth generation or newer.
The latest version of macOS Sequoia runs on the 2017 iMac Pro, and will receive at least the next 2 1/2 years of security updates.
Meanwhile, a Windows computer from 2017 might possibly become less secure and no longer receive updates by the end of this year.
I think Apple and Microsoft timeline for Support is a lot more similar than people would like to admit.
I also have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to old iPhones, Apple literally has the longest support for old phones on the market.
iOS 18 still runs on the seven year old XS and XR.
The 2017 iPad Pro received a security update… eight days ago.
Oct 25, 2025. Windows 11 arrived Oct 5, 2021. Windows 12 second half of 2025.
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Yes, and it’s actually even worse than that. Most Windows 11 compatible computers would have to have been made in 2019 due to the chip requirements, and Windows 11 came out in 2021! So if you had a computer that was only like 3-4 years old, it would likely be incompatible with Windows 11. And sure, Microsoft has technically continued supporting Windows 10, but pretty much just security updates. And they are indeed cutting support for users on Windows 10 this year, if you want support for longer, you’ll have to pay for a subscription. Meanwhile, Apple is still supporting 2018 Macs with macOS Sequoia, including new features in macOS Sequoia that don’t require M-Series chips. So essentially Microsoft’s update from 4 years ago officially cut support for most 2018 Windows computers, while Apple is still officially supporting hardware from that same 2018 year 4 years later! And when critical security updates are needed, Apple tends to release these security updates even to older versions of their OSes, so if you want to go off purely security updates, Apple supports those for much longer than even the yearly feature updates. So basically on one hand you have like 3 years worth of feature updates before you’re cut off support by Windows 11 if you bought a Windows laptop in 2018, vs if you bought a Mac in 2018, you’re still getting the latest feature updates, and you will likely get critical security updates for many more years beyond that. So it looks like Apple products actually get far better support now than Windows… 👍🏻
Yes gone will be the last vestige of 32 bit computing that windows 10 represents.
Windows 11 does not have a 32-bit version; it is only available in a 64-bit version. This means that devices running a 32-bit operating system cannot upgrade to Windows 11.
MacOS no longer supports 32-bit applications starting with macOS Catalina (10.15). The last version to support 32-bit apps was macOS Mojave (10.14), so users need to upgrade their apps to 64-bit or use workarounds like virtual machines to run older software.
Then we have windows for Arm that they utilize
I got news for you, this time next year iOS 20 will be coming. Don't tell anyone though.
You can look in the future?! Will I get a BF next year?
One thing I think would be really cool would be if Apple added SlideOver into Stage Manager. SlideOver is such a cool feature for quickly pulling out things like messaging apps, and could be really interesting when paired with the Stage Manager paradigm. 👍🏻. I actually thought it would be interesting to incorporate Slide Over on macOS when I first moved to working on my iPad. 👍🏻
I’d like to see iPhone mirroring come to more devices.
iPad and Vision Pro come to mind, I don’t even have a Vision Pro but being able to control your iPhone from within visionOS just makes sense.
Pick up your phone, go to unlock it and the interface just lifts off the phone into your space, no reason to look through the blurry cameras at it when the interface can just appear natively in software at full resolution.
Even cooler if there is even a slight amount of truth to the iPhone interface becoming more glassy and visionOS like.
iPad and Vision Pro come to mind, I don’t even have a Vision Pro but being able to control your iPhone from within visionOS just makes sense.
Pick up your phone, go to unlock it and the interface just lifts off the phone into your space, no reason to look through the blurry cameras at it when the interface can just appear natively in software at full resolution.
Even cooler if there is even a slight amount of truth to the iPhone interface becoming more glassy and visionOS like.
Yeah, this is one of the things I would really like to see come to iPadOS 19! 👍🏻. That, or at least AirPlay Receiver would be very useful. 👍🏻
Other random things I want:
LLM implemented into Spotlight/search throughout the operating system. I know this sounds ridiculous, but Apple has natural search in Photos, Apple Music and Apple TV. They also added an entire support LLM into Siri with iOS 18, that can answer a bunch of questions on how to do functions of your Apple device.
So the fact if you go into settings and type “Crossfade” into the search bar and are met with “no results”? Huh? The setting is literally called “Crossfade”, there is absolutely no reason it shouldn’t be able to find it.
Boot chime on the iPad, Apple Watch and HomePod. The iPhone received a boot chime in iOS 17, it’s the iPads turn, and everything else. It’s not just a fun goofy thing, it’s an actual accessibility feature. Auditory feedback on boot is very useful.
Journal, Sports, etc apps across all of their operating systems. There really is absolutely no reason for any app to be iPhone only anymore.
“Type To Siri” and “Spotlight” to be combined into one user interface. This especially makes sense over on the Mac, where Spotlight used to have natural search. Might as well just combine both. I use Spotlight as an app launcher sometimes, I use Siri as an app launcher, both spotlight and Siri can do calculations and Weather… They literally should not be different.
Redesigned AirPlay and SharePlay UI and experience. I usually don’t experience that many significant bugs on iOS, but if there is one area of the operating system that has pretty consistently caused every iPhone I’ve had to start lagging and acting up, it’s the AirPlay platter. It just never seems to be working at 100%, sometimes it’s just really slow, sometimes I’ll only want to connect to one device and it’ll connect to an entire group of them and then it’s impossible to ungroup them, it’s just a mess. And every non-technical person I know hates it too.
The ability to have the control center take up the entire screen on iPad. Maybe not by default but it really would be nice to have an entire panel of settings across the entire large screen of the iPad.
Some type of interactive status bar on the iPad. Not necessarily the same as the menu bar on the Mac, but something more useful than what exists up there right now, which is just the time, signal and battery.
Ability to set up priority device to be notified when an application is installed on more than one device. Basically, end the nightmare of my phone, watch, Mac and iPad all making as much noise as possible whenever any app sends me a notification. Obviously, if I’m using my phone and I have my iPad locked and far away from me and I get a text, the iPad doesn’t also need to play a sound if the iPhone already has. Likewise, if I receive a phonecall, only one device needs to ring and it’s the one that’s either closest by or currently in use. Sure, have the notification silently pop up, but there is no reason I need to have four different ringtones on four different devices going at the exact same time. The devices should be smart enough to know which one needs to actually ring.
LLM implemented into Spotlight/search throughout the operating system. I know this sounds ridiculous, but Apple has natural search in Photos, Apple Music and Apple TV. They also added an entire support LLM into Siri with iOS 18, that can answer a bunch of questions on how to do functions of your Apple device.
So the fact if you go into settings and type “Crossfade” into the search bar and are met with “no results”? Huh? The setting is literally called “Crossfade”, there is absolutely no reason it shouldn’t be able to find it.
Boot chime on the iPad, Apple Watch and HomePod. The iPhone received a boot chime in iOS 17, it’s the iPads turn, and everything else. It’s not just a fun goofy thing, it’s an actual accessibility feature. Auditory feedback on boot is very useful.
Journal, Sports, etc apps across all of their operating systems. There really is absolutely no reason for any app to be iPhone only anymore.
“Type To Siri” and “Spotlight” to be combined into one user interface. This especially makes sense over on the Mac, where Spotlight used to have natural search. Might as well just combine both. I use Spotlight as an app launcher sometimes, I use Siri as an app launcher, both spotlight and Siri can do calculations and Weather… They literally should not be different.
Redesigned AirPlay and SharePlay UI and experience. I usually don’t experience that many significant bugs on iOS, but if there is one area of the operating system that has pretty consistently caused every iPhone I’ve had to start lagging and acting up, it’s the AirPlay platter. It just never seems to be working at 100%, sometimes it’s just really slow, sometimes I’ll only want to connect to one device and it’ll connect to an entire group of them and then it’s impossible to ungroup them, it’s just a mess. And every non-technical person I know hates it too.
The ability to have the control center take up the entire screen on iPad. Maybe not by default but it really would be nice to have an entire panel of settings across the entire large screen of the iPad.
Some type of interactive status bar on the iPad. Not necessarily the same as the menu bar on the Mac, but something more useful than what exists up there right now, which is just the time, signal and battery.
Ability to set up priority device to be notified when an application is installed on more than one device. Basically, end the nightmare of my phone, watch, Mac and iPad all making as much noise as possible whenever any app sends me a notification. Obviously, if I’m using my phone and I have my iPad locked and far away from me and I get a text, the iPad doesn’t also need to play a sound if the iPhone already has. Likewise, if I receive a phonecall, only one device needs to ring and it’s the one that’s either closest by or currently in use. Sure, have the notification silently pop up, but there is no reason I need to have four different ringtones on four different devices going at the exact same time. The devices should be smart enough to know which one needs to actually ring.
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